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Phaelax
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Posted: 2nd May 2011 05:49
It's all over the news, his body is in U.S. hands.
I'm still trying to hear what happened exactly, if it was us or another group got him.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 05:56
Damn it. I was just about to post it.

Unfortunately, though this is a mystery solved, there is still someone out there who has taken up his rank.

I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.
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10 days ago, US aircraft went on a bombin run in Pakistan. Ground troops found his body and transported it to the states, where they did DNA tests. It is now confirmed that it is him. President Obama is going to announce this to the country in the coming minutes
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Where did we get his DNA to begin with?

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We compared it to his dead sister, whos body the Us has
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Posted: 2nd May 2011 06:49
Actually; a Special Forces Team was directed to the compound he was in, raided it and killed him in a fire-fight. Then they seized his body and transported it back. No U.S. Personnel were injured. It's a great day!

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 06:54
Quote: "10 days ago, US aircraft went on a bombin run in Pakistan. Ground troops found his body and transported it to the states, where they did DNA tests. It is now confirmed that it is him. President Obama is going to announce this to the country in the coming minutes"

Where on Earth did you hear that from lol? That is far from what happened.

Like Keith said, it was a firefight.

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Doh, posted my thread first, but I posted it in WIP board by accident somehow. Anyhow. It's about time! I wanna see the body though.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 07:19
Oh great... now who are we going to blame for all our problems?

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Quote: "Oh great... now who are we going to blame for all our problems?"

Just start up a poll, and we'll pick someone.

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@RedneckRambo

That was the story just before Obama gave his speech
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not meaning to be a deuche, but i stopped caring about him ages ago..
Good for you guys, i guess..


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Posted: 2nd May 2011 07:55
Quote: "hat was the story just before Obama gave
his speech"

That doesn't make sense to me... he was killed by a special forces team raiding a compound.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 08:08
Man,
I would given my left.. uh.. eye?.. to have been there for this.

Why didn't I ever get any good targets!

That's it Keith, you.. me.. we are rollin out this mother.. there has to be some more high priority targets left.

And uhhh.. yeah.. lets put a bullet in the "scriptures" talk, I don't want this thread to get ruined.

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Quote: "Oh great... now who are we going to blame for all our problems?"


There's an app for that

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You aren't supposed to know this, but it was actually me who killed him. I used the laser on IanM's moon base and my Saitek X52. One more accomplishment for my Presidential legacy .

Seriously though, WOW! The crowds gathering on the White House lawn and at Ground Zero in NYC are mindboggling. At 1:30am no less... they're still growing! I'm not ashamed to admit I nearly teared up when I heard that crowd burst into an impromptu singing of the anthem. This is incredible news

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 09:59
I too am surprised by the amount of people gathering everywhere in america.

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The moral of this story is don't screw around with the US.


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Posted: 2nd May 2011 10:50 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 10:52
I'm very hesitant to cheer for someone's death, so you won't see me partying about this. (that's not to say that his death is a tragedy xD)

I hope other radical leaders will take note of what happened.

Quote: "not meaning to be a deuche, but i stopped caring about him ages ago..
Good for you guys, i guess."


...

you're being serious? who is "you guys" anyways? Osama and other radical Islams aren't a threat local to the US...


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Quote: "you're being serious? who is "you guys" anyways? Osama and other radical Islams aren't a threat local to the US..."


Yes iam serious, and you guys would be everyone cheering about it, or basicly caring.

I simply see no reason to care about it


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Posted: 2nd May 2011 11:43 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 11:49
Quote: "I simply see no reason to care about it"


To each their own. Some people don't feel empathy for others unless it hits close to home (a relative, a friend, etc). Or maybe they're just unaware of some of his earlier works and haven't caught the pattern yet to see one reason for the concern?

Quote: "It is believed that the first bombing attack involving bin Laden was the December 29, 1992 bombing of the Gold Mihor Hotel in Aden in which two people were killed"


Quote: "In the 1990s bin Laden's al-Qaeda assisted jihadis financially and sometimes militarily in Algeria, Egypt and Afghanistan. In 1992 or 1993 bin Laden sent an emissary, Qari el-Said, with $40,000 to Algeria to aid the Islamists and urge war rather than negotiation with the government. Their advice was heeded but the war that followed killed 150,000–200,000 Algerians and ended with Islamist surrender to the government."


Quote: "Bin Laden was on the American Federal Bureau of Investigation's lists of Ten Most Wanted Fugitives and Most Wanted Terrorists due to his involvement in the 1998 US embassy bombings"


Quote: "Another effort by bin Laden was the funding of the Luxor massacre of November 17, 1997,[73][74][75] which killed 62 civilians"


Quote: "September 11 attacks"



There are more instances, but I'm sure you get the idea, by now. But just in case; the concern for 'those guys' who have it (while I'm sure it isn't off base to say 'justice has been served' is in there somewhere), is that he won't be adding anything else to his wall of shame.


EDIT: Feel the need to mention I'm not attacking because of what you said; as I said to each their own. Just letting you know why it's probably a reassurance to a lot of people that's he dead.

