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Geek Culture / Rogue Anon member attacks Square Enix. Anon released attackers personal information.

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Fatal Berserker
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Posted: 16th May 2011 00:57
Sorry for making alot of threads, but there has been a lot of news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13394968
http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/05/anonymous-splinter-group-implicated-in-game-company-hack/
FYI, Anon is a protest group, and not a criminal organization, which is why they would frown on data theft.

Basically, they attacked Square Enix, and while they were doing so they were discussing it over IRC. But... someone was idle in this IRC and the whole chat was leaked (doesnt really sound right does it?).
You can read it all here: http://pastebin.com/8yb6bVxQ

Anon got mad, because it portrays them in the wrong way, and so they have released the masterminds details to the world, to alert any authorities. This is the same man who apparently attacked anons own website following a dispute after the breach at sony.

The details: WARNING, IF A MOD DECIDES THIS LINK IS FOUL PLEASE REMOVE IT

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Posted: 16th May 2011 01:43
Cyber terrorism at it's worst. This guy Ryan Cleary needs a massive slap about and a life sentence. Hacking illegally is only cool to idiots, the real hackers do it ethically and aren't such low life scum.

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Posted: 16th May 2011 03:48 Edited at: 16th May 2011 03:50
If it's just email addresses, that's not so bad, my spam box gets filled with crap and I know how to spot phishing attacks. Because I play FFXI-Online, Square Enix actually has my bank details. But it is worrying that people are acquiring personal details.

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Posted: 16th May 2011 04:03
Hacking is like grafitti. It mirrors a type of art (programming vs painting), but it is almost always done in the wrong way with the wrong intentions.


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Fatal Berserker
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Posted: 16th May 2011 16:32 Edited at: 16th May 2011 16:39
Quote: "Hacking is like grafitti. It mirrors a type of art (programming vs painting), but it is almost always done in the wrong way with the wrong intentions."

No, this was more like vandalism than grafitti.

And looking this guy up, he has some history behind him, taking down previous websites, even 4chan (who are usually considered ones who support anon).

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Posted: 16th May 2011 16:39
Quote: "No, this was more like vandalism than grafitti."


More like breaking and entering, then stealing everything of value.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 00:31
Quote: "No, this was more like vandalism than grafitti."


Graffiti is vandalism.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 00:45
Quote: "Graffiti is vandalism."

unless you own the wall, in which case it's art.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 01:25
But who would hack there own computer...
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Posted: 17th May 2011 01:26
Quote: "unless you own the wall, in which case it's art.
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But then it's not graffiti?

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Posted: 17th May 2011 02:01
Quote: "But then it's not graffiti?"


That was always my understanding of it. If legal it becomes graffiti art otherwise it's simply vandalism...

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Posted: 17th May 2011 02:31
Quote: "But who would hack there own computer..."


Google: White Hat Hacker

Quote: "Quote: "But then it's not graffiti?"

That was always my understanding of it. If legal it becomes graffiti art otherwise it's simply vandalism..."


I don't really know what to say. Anon, well, in my opinion is a group that I think will just become corrupt. It seems that group with so much power and to many people to keep track of, stuff like this is bound to happen.

I believe in fighting for an idea, but eventually you have someone who takes it to far.

It's like your hanging out with friends and you do something bad. A cop comes up, you have your normal friends who will talk there way out of it, maybe a friend to scared who is freaking out (probably the people who leak information, such as the kid in the Netherlands), and then you have the last group, the rebels. There is going to be that one guy who just can't hold it in and doesn't realize what he is getting into to and just starting swearing out the cop, thus making everyone in the group look bad.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 04:09
Quote: "Anon, well, in my opinion is a group that I think will just become corrupt"


It's always been corrupt.

Quote: "I believe in fighting for an idea,"


So do I, but don't do it anonymously.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 04:24 Edited at: 17th May 2011 04:50
This isnt a random member who claims to be of anon, such as a fangroup.
Anon is an actual protest organization, and i dont mean their 4chan fanboys, and this person was an admin of anon. Hes not some random person, but someone with power.

