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Stormwire
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 02:36 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 02:48
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Quote: "Pretty prejudice dude. A lot of good parents would probably disagree. They know it doesn't do any harm, so why cut their freedom?"


They wouldn't be good parents then and they can raise there child how they want but if the law found out they would have there children taken off them for good reason.

These "services" are over 18 for a reason and this site is aimed at kids and adults. Children and adult "entertainment" should never mix. It would leave a child scarred for life. Now I don't mean the child would be sitting in a corner rocking back and forth. I mean they would grow up thinking this behavior is normal and ok. It is neither. There is nothing wrong with sex but this crap isn't sex and neither is all the other crap online. At the least it is perverse fantasy at the most it is dehumanizing both men and women.

Is there anything wrong with a bit of class?

Quote: "I would say it's pretty much impossible to completely limit a child's exposure to sex and relationships, and to do so can be damaging anyway. I'm not particularly old, and I've been exposed to a fair amount, and right now I don't feel like clawing my eyes out... I know that a fair few of my friends have done it underage, and they all seem fine and balanced. This is one of those things that I would say is based more on a person's maturity than actual age - some kids can handle it, some adults can't. And vice versa, obviously."


I agree with you completely. Very mature post by the way and I hope that doesn't sound condescending its not meant to be Sex is a mine field no matter what the age or sex of the persons involved. Some people crack up over normal stuff and some don't crack at all when introduced (forcibly or not) to more damaging sexual conduct. It really is dependent on the person but you have no way of telling until after the fact. Also there is an extreme difference between real world experience and the dirt online. Reality will teach you the truth of sex while crap online will only foster resentment or dehumanize the opposite sex. I say go for the real thing not the perv fantasy

As for the whole underage debate. There is no age group in nature. Age is just a human construct to give society a way of ordering people. As you said it is down to the maturity of the individual not the age. There has to be limits though lol
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 02:39 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 02:43
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Quote: "Is there anything wrong with a bit of class?"

of course there isn't...

But what are you trying to get to? Content like what you are arguing about will always exist. You can choose to ignore it, but regardless of your opinion, the internet's still going to be filled with it.
It's not TGCs fault for having that ad show up. In fact, it's more than likely that you will be one of the only people that sees that particular ad on this forums, for the simple reason that they are personalized based on the user. I certainly don't know how the google adsense algorithms work, but something from whatever thread you were viewing combined with your location brought up that ad. Not TGC.

If you don't like seeing those ads, use Adblock and stop complaining about it. It's that simple.

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Quote: "They wouldn't be good parents then and they can raise there child how they want but if the law found out they would have there children taken off them for good reason.

These "services" are over 18 for a reason and this site is aimed at kids and adults. Children and adult "entertainment" should never mix. It would leave a child scarred for life. Now I don't mean the child would be sitting in a corner rocking back and forth. I mean they would grow up thinking this behavior is normal and ok. It is neither. There is nothing wrong with sex but this crap isn't sex and neither is all the other crap online. At the least it is perverse fantasy at the most it is dehumanizing both men and women."


You are so narrow-minded and anti-liberal that I'm not even going to make an attempt to reason with you. Have a nice day, I'm going to enjoy life without being insulted by little arbitrary things that go on around me.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 02:51 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 02:54
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Quote: "You are so narrow-minded and anti-liberal that I'm not even going to make an attempt to reason with you. Have a nice day, I'm going to enjoy life without being insulted by little arbitrary things that go on around me."


Aren't you being anti-conservative?

Quote: "Anyone else getting the following adds on this forum?"


Because I'm in this thread, yes.
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Without getting too political (forum rules etc), I'm just pointing out that nobody has moral authority over anyone else, and people should be free to make their own judgements on things. That being said, I believe you are also free to judge these people as you want. End of the day, freedom of judgement prevails - let's respect it!

