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Johnski
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Posted: 9th May 2011 01:08 Edited at: 9th May 2011 01:11
I am currently working on a new novel, it is a phychological horror novel that is set in the 1970's not sure what exact year yet, But i have attached a sample of chapter 1 and part of chapter 2. This has no penciled release date but i will be published on lulu.com and perhaps amazon.com

Here is the plot:

A man called tom goes on vacation to the snowy village of rocky mountain lodge, He stays in a hotel there, everything seems nice until strange goings on start happening the house, One night a feirce thunderstorm rattles the house and tom wakes up and he see's the hotel keepr with a blood drenched axe in her hand with a blank expression on her face, He wakes up next morning, Thinking it is all a dream he stays in the hotel, it turns out the hotel manager is mentaly unstable and she kills ALL guests for revenge for her husband's murder. But it is then revealed the hotel manager killed her husband during the night The rest is a secret....


Also my other novel was lost deleted by mistake and i did not relise until it was to late. So here is the replacment novel. I may rewrite the mafia novel in the future.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 01:36 Edited at: 10th May 2011 00:32
It was ok, but I found it very hard to read with all the grammatical errors. Capital letters in the middle of sentences, commas in stead of fullstops, un-needed apostrophes and no apostrophe when it was needed really jumped out at me when reading it.

I realise it's only a draft though, but do you have someone who will proof read it/edit it before you publish it?

EDITED for Benjamin who has never made a mistake in his life

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Posted: 9th May 2011 01:37
Indeed, I dont have anyone yet, but once i finish the daft i shall get someone to proof read/edit it before i publish it.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 02:05
Some of it goes in to far too much needless detail, in my opinion. And, I'm not a fan of 1st person novels, but that's just me.

And...many grammatical errors, as well. Such as: "'[...] we was expecting you an hour ago' The woman said[...]"
It should be "we were," and there should be a comma after ago.

The writing isn't very sophisticated, in my opinion, either. Granted, it's a draft, but not a very good one at that. Don't get me wrong, there is a decent story in there, though not in its current state.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 02:09
ok, i accept critism in any form, i shall change it to accomodate peoples ready style and correct the errors stated

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Posted: 9th May 2011 02:09
Please, please, please put periods at the end of each sentence.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 02:12 Edited at: 9th May 2011 02:39
I see, i shall change them. Thanks for the critism.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 02:32
I like where you're going with this. You have a certain flow and style in the story, but as everyone has already stated, your writing needs a lot of grammatical work.

Someone said "Some of it goes in to far too much needless detail". To me it seems that you need more detail, but in some places you have none at all which makes the little you have seem out of place.

In the first paragraph it seems as though you are taking a trip alone. Then we find in the next paragraph that you have children with you, but we know absolutely nothing about them. You immediately go back to "I" and you seem alone again. Did you leave them in the car when you entered the hotel?

Was this trip planned, an annual event, or spur of the moment? Are you married, divorced, are these even your children? How may are there? They seem awfully well mannered to have been so quiet the whole trip.

Anyway, you can see where I'm going with this. I need more info if I'm I'm going to get taken in by the story.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 02:35 Edited at: 9th May 2011 02:37
Quote: "[quote]Please, please, please put periods at the end of each sentence."
errm, not realy a crit, but ok.[/quote]
Not to be rude, but that is a very valid crit. I found it hard to get passed the first paragraph considering it had 0 periods, and I didn't know when the sentence started or ended. Having proper grammar is essential when you right a book/novel/whatever. Sorry if that came off as rude, but it's for your novel's and your own good. I did read it, but I don't think I can fully appreciate it or give proper content criticism until the grammar (particularly punctuation) is fixed.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 02:37 Edited at: 9th May 2011 02:38
Oh i see! The error on the kids and the one guy at first is it was orginaly going to be a family, But i changed it to be one guy, So i am still sifting throught o correct it. And with the gramatical error's i am dyslexic so i will correct them soon. Thank you for your critism, The holiday was triggered by an advertisment seen in the Buxton Newspaper. The guy is also single.