I wouldnt say anon is corrupt, because they are acting like most protest organizations, their aim blinds their actions and causes them to do very rational things.

Quote: "But who would hack there own computer.."

Ill explain what i know from the beginning.

Some guy in america jailbreaks the PS3, obviously Sony isnt happy. Sony do all these law cases against this person (who even defies law to keep his software running, but thats a different story), anon believe that this is against his rights (anon fight for peoples rights) and so anon DDoS Sony. DDoSing is for anon, to be considered the acceptable way to protest, you dont do any permanent damage (other than cuts in profit), but the same thing would happen if you protested outside their shop IRL.
So anon do there DDoSing business, and in a whole dont do much damage to sony, and sony basically laughed in the face of anon in a statement (calling anon a mere annoyance).
It is believed that this member from anonops then breached PSN with this crack and stole vast amounts of information. Anon was very quick to announce they had nothing todo with the matter. However, following their announcement and sony discovering a file on their servers with anons motto inside an internal dispute occured in anonops.
The dispute was between whoever else is in anon, and this ryan clearly guy. Anon fights for peoples rights and believes that data theft is wrong, and so following an argument Ryan Clearly cracks into anonops site and makes it so any vistors have their IPs posted on the homepage. (http://www.tugaleaks.com/stuff/1ecswn1.html)

Anonops obviously had to quickly fix this as even though they are protesters, DDoSing is illegal. Im not sure what happened to ryan clearly following that, but he then went on to targeting Square Enix. He does claim to of breached the majority, if not all of the sites, but he focuses on defacing the dues nex or something site, and he posts some ascii art saying "Owned By --- his alias" http://pastehtml.com/view/1egrd7c.html
Im not sure who those other stated people are, but idk if they are even relevant.
Anonops then gets really annoyed because this made them look bad again (once again, they dont protest like this, and try to fight for peoples rights, and not their bank information...). And so they put up on their website "Owned by -- some guy from anonops" and all of ryan clearlys information.

I looked this guy up, and he has threatened many bloggers, and even ddosed them to try and prevent them from hosting information about him.


Anons reputation is falling rapidly due to these actions and some could even say falling apart with so many of them having their personal details, and even location leaked out onto the internet.

Also the title is ment to say rogue not rouge lol.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 06:56
Quote: "Also the title is ment to say rogue not rouge lol.
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I just thought he was wearing makeup

Quote: "Anons reputation is falling rapidly due to these actions and some could even say falling apart with so many of them having their personal details, and even location leaked out onto the internet.
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Well they had no reputation to lose with me in the first place. I don't mind if they want to protest, but the protesters who stand outside stores are NOT anonymous (meant as the word not the organisation) they believe in what they are doing and put a name to that face. The people in anonymous hide behind their computers, and claim they fight for the rights of people. Well they're not fighting for MY rights, and never have they. It seems to me they only like to 'fight' high profile things and stroke their egos while they're at it. I speak with my wallet, if Sony irritate me I won't buy their product... it's that simple. If Sony wants to sue a guy who made it easy for pirates to pirate PS3 games (whether that was his intention or not) then they have a right to do that. Who is anonymous to say otherwise.

I had numerous problems with a defective Kodak camera, their service was obnoxious and they wasted my time on numerous occasions. I have never since bought a kodak product of any form. Nor has my wife or anyone else in our immediate family. That's not a huge amount of lost sales but they surely didn't only irritate us, so add up all those people who stop buying from you because of poor service and it will start to take its toll. Even though many places now don't believe 'the customer is always right'... they are... even when they're wrong... I still shop somewhere well out of my way simply because of the good service I get there.