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 02:55 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 03:00
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@thenerd

My location yes. Anything I browsed no. I don't search for stuff like that. You obviously do though since you are defending it so much And my add block is now on but since people keep replying to me it is only good manners to reply back. It is a forum after all

Also in relation to the adds themselves. You can choose what third party domains your adds come from. It has been a while since I have used Adsense but I am sure you can block them. You must have that option or why would so many sites be using Adsense. Many sites online would loose there traffic if Adsense showed these adds on them. Obviously not here lol

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Why are you talking like an American? Your from Scotland apparently. I am from Ireland. There is no liberal or conservative parties here. As I said you want the perv fantasy then go for it. Me I will stick with class and reality. And if you ever have kids then make sure no one hears about you letting them view filth online. Liberal or conservative the law is the law.
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Quote: "Without getting too political (forum rules etc), I'm just pointing out that nobody has moral authority over anyone else, and people should be free to make their own judgements on things. That being said, I believe you are also free to judge these people as you want. End of the day, freedom of judgement prevails - let's respect it!"


I also will try not to get political, but you seem to be promoting tolerance. Why should you impose your view of tolerance on other people like Stormwire or me?
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Quote: "Without getting too political (forum rules etc), I'm just pointing out that nobody has moral authority over anyone else, and people should be free to make their own judgements on things. That being said, I believe you are also free to judge these people as you want. End of the day, freedom of judgement prevails - let's respect it!"


HAHA practice what you preach
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Benjamin, I'm sorry to say, but you are no longer the official king of trolling. You've been bested...

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I was being serious.
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Ok now I am lost who is talking to who now?
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 03:09 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 03:10
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the matter. Different people are offended by different things. No one person has the correct view, only their own view, which can never be wrong even if you don't understand why they feel the way they do*.





*Unless their view differs wildly from my own, then they are, without a doubt, wrong...

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Quote: "HAHA practice what you preach"


I am. You are judging the ads, I am thus judging you, and you are thus judging me. It's a beautiful, free system You'd rather everyone agreed with you.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 03:22
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Quote: "Unless their view differs wildly from my own, then they are, without a doubt, wrong... "


Exactly lol

Quote: "I am. You are judging the ads, I am thus judging you, and you are thus judging me. It's a beautiful, free system "


Eh I never judged you. I judged the adds alright and parents that let there children look at them but then the latter is backed up by the law for good reason.

Quote: "You'd rather everyone agreed with you."


Ill quote Thraxas here again

Quote: "Unless their view differs wildly from my own, then they are, without a doubt, wrong... "


They don't have to agree with me but they will always be wrong lol
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The fact that you posted the link to the "dirty" ad in a thread has done more damage than the ad being there could have possibly done(at least from the "it's inappropriate for here" perspective.

I came into this thread expecting something dirty, and shenanigans.

And all I got was shenanigans I am dissapoint.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 03:31
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Quote: "The fact that you posted the link to the "dirty" ad in a thread has done more damage than the ad being there could have possibly done(at least from the "it's inappropriate for here" perspective.

I came into this thread expecting something dirty, and shenanigans.

And all I got was shenanigans I am dissapoint."


You found me out I am actually the owner of that site and I did all this to get more clicks I will do my best to add more shenanigans for you
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... All this conservative vs liberal stuff has confused me, where I live they're in a coalition together!

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I CAN SEE How this can be offencive to some yunger kids here and how I would not want my child see this site or add. And how goggle adds dont care what they advertise and how this is a huge problem with kids today.

This being said I cant see how the game creators think any of us really click on these said ads in the first place, im shure most of us dont,but I could be wrong, this thread here is proof some of us do.

If I where a profeshinal web site that catered to children wich the game creators are, I would take off all goggle adds just for this reason. Or I would never allow my child to come on this fourm or the main web site just in case..

No offence to the game creators them selfs but I do think most people are desenitive to sex or even dating sites or wemon half dreesed on web sites so they just dont care any more like we used to,But I still do care for my childrens sake.

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Quote: "I would never allow my child to come on this fourm or the main web site just in case.."


If you plan on sheltering your child from horrible things on par with these ads, I'd keep them off the internet, in the house, never in school, don't let them watch tv. Might as well chain them in the basement to be safe.