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and heyufool: I see, i also did not mean that comment to come out as it did, i shall change that.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 02:46 Edited at: 9th May 2011 02:46
Quote: "My greatest influence is Stephen King."

That was my first thought when I saw "Buxton, Maine". He's my favorite as well. Notice how you can almost see the characters in his books.

Quote: "And with the gramatical error's i am dyslexic so i will correct them soon."


I'm not saying that you're not, but I've never seen a form of dyslexia where you forget periods.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 02:50
Haha, yes i was never good at english but it seems i was always good at writing. Stephen King is possibly one of the greatest horror writers of our time.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 02:54
I don't remember another time where there were horror writers tbh.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 02:56
hehe Indeed, the world is lacking horror writer's these days. I am sure the genre is very underapreicated and underused.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 05:11
Quote: "Someone said "Some of it goes in to far too much needless detail". To me it seems that you need more detail"

I meant with the complete description of the soup's texture and such; slowly eating the soup, etc. You know, that's not really needed. But, I'd agree that detail is needed in many other places.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 12:41
I see what you mean, I shall make the requered amend's

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Posted: 9th May 2011 13:43
I haven't read it, but one thing I would suggest is taking a creative writing course. If people here are in agony over the grammar then it just won't get very far.

Most authors have studied English to a high degree or have at least taken evening classes. It's not something that get's better with practice, or can be self-taught - self-taught authors = unpublished authors.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 14:25
I've got friends who are dyslexic and write, the first thing you will need to get over is your grammar, I'm sure it'll be difficult as a dyslexic, but not impossible. If you do manage to find somebody to proofread and edit, that's great, but I find an important thing for me as a writer is to be able to use grammar to my own advantage, even breaking grammatical rules for style, I think a proofreader would prevent that - how would a proofreader know what to correct and what not to? A well placed comma can have an amazing effect, I also enjoy the use of the semi-colon. The difference between the active and passive tense can alter how a reader feels. "Thraxas is slapped by Van B" (Passive) "Van B slaps Thraxas" (Active).


So I wouldn't let a proofreader come within 50 meters of my work. But to each their own, you will do what works for you, naturally and take what advice you need along the way.

I'll come back and take a look, but I need to shoot off.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 14:37
I am taking A level Literature in college, Also i type fast which may be the problem also.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 15:04 Edited at: 9th May 2011 15:05
So what's the twist?! Her husband is undead? OR, our protagonist is dead and is reliving event, or she's a psycho and killed her husband, or HE IS HER, like in the movie PSYCHO, or her ancestor is drawn to the hotel and becomes her, like the SHINING, or she has an identical twin, or her husband is in on the murdering, or our protagonist is insane and has done all the killing and only thinks its her and is infact in a metal asylum playing out his fantasies, like that dicrappio movie, or none of the above?!

Either way, I'm not sure she'll be getting much repeat business or advertising through word of mouth.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 15:08
Thw twist is, the lady is half - dead also. But she does not realise it until later on in the novel.

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Posted: 9th May 2011 17:07
Have someone proofread it and post the updated version, and I'll give it a look. I'm very fussy about language, and just seeing some of the replies on this thread almost made me cry:

Quote: "Capitol letters in the middle of sentences"


Quote: "I found it hard to get passed the first paragraph"


Quote: "It's not something that get's better with practice"




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Your just being pedantic. We are posting on a forum, not writing a book. Get's and gets always gets me, I have come to terms with that and I don't let it ruin my life.

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Quote: "Your just being pedantic. "


I am indeed, and if you think about how little things like that bother me, just imaging me trying to read walls of unformatted text! Not saying that there's anything wrong with your grammar, since on the whole it's pretty good. I just thought since this is a thread that discusses writing, why not point out some mistakes people make in the hope that it'll help them learn.



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Quote: "I don't bungee jump - but I know enough to be able to advise a bungee jumper not to try cooking spaghetti on the way down."


