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KeithC
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Posted: 2nd May 2011 17:47
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Quote: "but I still don't think it's right to cheer his death"

I "cheer" his death because it means one less "big-ticket" terrorist that will be around to plot innocent people's deaths. If you have an issue with that, then I can't help you.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 17:48
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Quote: "I don't really think you and I can speculate on such a matter since we have no idea what his personality was like. For all we know he might have been a nice person. Although such an idea might be a bit of a stretch."


Yes, even tyrants have human sides.


But of course, it doesn't outweigh their inhuman side. I'm hoping the actions will result in fewer innocent deaths rather than more, but I don't see it happening and it's kind of sad, but people will want to retaliate.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 17:50
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At any rate; I'm going to lock this after a bit (for what I would hope would be obvious reasons). I'll let everyone get in a few more comments/viewpoints real quick.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 17:52 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 17:52
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Quote: "You can't stop it with morality, either.
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so very true, but atleast it doesnt cause more death.

*with that i meant direct death, not death caused by the one responsible.*


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Posted: 2nd May 2011 17:58
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Quote: "so very true, but atleast it doesnt cause more death.

*with that i meant direct death, not death caused by the one responsible.*"


Not sure if I agree, what if he was planning to kill 100s more people? Then taking his life saves those lives.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 17:59
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Quote: "which would cause more attacks in my opinion, in order to gain his release"


How good is the security at Guantanamo?!!

On a more serious note, I realise that in the heat of a firefight, capturing someone alive isn't exactly easy, especially when your target would rather die, and become a martyr, than be captured.

I'm not in any way saying that killing him was a bad thing, or that it should have been avoided. I'm merely treating the news with some caution, thinking of all the possible consequences.

I was just as shocked and horrified by the events of 9/11 as anyone, and I really do hope that maybe this is the beginning of the end of the war on terrorism.

Through all of this, my thoughts are with the families of the victims of 9/11, I hope this news brings some sense of peace to them all.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:01
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Quote: "How good is the security at Guantanamo?!!"


Why would they attack Guantanamo? They attack other areas of the World, with the demand that he's released. It happens that way quite a bit.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:05
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I knew people who died on 9/11. Not acquaintances... good friends. People I really cared about. Let me tell those of you who think this doesn't matter, it matters to me.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:08
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Quote: "I knew people who died on 9/11. Not acquaintances... good friends. People I really cared about. Let me tell those of you who think this doesn't matter, it matters to me."


and that is very very understandable matt, and iam sorry for the loss :/
and iam sure, that if i would have lost someone precious to me that day, it would have mattered more for sure


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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:11
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Quote: "?!!

On a more serious note"


I'd have thought that those would have been clues that I wasn't entirely serious!

I'm now going to bow out of this conversation, as my attempt at being the voice of caution hasn't gone down too well

Only time will tell what the consequences of this news will be...

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:16 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 18:37
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Quote: "Are you serious, or are you just trying to get a rise out of people (like usual)? If you think someone who planned and executed an attack to specifically target non-military people on such a massive scale....is a "nice person", then you have a different perspective of what a "nice person" is...as opposed to most people"


I'm not sure what "getting a rise" means in this context since no one is paying me a wage right now, but no I was entirely serious.

Quote: "I watched a documentary where they restored Hitler's home videos, he came across as a very pleasant and funny man, you wouldn't believe it was the same person. This is the point I was trying to make earlier, no one is pure evil. There are some people who have a distorted view of the world and full of hate which drives them to do awful things but they are no less human than you or I, that scares a lot of people but is the truth."


That's pretty much what I'm getting at. I'm under the impression that Osama was one of those fanatical religious types that has some warped opinion on how "the world should be", and that all sinners and non-believers should die etc., following his interpretation of the Quran. Does this alone make him inherently evil? No, not at all. Does it make him absolutely insane? Yes, perhaps. Basically, I'm just suggesting that he is misunderstood (but I agree that this does not make anything he did morally right). Maybe, just maybe he was actually nice guy but had an incredibly twisted view on reality.

If a mod thinks what I've said shouldn't be said they should feel free to delete these posts and I'll say nothing more on the matter.

(Condensed since some may have been offended with the tone I used)



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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:19
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Quote: "so very true, but atleast it doesnt cause more death."


Erm, it was his own morals/beliefs/way of thinking in the first place that led to all of those innocent lives lost


Quote: "with that i meant direct death, not death caused by the one responsible."


Not sure what that means, exactly? Maybe it's just the way it's worded. Anyway, if he's not around to control his sheep to cause more death because he himself was killed, than in this case, the death of one pathetic, lowlife terrorist prevents possibly tens, hundreds, or maybe even thousands of innocent people from losing their own (again).

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:23
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Quote: "if he's not around to control his sheep to cause more death because he himself was killed, than in this case, the death of one pathetic, lowlife terrorist prevents possibly tens, hundreds, or maybe even thousands of innocent people from losing their own (again)."