Right or wrong, advertising like this is EVERYWHERE. Teaching kids to understand what's right, wrong, appropriate, and inappropriate is what actually needs to be done. Sweeping things under the rug and hiding them rather than promoting proper awareness I think is the biggest problem going on when things like this come up.

If you hide something from someone that they're inevitably going to run into, they're going to have no idea how to handle it. That's just ignorant behavior in my opinion.

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Why can't you teach them how to handle it, and then still hide it from them?
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Quote: "Why can't you teach them how to handle it, and then still hide it from them?"


I'm not saying don't try to keep them away from it. But I'm not a fan of extremes, and it seems like everything has to be to an extreme nowadays. Expecting to keep your child from seeing anything inappropriate, and barring them from legitimate venues simply because they might run into something remotely shady is excessive.

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Wait, can I select these by Haircolor?

I actually never saw something like this around here... maybe because I run adblocker...



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Why do you need to hide it from them? If you teach them what is right and wrong, what is moral and immoral, you shouldn't need to 'hide' them from anything. And I wouldn't exactly call internet dating immoral, even though it's not my thing.



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So this DART cookie tracks the ads you see on other websites which also use Adsense? I sure don't like that anymore than how websites can access certain Facebook stuff if I'm logged in. I already have one plugin to stop FB tracking, now I have to get another one to stop ad tracking? Time to get Incognito on my favorite sites!

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I'm actually offended by that ad too but not for the same reason. I view life like a Ferengi from Star Trek.

The Ferengi first encounter with Humans - "And they clothe their women allowing other people to unclothe them... the very depths of perversion!"

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Quote: "Why do you need to hide it from them? If you teach them what is right and wrong, what is moral and immoral, you shouldn't need to 'hide' them from anything. And I wouldn't exactly call internet dating immoral, even though it's not my thing."


Yeah, I wasn't saying anything about this ad or internet dating in particular. But it's good to hide things, even if they know what is right and wrong. It does not mean they'll actually do what's right if they know what's right, and having it there will just tempt them. If, for example, a parent tells a kid not to play with guns, but then leaves his gun on a low-shelf....well...
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 09:41 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 10:27
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Quote: "These "services" are over 18 for a reason and this site is aimed at kids and adults. Children and adult "entertainment" should never mix. It would leave a child scarred for life. Now I don't mean the child would be sitting in a corner rocking back and forth. I mean they would grow up thinking this behavior is normal and ok. It is neither. There is nothing wrong with sex but this crap isn't sex and neither is all the other crap online. At the least it is perverse fantasy at the most it is dehumanizing both men and women.
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first of all, these services are for over 18 to prevent adults from dating children, aka pedophiles, which brings me to this:

Quote: "Ask any parent and they will tell you that they don't want there kid near this filth. Well, any good parent"


well, a bit eartly for me to say anything about this really, but do you really think a 10 year old would really go on there, sign up, put a picture up and date a 35 year old? I mean really?

and there is nothing, absolutly nothing on that site that says: "MEET YOUR SEX PARTNER NOW"...

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Please keep MLP to the MLP thread, it has no place elsewhere on this forum "


pff most of it yah, but I still believe it was enough of an innocent joke! x)

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The Ferengi first encounter with Humans - "And they clothe their women allowing other people to unclothe them... the very depths of perversion!"
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What kind of point of view is that? Nuke this race!



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The Ferengi first encounter with Humans - "And they clothe their women allowing other people to unclothe them... the very depths of perversion!"



ehh, what..? she is clothed like a regular human being.... what ar.. WHAT?!

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This was like a prediction for last night's fun in town.

Thank you adverts you steered me well.

hmm well this has got out of hand a little. You guys need to chill since for all intesive purposes your working off a induendo of a advert. I mean come on, grow up? an if your at that age for viewing this site and talking to people, then best bet's you already search for worse things yourself.

But if your strangly annoyed by these adverts, i suggest you use this;

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/

I havent seen a sidebar advert in a very long time with this.


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Quote: "So this DART cookie tracks the ads you see on other websites which also use Adsense? I sure don't like that anymore than how websites can access certain Facebook stuff if I'm logged in. I already have one plugin to stop FB tracking, now I have to get another one to stop ad tracking? Time to get Incognito on my favorite sites!"