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Quote: "Quote: "I simply see no reason to care about it"

To each their own. Some people don't feel empathy for others unless it hits close to home (a relative, a friend, etc). Or maybe they're just unaware of some of his earlier works and haven't caught the pattern yet to see one reason for the concern?

Quote: "It is believed that the first bombing attack involving bin Laden was the December 29, 1992 bombing of the Gold Mihor Hotel in Aden in which two people were killed"

Quote: "In the 1990s bin Laden's al-Qaeda assisted jihadis financially and sometimes militarily in Algeria, Egypt and Afghanistan. In 1992 or 1993 bin Laden sent an emissary, Qari el-Said, with $40,000 to Algeria to aid the Islamists and urge war rather than negotiation with the government. Their advice was heeded but the war that followed killed 150,000–200,000 Algerians and ended with Islamist surrender to the government."

Quote: "Bin Laden was on the American Federal Bureau of Investigation's lists of Ten Most Wanted Fugitives and Most Wanted Terrorists due to his involvement in the 1998 US embassy bombings"

Quote: "Another effort by bin Laden was the funding of the Luxor massacre of November 17, 1997,[73][74][75] which killed 62 civilians"

Quote: "September 11 attacks"


There are more instances, but I'm sure you get the idea, by now. But just in case; the concern for 'those guys' who have it (while I'm sure it isn't off base to say 'justice has been served' is in there somewhere), is he won't be adding anything else to his wall of shame."


or maybe i simply dont care about it? last time i heard about him doing anything... well that was a long time ago
and for the record, I usually dont care about that kind of stuff, it might be true as you say: some people might not care until it happens to a relative to that person

it might be true, what do i know? as of now it just feels so far fetched, the twin tower incident happened about when i was around ten years old, its been ten years, is there a reason for me to still care about it?
Like i said, it feels way to far fetched, if it were to happen up here? then i might be worried, on the other side of the world? the only more far fetched thing would be if we had colonialized the moon and there were terrorists there.


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Quote: "Or maybe they're just unaware of some of his earlier works and haven't caught the pattern yet to see one reason for the concern?"


It depends on how much of that you want to believe.

Either way, one less terrorist in the world. That's always a good thing.



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Posted: 2nd May 2011 12:06 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 12:09
Quote: "it might be true as you say: some people might not care until it happens to a relative to that person"


Wasn't referring to you specifically, as I thought my 'to each their own' remark would have made clear. You simply not caring falls into that category, and I don't have any problem with it at all.

Quote: "is there a reason for me to still care about it?"


Only you can decide that. I provided one explanation as to why it's a concern for others. You can have it if you want. And not all of his involvments were based on the other side of the world from you, for reference.


EDIT:

Quote: "It depends on how much of that you want to believe."


One's more than enough for me.


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Posted: 2nd May 2011 12:46 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 12:49
They've made a pretty good martyr out of him by killing him, meaning this probably assists terrorism and doesn't hinder it at all.

Notice step 6 here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr#Meaning

Quote: "The hero’s death is commemorated. People may label the hero explicitly as a martyr. Other people may in turn be inspired to pursue the same cause."


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Posted: 2nd May 2011 13:04
Bin Laden is not the only terrorist threat, it's not like his death means an end to terrorism.
It's convenient to have a figurehead, but people need to realise that most countries have their own terrorism threats to deal with. Bin Laden will be made a martyr, because the American media will go absolutely nuts over this, and for too long.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 13:21 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 13:22
[sarcasm]Yess! We have taken a HUGE step towards ending the [massive sarcasm]WAR OR TERROR[/massive sarcasm][/sarcasm]

[edit] aslo, awesome sig, David

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Well I doubt Osama was like "Yeah you can take me in".

Very likely we had the choice to either leave him alone or kill him. I think we made the right decision.

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dude... people's reactions to Osama's death really piss me off. It's like the implications of his death aren't important compared to peoples' lust for revenge. It seems like no one is taking both sides into account, or taking any lesson from the whole situation.


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Quote: " last time i heard about him doing anything... well that was a long time ago"


So because he hasn't done anything you know of recently, that's reason to forget about him? It doesn't matter how long ago it was; he attacks, we kill.

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Just watched the news on TV and it's amazing how many people are openly celebrating his death. I guess it's not a bad thing to be happy about him being gone, but it really shows us (and al-Qaida unfortunately) how much significance a single man can have. I wonder how many followers will step up to try to attain such glory now?

Quote: "Very likely we had the choice to either leave him alone or kill him. I think we made the right decision."


I dunno, I know how patriotic many Americans are, and the chance for "retribution" for their country might just have been too much of an opportunity for the trained-to-kill soldiers to pass up. Who knows. I'm not sure how much use it would have been capturing him anyway.



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Posted: 2nd May 2011 13:56 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 15:45
MOD EDIT: Now you get to be a martyr for a whole week.

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In a hundred years time this will be a foot note in history.

