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Geek Culture / winXP - how big is the risk for viruses

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Neuro Fuzzy
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Posted: 16th May 2011 00:06
I'm just wondering...

my computer is behind a router, and is moderately secure as far as anti-virus stuff goes. I have Avast!, but I usually stop avast when I start gaming (=Mount and Blade warband through steam, pretty much exclusively). This is my windows XP partition on a linux system, and sooo I do most of my browsing/programming on linux. I even go so far as to not log in to e-mail/facebook/important stuff while booting in windows.

But my dad, who works with networking and synchronization of files between computers, got a virus on his computer, and since we're all on the same network, he seems to take to the idea that it's my computer that's infected. So, I'm wondering. Say I didn't have ANY antivirus stuff on my computer, and all I did was play online steam games with this operating system, with barely any web-browser stuff. Could I get a virus, even though I'm behind a router?


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Posted: 16th May 2011 00:15 Edited at: 16th May 2011 00:15
Quote: "Say I didn't have ANY antivirus stuff on my computer, and all I did was play online steam games with this operating system, with barely any web-browser stuff. Could I get a virus, even though I'm behind a router?"


I really doubt that steam could transfer viruses on your PC, but it is P2P after all, so there is a chance. But with antivirus I think you're safe. What antivirus do you have on the linux partition? Have you detected any viruses on your system before?


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Posted: 16th May 2011 01:56
Almost all viruses come from programs you've downloaded/transferred from another computer which are infected. Most of the rest come from infected files which have then been opened by badly written programs.

The only way to passively get a virus is for a person (or EXTREMELY clever virus) to send messages to a port on your computer on which a program is listening which will do whatever it's told. Examples of this would be an FTP server, a remote desktop application, etc. but most of these require a password.

A properly configured firewall router means that nobody outside can initiate a connection to your computer. Only your computer can initiate the connection (which it won't unless it already has a virus on it).

Even windows firewall will block access to your computer in this way.

Most likely it's your dad who was fooled into downloading the virus onto his computer by a malicious website. Typically these are fake plugins or activex controls which the website tells you that you need, or fake security warnings on websites (some look identical to the windows control panel).

You can stop half of these by using a browser other than IE because then the websites either break or it's immediately obvious that it's fake since only IE supports activex controls and shows the yellow bar across the top.

In short, viruses are stupid. They are simply small computer programs. They can't think for themselves, only do what they're programmed to do. The clever part is the variety of ways that people trick you into downloading them.

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Posted: 16th May 2011 02:55 Edited at: 16th May 2011 02:56
Quote: "In short, viruses are stupid."

That's a good way to put it , and a lot of viruses only slow down your computer somewhat. But that's not always the case, sometimes you'll get NetBIOS born viruses that inflitrate your LAN, and/or do serious enough damage to prevent Windows from booting, spyware that collects private info, etc. It all depends on the virus, and what type of computer your using. Luckily most modern operating systems and antivirus are essentially immune to these harms, but that's not a complete deduction either. It's always good to be as careful as you can.

What are the symptoms so far of the infected PC(s)? Is it slower, any problems running programs, booting issues, etc.? Is your system infected as well?


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Posted: 16th May 2011 02:57 Edited at: 16th May 2011 03:00
Quote: "The clever part is the variety of ways that people trick you into downloading them."


Dont remind me, the amount of times ive had to sort my perents laptop out because they had something tell them they need it/need to update it.

Also its very easy to pick up malicious content on grey area/illegal programs because the sources of them arent the most trustworthy.


~Also open taskman reguralry and get to grips with what your system uses on average and look for out of place task names in processes. Its gets easy from then on to find crap running in your background.

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Posted: 16th May 2011 08:08
You just need to be careful and not open random emails and click some stupid ads. I have been running bout a year without any antivirus on my XP,then I had to format because of other reasons(disk failure).


Insanity Complex
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Posted: 16th May 2011 15:43
Quote: "Dont remind me, the amount of times ive had to sort my perents laptop out because they had something tell them they need it/need to update it."


Blah...lately I've had to help friends clean out those "Your computer is unprotected! Click here to scan!" fake anti-virus viruses. I'm amazed at watching the same people fall for similar scams multiple times...

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Posted: 16th May 2011 23:32
I tried fixing a friend's desktop yesterday running vista. Dirty little malware! When I attempted to download MalwareBytes, I was redirected to another website (same thing with HijackThis). The sites looked legit and the only reason I knew I had been redirected to a scandalous website is because I've been on the real ones before. So in that instance I can understand people falling for it. Whatever has this PC infected also disabled the AV and the Window update services.

I eventually managed to clean most things out, however, something is still causing programs not to run properly so I'm not able to run services.msc and explorer crashes when I attempt to "run" anything from the start menu.

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Posted: 16th May 2011 23:46
Quote: "avast"

I also have avast and it have scared me 2 times
It seams that if it somehow fails to update the viruse database so does it turn everything to max security!

And tells you that all chm files etc is redirect viruses

But i like avast and still uses it!
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Posted: 17th May 2011 11:22 Edited at: 17th May 2011 11:24
Quote: "~Also open taskman reguralry and get to grips with what your system uses on average and look for out of place task names in processes. Its gets easy from then on to find crap running in your background."


I SECOND THIS!!! TOOO TRUE I do this like everyday all day long constantly have TaskMgr running on second display!

I just repaired a clients pc yesterday (laptop sorry) and found they had avast on it, I removed avast installed my fav app, and picked up a severe level infection inside the windows directory... for me enough proof avast is pathetic and OTT.

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Oh sorry, some applications on one XP machine, can over LAN affect other machines through unprotected ports, (Condoms for Network cards? lol) this is true and proven while i checked into the virus that affected my clients pc... this post and that repair some sort of coincidence?

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