Yeh that's why I use sandboxie. Once the browser is closed everything is gone. You don't need to go near this dirt to get tagged and tracked for all manner of reasons. That Facebook thing is why I stopped using Facebook altogether. I hated going to sites I had never been to before and them popping up crap based on my Facebook content.

Quote: "That's just ignorant behavior in my opinion."


It is ignorance to act like this sort of thing doesn't affect children negatively. I don't know who said it but desensitizing kids to this type of filth is a major problem at the moment. Many people getting upset here because they feel some of us are attacking there favorite pass time lol are an example of this. And again it is not sex I am against it is this dirt being fobbed of as sex to young ones that don't know any better. It is damaging to a child's development. Anyway why play handball when you can play tennis Even two on two lol



Quote: "But I'm not a fan of extremes"


Stopping kids from viewing filth is not an extreme. Letting them view it would definitely be considered an extreme. Having an open attitude to sex is very healthy but again this is not sex this is degenerative dirt nothing more.

Quote: "And I wouldn't exactly call internet dating immoral"


In fairness we are not talking about internet dating. This crap is as far from dating as you can get.

Quote: "Yeah, I wasn't saying anything about this ad or internet dating in particular. But it's good to hide things, even if they know what is right and wrong. It does not mean they'll actually do what's right if they know what's right, and having it there will just tempt them. If, for example, a parent tells a kid not to play with guns, but then leaves his gun on a low-shelf....well... "


Yep that is it exactly. They will hear stuff from there friends or see stuff we would rather they didn't but allowing it and not keeping track of your child's browsing habits is just bad parenting. Also I think the ones that are defending this are very young. They wouldn't have the understanding of how this sort of thing affects developing kids and young adults. Even though they are showing the effects in there posts

Quote: "first of all, these services are for over 18 to prevent adults from dating children, aka pedophiles, which brings me to this: "


Eh no. These "services" are 18+ to keep anyone under that age group from being negatively effected. These are not dating sites. The fact you think they are is worrying and exactly why they need to be taken down.

Quote: "well, a bit eartly for me to say anything about this really, but do you really think a 10 year old would really go on there, sign up, put a picture up and date a 35 year old? I mean really?

and there is nothing, absolutly nothing on that site that says: "MEET YOUR SEX PARTNER NOW"..."


Of course they would. A child is a very curious creature Do you remember being ten. I know I went places I definitely shouldn't have lol Again there is a place for this sort of thing and a game site focused on children and adults is not one of them. Next you will all be telling me it is OK to have adult content on the nickelodeon website. You wouldn't see this filth there for good reason. They would loose all there traffic for one!

Many of you seem to think I am saying "down with this sort of thing". Well I am not. What I am saying is this is not the place. I know the younger generation wants to rail against anything that isn't within there short sited pseudo liberal views but age will change that. To be honest it is too late for most of you. Hopefully you will grow out of it and see things as they are. Go for the real thing you will be much happier

Quote: "Please keep MLP to the MLP thread, it has no place elsewhere on this forum"


My little pony so skinny and boney!XD Sorry I had too

Quote: "hmm well this has got out of hand a little. You guys need to chill since for all intesive purposes your working off a induendo of a advert. I mean come on, grow up? an if your at that age for viewing this site and talking to people, then best bet's you already search for worse things yourself.

But if your strangly annoyed by these adverts, i suggest you use this;"


Nobody is in need of chilling And this is a forum so the posts shall continue! And again this is not appropriate advertising on this forum.
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 15:33 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 15:42
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Stormwire, if you've ever watched normal porn you wouldn't be calling this ad "filth". There's a picture of a fully dressed Irish girl, just as you'd see her walking down the street. It also says you can talk to such Irish girls.

Basically what you're saying that anything on the internet that has anything to do with sex or flirting is "filth" and that children under 18 will be damaged by it. Not true. I've been watching porn since I was 12 and I have a balanced lifestyle and my relationships are perfectly healthy. I'm sure many other forumers would tell you the same thing, if they were willing to admit such stuff. I personally don't have a problem with it.