Only for a while I fear, I think the US is in serious high risk of a retaliation attack.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:27
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I love how we play the devils advocate around here, just to get a rise out of people. We have such a range of ages and cultures here that we're sure to get every different opinion there is, even from those who are too young to know anything about the subject. It's actually a good thing and while I'm actually happy that he's dead, I can appreciate and respect the feelings of those who would not like to see anyone killed, no matter what.

Quote: "if Osama popped up on television"

I don't know why, but I was thinking this morning that they will try that.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:28 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 18:39
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This is all a cover up by the US Administration to brainwash it's citizens to forget about Osama bin laden and to gain more popularity for Barack Obama to gain votes for next years US elections as Obama is now seen as a Hero to Americans because he's the one who ousted the face of evil.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:35
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alright lets think of it this way around?

Osama crashes building
USA mocks about with afghanistan
war
10 years later they find osama
kills him

now lets ask this question, how many lifes did we actually save, considering all lifes were killed in afghanistan


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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:42 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 18:44
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If you need more proof he's dead, there's photos of him with a gunshot wound to the head (I'm not gonna link it for obvious reasons), and somehow I doubt the US would go to the trouble of faking that for him to then just announce he's still alive...

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Sorry but there's zero chance this is fake! What a stupid lie to tell that could so easily be disproved and would anger the entire American public.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:48 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 18:54
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Quote: "now lets ask this question, how many lifes did we actually save, considering all lifes were killed in afghanistan"


Wait, who is "we"? I thought you were in no way affected by this or involved? Anyway, can't say. But what is for sure, sitting back and doing absolutely nothing while terrorists run amuck and kill who they please for their own beliefs certainly isn't going to lower the number of lives lost. Let's think of it this way;

Osama crashes building.
US says we don't believe in killing, so have a good day, don't do it again please.
Osama crashes another building.
US says, alright, you probably didn't hear us. Please stop that.
Osama crashes another building...

Well, you see where this is going. Sometimes you have to take action. They located Osama, and in a hail of gunfire, he died, from what I understand. Would they have killed him on-sight anyway if there wasn't any skirmish? Again, can't say. But either way, he's out of the picture; and the cycle above doesn't get to number #3.


@The Comet, wow. I eagerly await the evidence for that one.

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Lol @ TheComet.

Don't forget to put the smiley at the end of the joke.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:58 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 19:07
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Quote: "Wait, who is "we"? I thought you were in no way affected by this or involved? Anyway, can't say. But what is for sure, sitting back and doing absolutely nothing while terrorists run amuck and kill who they please for their own beliefs certainly isn't going to lower the number of lives lost. Let's think of it this way;

Osama crashes building.
US says we don't believe in killing, so have a good day, don't do it again please.
Osama crashes another building.
US says, alright, you probably didn't hear us. Please stop that.
Osama crashes another building...

Well, you see where this is going. Sometimes you have to take action. They located Osama, and in a hail of gunfire, he died, from what I understand. Would they have killed him on-sight anyway if there wasn't any skirmish? Again, can't say. But either way, he's out of the picture; and the cycle above doesn't get to number #3."


you are right, with we i dont know why i put that word out there really, would it sound better with the united states of america?

anyway, so, because OSAMA crashes buildings, a WHOLE COUNTRY, even THOSE WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WÍTH ANYTHING to do with it has to suffer?

well thats a wondnerfull way of looking at it.


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Quote: "anyway, so, because OBAMA crashes buildings, a WHOLE COUNTRY, even THOSE WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WÍTH ANYTHING to do with it has to suffer?"


Funny, I was just thinking the same thing...

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Quote: "anyway, so, because OSAMA crashes buildings, a WHOLE COUNTRY, even THOSE WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WÍTH ANYTHING to do with it has to suffer?

well thats a wondnerfull way of looking at it."


Fixed your spelling error.

Apply that "theory" to Pearl Harbor and WWII, and see how it stands up.

Quote: "...even from those who are too young to know anything about the subject."


That is so true.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 19:09 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 19:10
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Quote: "There's not enough evidence to prove he's dead... The whole story could be made up, firstly to give Obama a good image for the re-election, and secondly to keep the population scared... And even if he did died... WHO CARES. As if some bearded guy in a cave is the "head of terrorism", my god...
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Are you kidding me? We got half this board asking why did we have to kill a terrorist (as if it was in cold blood). Also news is reporting the orders were to take him dead or alive. I'm sure if we could have brought him back alive, we would have.

And then the other half saying maybe he's not dead (as if we called up Osama and was like, "Hey, maybe you should pretend to be dead, here's some money, go retire)."

Hello? He's a religious nutcase. He's not an ally who will play along with the US.

Maybe he never existed in the first place and we're all living a lie. If that's the case, you should pack it up anyway because we're all too far gone at this point.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 19:18
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OK; I think we've all had a chance to voice our thoughts and opinions on the matter. Locking.

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