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Well who knows what exactly was going on. But I do know a few soldiers and if they're told to do something or not do something (ie capture him alive), they would do it.

Now of course, who knows what was ordered and what actually happened. We'll have to watch and see what is reported.

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Quote: "In a hundred years time this will be a foot note in history."


Or it will be a prominent example of how barbaric and naive we are

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It's a big victory against terrorism for us, but the news does say this doesn't mean it's over, nor do we think it is anyway

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Quote: "KILL BIN LADEN = WINZ AGAINST ALL TERROR!"


Who thinks that?

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Quote: "KILL BIN LADEN = WINZ AGAINST ALL TERROR!"


What about revenge attacks?
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Posted: 2nd May 2011 15:56 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 15:57
Quote: "MOD EDIT: Now you get to be a martyr for a whole week."


Aww i missed what it was! bet'cha it was funny too.

Anyway great an all but it's not like we can turn around and say, "our job here is done boys lets move out" Where there for the long haul/oil runs out/¬lybia?¬ This in any case will be like kicking a dozen hornet nest's. Remember its a relgious factor that plays heavily on there part so a little mourning then brace for the zealots in his name. oh how i hate war

But yeah a stepping stone if anything.

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As a skeptic, it's a little hard to swallow because they've conveniently got rid of the body and I think other people will find difficulty with the story and I can imagine 100s of conspiracy stories coming out as a result, perhaps Obama is actually Osama Bin Laden in disguise and people were catching on to him...who knows what people will come up with? A photograph could easily dispel any doubt, except for the loonies, but since when did we care about them?

But if he's dead, it's great there's one less terrorist in the world and another murderer brought to some kind of justice and I'm sure the media will milk it. But by no means are terrorists going to give up because a figurehead is dead, if anything it'll just make them angrier.

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Quote: "I simply see no reason to care about it"

Perhaps if someone close to you were beheaded, or blown up; you might care more. Until then, go ahead and continue on in your blissful ignorance.

I really have no doubt he's dead. The fallout to the Presidency (assuming he's going for reelection) would be pretty dire, if Osama popped up on television with today's newspaper. I for one am celebrating; doesn't mean I'm barbaric, it means I'm human.

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It's so naive the way some Americans are acting like this is the final scene in an 80s action film where the bad guy gets killed and we all live happily ever after. "Wooooooo we won the war on terror! U-S-A! U-S-A!" they might say

I also have a problem with celebrating someone's death. No matter how many bad things he's done and deaths he's responsible for (including those impressionable young muslims under his command) he was a human being, just like the rest of us. I'm not arguing against killing him, I would have pulled the trigger myself, but I would not have felt good about it.

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Quote: "he was a human being"

I and millions of others would disagree with you.

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Quote: "I and millions of others would disagree with you."


I don't really think you and I can speculate on such a matter since we have no idea what his personality was like. For all we know he might have been a nice person. Although such an idea might be a bit of a stretch.



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The way i see it, his followers might want revenge with more attacks.

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Quote: "So because he hasn't done anything you know of recently, that's reason to forget about him? It doesn't matter how long ago it was; he attacks, we kill"


basicly, yes? since he havent done anything even remotely related to me, or where i live, is there a reason for me to want him dead? especially considering my morale against death in the first place?

you cant justify death by more death.


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Quote: "They've made a pretty good martyr out of him by killing him"


I'm glad I'm not the only one concerned about the whole martydom thing.

Whilst I fully understand the reaction of our American cousins, who have born the brunt of Al-Qaeda attacks over the years, I can't help thinking that we may have stirred up the Hornet's nest even more by killing him.

I guess only time will tell if this was a good or bad thing...

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Quote: "you cant justify death by more death."


You can't stop it with morality, either.

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Quote: "For all we know he might have been a nice person"

Are you serious, or are you just trying to get a rise out of people (like usual)? If you think someone who planned and executed an attack to specifically target non-military people on such a massive scale....is a "nice person", then you have a different perspective of what a "nice person" is...as opposed to most people.

As for the "martyrdom" thing; there's no real way around it. You either kill him or capture him (which would cause more attacks in my opinion, in order to gain his release). Sure there'll be attacks; but there would have been attacks anyways. In case you haven't noticed, the terrorists haven't exactly called a cease-fire.

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Quote: "I and millions of others would disagree with you."

I realise it's easy for me to be level-headed since I haven't been affected by terrorism, but I still don't think it's right to cheer his death. I just think it's very sad that he was so full of hate and those horrible things he did.

Quote: "Are you serious, or are you just trying to get a rise out of people (like usual)? If you think someone who planned and executed an attack to specifically target non-military people on such a massive scale....is a "nice person", then you have a different perspective of what a "nice person" is...as opposed to most people."

I watched a documentary where they restored Hitler's home videos, he came across as a very pleasant and funny man, you wouldn't believe it was the same person. This is the point I was trying to make earlier, no one is pure evil. There are some people who have a distorted view of the world and full of hate which drives them to do awful things but they are no less human than you or I, that scares a lot of people but is the truth.

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