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bitJericho
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Posted: 30th May 2011 21:19 Edited at: 30th May 2011 21:19


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CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 30th May 2011 22:12
Cool! It's a real shame they're getting rid of the Space Shuttles now though, I haven't seen their new replacement yet. Hopefully it looks all scifi and awesome.

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Posted: 31st May 2011 00:24
They would have new space shuttles by now if they didn't scrap the programs over and over again to build new more advanced models. They'd get half-way done and cancel it.

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Posted: 31st May 2011 00:26
The only thing I find the space program useful for, is to see what might crash into earth, and to detect harmful changes in the atmosphere / the sun. That's really all I find use for. Let's face it, we will never end up living on other planets. With the cuts in the space program budget, we're not going anywhere anytime soon.

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Posted: 31st May 2011 00:49
Quote: "The only thing I find the space program useful for, is to see what might crash into earth, and to detect harmful changes in the atmosphere / the sun. That's really all I find use for"


And apart from all the technology that gets filtered down to the consumer level, advances in not just experimental physics, but biology, engineering and medicine.

Quote: "Let's face it, we will never end up living on other planets"


Why? In all honesty, the prospect of planetary colonisation gets less and less far-fetched with each passing year and its a vital step to sending man deeper and deeper into space.
At the moment its not the main focus, but that doesn't mean to say its never going to happen.

The main focus will mainly be, "How do we efficiently get man/materials out of Earth's gravitational pull?". At the moment, the way humans travel into space is incredibly wasteful and inefficient. There are more efficient ways to get into space.

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Posted: 31st May 2011 01:38
At home - my parents house - we have a set of encyclopedias from the 1950's that say it's impossible to go to the moon because it would take too many lifetimes and you couldn't carry enough supplies for the trip. They show a picture of an airplane flying toward the moon.

Now someone says we'll never colonize other planets. Well, I know it'll happen because I've seen it on StarTrek. When it comes time to go, we'll have figured out how to do it.

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Posted: 31st May 2011 01:42
Eventually we will get to other planets. It's just a matter of finding faster propulsion methods.

Although it will probably stay a massive expense for a very long time, so it will most likely be governmental control.

Also a corporation that built a spaceship would see no return on it. They'd create a multi-billion pound masterpiece that if it succeeded, would never come back. Or if it failed, they'd probably never know.

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Posted: 31st May 2011 05:10
Quote: "finding faster propulsion methods"


Orrrrr.. stop trying to go STRAIGHT UP!
Which is easier, peddling a bike up a cliff or up a gradual hill?

The last I read this is the basic phylosophy they were looking at with the next generation shuttles.

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Posted: 31st May 2011 05:26
Quote: "Eventually we will get to other planets. It's just a matter of finding faster propulsion methods."


Making a hyperspace engine that uses warp drive is an actual theory and we can test if it's really possible on the Z-Machine but the people that control the Z-Machine refuse to test the theory out. So here we are stuck with primitive rocket engines because some brainy snob doesn't want to think beyond his own limited view of the universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_machine

http://news.scotsman.com/science/Welcome-to-Mars-express-only.2739585.jp

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 04:49 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2011 04:52
Quote: "Which is easier, peddling a bike up a cliff or up a gradual hill?"


I could have swornt hat I learned in physics class that it took just as much work to go straight up a hill, as opposed to walking up it at a smaller incline. By the time you reach the same altitude, the amount of work done is equivalent. I think the real question is, do you want to do the work over the course of 5 minutes, or 5 seconds? Apparently we chose the 5 second route, because we're just impatient like that.

@Grog:

The theory itself poses danger. To test it out in a lab on earth isn't just as dangerous as trying to make mini blackholes. You'd be talking about testing the theory of slipping into another dimension, a place we don't even know is real, let alone if it would be a suitable location for animals (or even matter itself) to reside.

Best place to do that kind of work, in my eyes, is in space. But, hey, I'm talking out of my nose here. For all I know, they're already doing it. I mean, that article was written in 2006, stating it could be achieveable "in 5 years"...


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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 11:49 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2011 11:51
Na, they still haven't tested it and still refuse to do it... but not because of safety concerns. The people that support the theory say it's closer to the theory of everything (unification) than anybody else has done. Maybe that doesn't sit too well with the guys that run the Z-Machine or maybe their just "a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes".

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 12:09
Quote: "Let's face it, we will never end up living on other planets. With the cuts in the space program budget, we're not going anywhere anytime soon.
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Sad but true...we COULD achieve so much but we don't have the money.
I believe science in any form (except weaponry) should be kept outside of the financial system and have unlimited funds.
Its simply mindraping that our best scientists work for companys just to get them better products for more money without getting humanity anywhere.


However!! I'm absolutely against testing such devices on earth for the same reason that Plystire described. It is something that should be done in space. Perhaps on Mars within the next few decades. I overheard plans are going in that direction.



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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 12:24 Edited at: 2nd Jun 2011 12:30
People said the Large Hadron Collider was going to send the Earth careening into a black hole but that didn't happen. Scientists bringing about doomsday from their crazy experiments only happens on movies.

If we wait till it can be tested in space it'll never be tested. To make another Z-Machine in space would cost a lot more than the 90 million it cost to make the Earth based one... and I doubt anybody wants to spend that kind of money for a single theory.

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 13:43
In class yesterday I had to right a report on whether commercial space travel is financially possible.

Is that related?

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 14:34
Quote: "By the time you reach the same altitude, the amount of work done is equivalent."


Actually, you have to consider that if you take longer to do it you'll have the force of gravity exerted on you for a longer time, which will require more energy.



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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 15:06
Quote: "Scientists bringing about doomsday from their crazy experiments only happens on movies."


Well...it could only happen once...



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Posted: 2nd Jun 2011 19:24
^Yeh.

Also if slipspace drives get invented, I will finally feel that mankind lives up to the reputation it gives itself in sci-fi movies.

On the other hand, you'd need a vessel the size of a cruise liner, with impressive build quality to prevent leaks, armoured against raditaion and micro-meteors, with a fusion reactor used to power the hypothetical slipspace engine.

The reality is the only impossible part is the fusion reactor and the engine. Mankind just wastes away it's money on silly things like feeding people or ensuring free healthcare, rather than building a multi-billion pound space-liner that could implode on it's maiden voyage.

The fact is science is slow. We could find a design for a plasma gun, but you need to bring portable power generation into line with it, as well as improved electromagnets, etc, etc.

Maybe one day, but not 'til we sorted things on this planet first.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 00:16
Quote: "Well...it could only happen once..."


My thoughts exactly! A true doomsday only needs to happen once.

Quote: "Sad but true...we COULD achieve so much but we don't have the money.
I believe science in any form (except weaponry) should be kept outside of the financial system and have unlimited funds.
Its simply mindraping that our best scientists work for companys just to get them better products for more money without getting humanity anywhere."


Completely agree.


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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 00:23
Considering the cost of living, I think we can ease off the hyperspatial research for now.

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