Ludicrous advise. You clearly don't know any Italian Bungee jumpers.

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Ahem, Please dont go off topic.

i am saying that because: and i qoute:
Quote: "You clearly don't know any Italian Bungee jumpers"


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Posted: 10th May 2011 00:19 Edited at: 10th May 2011 01:15
Benjamin, I recommend you read Ulysses by James Joyce, it sounds right up your creek.

It does hurt your head sometimes seeing grammatical errors, but they're so easy to mistake, naturally I'd expect a document to not contain any and if there are grammatical errors then there needs to be a purpose, but mistakes are common, especially when typing on an internet forum, so as long as it's readable I don't care, given I make several typos and accidentally misplace a comma or an apostrophe or even write the entirely wrong word altogether because it sounds similar to what was in my head (I hate it when I do that), so I'd be a hippogriff, I my hypocrite.

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But anyway, enough of the talk of grammar, I think the point has been made. Note: I'm having a flick through now - I'll edit with a response.


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Le Response:

I can see the influences in there and I think you're starting to build up an atmosphere - what I find interesting is that it's a seemingly large hotel, yet we've only been introduced to these two characters creating this feeling of isolation, a good element to use for horror. I think pacing might be a little bit of an issue, I felt like I wanted more of a build up of this place, perhaps a longer conversation with Pearl, learn a little more about the area, if he reads the headline, headlines are designed to grab people's attention and draw them to read an article, even if part of it (articles usually open with a summary, so if he's going to read an article, maybe all the reader needs to know is the opening), but as he says, "is the killer still on the loose?" It already suggests he knows the story and might be less inclined to read it because in a way, he already has - perhaps he could just offer a couple of lines about the killer, "heard it was some nutjob butcher from Missouri, his wife threatened to leave him, so he took his meat cleaver and chopped her head clean off", my version might be rubbish, but you get the picture. If it's a local legend people will find ways to make the story more interesting and rumours will spread about how somebody deals with his victims - not too much detail is needed, it could spoil the surprise. Rumours can be misleading, so the killer doesn't have to do what the rumours say he does, even though in a lot of horror, they seem to.

Then we have the first bit of action, I think when it comes to horror, less is more, because it allows the reader to fill in the gaps with their imagination, if you give them enough to work with, then they will fill in the blanks. You're doing this, but I think this is where grammar might play to your advantage. Short sentences help pace. In a way the mind is breathing more quickly, full stops are like the breathing in and the next sentence is breathing out. "He turned. Quick. What was that? And before him was nothing but silence. A crack. Again, turned. Nothing was there." First 3 periods/full stops come quick, so the action is quick, then next sentence is longer and therefore slower to get to the end because the silence is almost like "phew, I don't see anything" a little relief from the tension. The longer it takes to describe something your pacing will slow down to, which is why I dislike people who say, "always show, never tell" because sometimes telling allows the reader to not only fill in gaps but it also can help the pace.

But showing has an advantage, it can build an image, draw atmosphere and bring a reader into a scene. What do I mean when I talk about showing and telling? I remember when I first came across the phrase I didn't understand what was meant.
"Jack was angry" -> telling
"Jack's face turned red as he bit tightly on his upper lip." -> showing
The reader will work out that Jack is angry because he is displaying the body language anger may provide.

Appealing to the senses can help with showing. Remember: sight, taste, sound, touch, smell. You can exploit them all. I at times even going into how an emotion might make you feel, instead of "he was nervous as he looked her in the eye", "he felt his stomach tingle, his hand stuttered slightly as his head slowly turn to her and he looked into her eye".


Another note would be repetition. It happens all the time and you can easily remove it when you read it back to yourself, it's simple because actions may repeat themselves and objects maybe interacted with on more than one occasion.

An example (I'll put repetition in bold)
"I turned to the stairwell and ran towards it, I tripped on the loose rug that covered the hallway, I climbed to my feet and started to run down the stairs and towards the door, I placed my hands around the door handle but to my horror the door was locked."