Instead of having a massive nerd rage, and DDoSing Sony all the people who truly didn't like what Sony were doing should have stopped buying Sony products. It would have had a much bigger impact and you can bet that Sony would have changed their tune.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 12:51 Edited at: 17th May 2011 13:11
Anon are cyber terrorists, self righteous, but still cyber terrorists, folk say what they do is a protest, but there are perfectly moral and legal ways of protesting and 'sticking it to the man', by the way anonymous operates it only takes 1 person to ruin it, somebody to go too far and that's when it really starts to suck - you've got hackers capable of really screwing people over. But what I can say is kudos to them for giving the guy's details to the police - I think what I would find worthy of respect is if anonymous were a group of hackers who brought cyber criminals to justice and they do sometimes. It's the attacks I can't support. I understand protest, but I think there are better ways of doing it without using terrorism, because at the end of the day when you hack a business's network and shut down their systems or even steal data then it's cyber terrorism.

If you get folk boycotting, then businesses start to lose money and it's perfectly legal. I'm sure anon could easily get supporters, particularly if they dedicating their hacking efforts to expose cyber criminals instead of being cyber terrorists themselves, if they hit a cause I dig, then I'd support them if they did things a better way. I think their method wouldn't say, make Sony bend to their will, but make them more vigilant and to retaliate with harsher legal action.

As Thraxas has said, get people to stop buying Sony products, Sony has competitors so people can buy products off of their competitors. Sony would have to win back their customers. I say it to people who claim downloading illegally is to stick it to the businesses who make people unhappy for any given reason.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 14:18
Yeh, but boycotts don't work. Look at Left4Dead 2.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 15:00
Quote: "Yeh, but boycotts don't work. Look at Left4Dead 2.
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Boycotts work when the people who say they will boycott actually boycott. Otherwise it's just words.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 15:42
That's the problem, for all intents and purposes, people go out and buy it anyway.

You could have a news report that the new PS4 has a 3D technology that causes eye-cancer, but people'd still buy it. Thing is, 90% of the gaming community, the CoD-era ones, don't care about the companies, they just want games that other people play because other people play them and are therefore cool.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 17:58
It's difficult to get enough people to care, but at the same time it's not right for you to take things into your own hands because you care enough. If you feel the law is wrong on something lobby your politicians and get enough people to care enough to push the politicians to sign a bill and vote, if you don't like what a company does and it's well within their legal right to do it, then there's not much you can do unless you find a means of convincing the company to change. Boycott and protest is a means of doing it, not everybody cares enough, but when they do it is capable of being successful.

At the end of the day, they don't HAVE to do what you say and using fear to trick them into doing it is both manipulative and immoral. The point of protest is to have the masses on your side, if people care more about using the product, then it's not a big deal for them and so you don't have much of a leg to stand on. Anonymous felt Sony shouldn't have sued a guy for hacking his Playstation 3, even though people pay licenses for software (including operating software) and therefore do not own the right to do as they please with them. Anonymous are welcome to their opinion on the situation, after all, just because the law was in favour of Sony doesn't necessarily mean you have to agree with it on moral grounds, but all you can do is make your best effort to convince them that they're wrong, not to use cyber terrorism.

Don't get me wrong, I understand Anonymous's motives and I think it's great they want to get up and act for some 'greater' causes they feel passionate about, but I'm afraid I can't go along with cyber-terrorism.

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Posted: 17th May 2011 20:31
Quote: "I understand Anonymous's motives and I think it's great they want to get up and act for some 'greater' causes they feel passionate about, but I'm afraid I can't go along with cyber-terrorism."

This is exactly my point of view.

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Quote: "I understand Anonymous's motives and I think it's great they want to get up and act for some 'greater' causes"


I don't think you do. Their motives are to cause trouble for da lulz, and they throw in a few things that make it seem like they are doing it for a 'cause'. They aren't. The majority of their reported acts are malicious, there's no denying that.



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Posted: 18th May 2011 04:16 Edited at: 18th May 2011 04:17
Maybe you are right Ben, though it is possible that there are self-righteous hackers in Anonymous, or maybe the whole 'we're doing it for a good cause' is a part of the lulz, "trollololololol people take us seriously". It's hard to tell when people can so easily BS on the net and for people to take their word for it.

I know of Anonymous' other attacks, such as hacking a photosensitive epileptic support website to replace it with content that could cause an epileptic fit. Stuff like that is definitely people playing sick jokes.