It could be rephrased as:
"run down the stairs and towards the door, I place my hand around the handle but to my horror it was locked."

Also, he feels like he's being chased, so I think shorter sentences here would work. This is the kind of scene where I would break grammar rules (but of course, you'll use your own style) and remove any words and syllables that aren't necessary to deliver the same message, but faster.

Anyway. That's my honest feedback, sometimes I'm told I can give brutal feedback, so I hope I haven't done so. I enjoyed it as I was reading it, so I definitely think you can write and I hope my feedback and opinions are useful, but of course, it's your writing, so you don't have to agree with every point I make, in fact I love it when people do disagree, it shows they're thinking about it (unless the person is arrogant, but I see no signs of that here).

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Quote: "I'm very fussy about language, and just seeing some of the replies on this thread almost made me cry"


oh noes, i mad a mistak in a foram post, nao mi foram post willn't get publashed.

I'm not infallible, I make mistakes on occasion. However, I'm not trying to get my work published. Sometimes I wonder if you're the world'd greatest troll or just a noofa.

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I'll agree that it isn't to make mistakes in a forum post, but it isn't too difficult to check what you're typing as you write it, or just check it over after you post it.

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Posted: 10th May 2011 02:12 Edited at: 10th May 2011 03:45
Seppuku Arts : Thank for the reponse, I will take a close not of the points raised. Also i have a proofreader now, but would you like a free copy of the novel once complete? (I have had published work's in the past)

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Quote: "(I have had published work's in the future)"


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Quote: "I have had published work's in the future"

I have a hard time believing that. Self-published maybe. But certainly not a published book I'd find in a book store.

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Yeah, it was self published on lulu.com but it is a form of publishing.

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Yes and that is incredibly misleading to say. Anyone can self-publish, for the most part.

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My question to you: What makes your story any different than the thousands of stories already published following the same "kill them all" revenge plot? I'm pretty sure even Grey's Anatomy had a similar outline, when that guy went through shooting doctors because of his wifes death.

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Posted: 12th May 2011 01:35 Edited at: 12th May 2011 10:17
@crispex i have never watched Greys anatomy and there is a twist that is unique which will not be revealed at the moment.

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Posted: 12th May 2011 03:08 Edited at: 12th May 2011 03:12
Quote: "@redneckrambo You have not made points about the novel, all you have done is bash the form of publishing, if you dont like it then kindly dont comment"

Sometimes I forget how sensitive this world is, good God. All I was saying is, it's misleading to say you have published works before when you are self-published. I did not mean to come across mean in any way shape or form, and if I did, I truly am sorry. By no means am I bashing Self-Publishing even though I could, however, I wouldn't because I am going to be a self published author myself... I actually have about 150 pages written into a book about Greek Mythology (similar to Percy Jackson, though doesn't take place in modern times.)

I read your book, and as others have said, the grammatical mistakes are there. Working on that is important. If I wasn't writing a book myself, I would have actually gladly helped you with that (I'm minoring in Englishing and I score higher than about 96% (I believe 96) of America in Sentence Structure tests. That is actually true btw lol.) I have been told by teachers ever since around sixth grade that I must publish some form of writing. In high school, I had a teacher literally beg me to submit a story I wrote to be published in the school magazine lol. He failed though because it was a story I found too personal.

Crispex asks a great question. Unique twists are generally a necessity for a book, however, you need the body of the book to be grabbing and unique as well. A book needs to be similar to what people enjoy, but they need their own uniqueness that is different.

I think you have a good story going. Really the best I can say is... detail.... detail... detail... but be careful where the detail lies. Don't simply describe EVERY single item in a room to an extreme, however, make sure the readers have an understanding of what is in a room so they can truly visualize it.

I wish you the best of luck in your writings.

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Posted: 12th May 2011 10:17
I see, I also apologize for the way that come out, I did not mean it to come across in that way. And i see. I will try and find your book when it is published and thanks for the critism, I will take the points raised into account

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