If they are genuine as far as motives go, even if they're the minority in their group, then I can understand their points. Perhaps they should separate themselves from Anon altogether and try a better tactic. At least then there's no ambiguity on whether it's for the lulz in pure anon fashion or genuine protest. I suppose it's like being a member of the BNP and trying to establish yourself as a non-racist.

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Posted: 18th May 2011 09:58
Anonymous is not just about hacking. Don't forget these people: Jake Brahm, Pekka-Eric Auvinen, Jarrad Willis, Robert Hawkins.

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Posted: 18th May 2011 10:41
I would like to say that a true protest is about violation of rights... we are talking about commercial commoditys that no one has to buy. Really. Hacking is wrong, no matter how you slice it. Im not really sure what there is to protest. No one needs square enix, sony or any other entertainment to survive. If you dont like thier policies dont buy from them. These companies do what they do to defend thier investments. To what extremes is up to them. I dont see were this gives anyone a right to effect thier profits with malicious acts, and hacking is a malicious act. Period. This must be some group with the "big corp screwing us over conspiricy " brainwashed into their febble minds additude. At some point it should be blamed on consumer stupidity, not corrupt business. Just like everything else society becomes more about protecting the retarded rather then promoting the part of community that uses thier heads. Another among the groups that protect the ones who cant take resonsibility for their own ignorance.

I just think ppl should be held acountable for thier actions and not have a bs group defend your rights to play comercial vidoe games... which is not really a right anyway.

As diluted as all this is... out of all the things to protest. This is about the most idiotic.

Then again let me get back to you after researching what they are truly about at my leisure.

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Posted: 18th May 2011 11:13 Edited at: 18th May 2011 11:16
if anyone is curious about this heres a link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)

From history i cant tell too things... there is no definate motive or goal and really they are hit and miss. Doing as much harm as they do good.

scratch that. they do more harm then good. though i can say the thing about the sexual preditor is agreeable.

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PrimalBeans,

Quote: "I would like to say that a true protest is about violation of rights... we are talking about commercial commoditys that no one has to buy. Really. Hacking is wrong, no matter how you slice it. Im not really sure what there is to protest. No one needs square enix, sony or any other entertainment to survive. If you dont like thier policies dont buy from them. These companies do what they do to defend thier investments. To what extremes is up to them. I dont see were this gives anyone a right to effect thier profits with malicious acts, and hacking is a malicious act. Period. This must be some group with the "big corp screwing us over conspiricy " brainwashed into their febble minds additude. At some point it should be blamed on consumer stupidity, not corrupt business. Just like everything else society becomes more about protecting the retarded rather then promoting the part of community that uses thier heads. Another among the groups that protect the ones who cant take resonsibility for their own ignorance. "


One of the best and most insightful posts of the year.

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Quote: "Hacking is wrong, no matter how you slice it. "

Baddum-dum, tsh!

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Quote: "I would like to say that a true protest is about violation of rights... we are talking about commercial commoditys that no one has to buy. Really. Hacking is wrong, no matter how you slice it. Im not really sure what there is to protest. No one needs square enix, sony or any other entertainment to survive. If you dont like thier policies dont buy from them. These companies do what they do to defend thier investments. To what extremes is up to them. I dont see were this gives anyone a right to effect thier profits with malicious acts, and hacking is a malicious act. Period. This must be some group with the "big corp screwing us over conspiricy " brainwashed into their febble minds additude. At some point it should be blamed on consumer stupidity, not corrupt business. Just like everything else society becomes more about protecting the retarded rather then promoting the part of community that uses thier heads. Another among the groups that protect the ones who cant take resonsibility for their own ignorance."


This. Beautifully said. You're absolutely right.

Not to mention, "Anonymous" is just an umbrella term that most people use online. I hear at least 10 people around campus talking about how they got involved in Anyonmous, etc. which is actually quite funny, as they act like it's such a secretive organization.

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If you tell people that you're a member of anonymous are you then still a member?

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Nah, you're just a tool

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If you tell people that you're a member of anonymous, were you ever?

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They are watching us.

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Whoa! That's scary!

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