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I'd also like to point out some more fundamental issues I have with this. The first is that too many people don't trust children to know when they're ready for something. As adults, we often feel we know better than they do about what they're comfortable with. This needs to change, children aren't as stupid as you may think, and they are far more adaptable and flexible than adults are. We should respect this, they are the future generation, and we don't want to raise them as if they're a bunch of wimps that can't handle themselves.

Furthermore, it's extremely naive to suggest that rules can and/or should be applied strictly in every situation. Yes, there is a reason certain websites are 18+, but someone who is 17 could probably get away with it without being mentally damaged by anything. My point is, saying "the law is the law for a reason" is like a slap in the face to those who know they can handle such ads and won't be upset by them, even if they are breaking the law in doing so. By the looks of it, you're more upset by this ad than most 10 year olds would be.

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unitl a mod comes and locks it...

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 15:41 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 15:45
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Quote: "Stormwire, if you've ever watched normal porn you wouldn't be calling this ad "filth". There's a picture of a fully dressed Irish girl, just as you'd see her walking down the street. It also says you can talk to such Irish girls.

Basically what you're saying that anything on the internet that has anything to do with sex or flirting is "filth" and that children under 18 will be damaged by it. Not true. I've been watching porn since I was 12 and I have a balanced lifestyle and my relationships are perfectly healthy. I'm sure many other forumers would tell you the same thing, if they were willing to admit such stuff. I personally don't have a problem with it."


Your missing the point of my posts completely. Your already effected. You find this dirt ok. That is a problem. And what is normal porn? There is proper adult entertainment but porn is just dehumanizing filth. Now go tell your parents what you have been watching since you were 12 and let us all know what they say XD

Quote: "unitl a mod comes and locks it..."


People keep responding so I keep responding. That is the way forums work isn't it? Since the MLP thread is still going I don't see why this one shouldn't as long as people keep taking part. Again that is how forums work. Why do some of you have such a problem with that? The topic may not be to your liking but then these ads are not to my liking
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Quote: "People keep responding so I keep responding. That is the way forums work isn't it? Since the MLP thread is still going I don't see why this one shouldn't as long as people keep taking part. Again that is how forums work. Why do some of you have such a problem with that? The topic may not be to your liking but then these ads are not to my liking"


considering every EVONY ad thread has been locked i wouldnt be surprised if this one was too, iam just pointing it out =P

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 15:51 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 15:52
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Quote: "considering every EVONY ad thread has been locked i wouldnt be surprised if this one was too, iam just pointing it out =P"


I have no idea what Evony is lol but if they were locked because of people talking about them then that would be very sad indeed. On the other hand they were probably locked because of a few overly sensitive forum members

Quote: "I'd also like to point out some more fundamental issues I have with this. The first is that too many people don't trust children to know when they're ready for something. As adults, we often feel we know better than they do about what they're comfortable with. This needs to change, children aren't as stupid as you may think, and they are far more adaptable and flexible than adults are. We should respect this, they are the future generation, and we don't want to raise them as if they're a bunch of wimps that can't handle themselves.

Furthermore, it's extremely naive to suggest that rules can and/or should be applied strictly in every situation. Yes, there is a reason certain websites are 18+, but someone who is 17 could probably get away with it without being mentally damaged by anything. My point is, saying "the law is the law for a reason" is like a slap in the face to those who know they can handle such ads and won't be upset by them, even if they are breaking the law in doing so. By the looks of it, you're more upset by this ad than most 10 year olds would be."


You sound very young yourself. Time will change your view trust me
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 15:51 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 15:58
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Quote: "Your missing the point of my posts completely. Your already effected. You find this dirt ok. That is a problem. And what is normal porn? There is proper adult entertainment but porn is just dehumanizing filth. Now go tell your parents what you have been watching since you were 12 and let us all know what they say XD"


Please explain why this is "filth" and "dirt". I'm sorry, I just don't see it. When I look at the ad, I see normal people doing what they do normally, but using the internet as a means to do it (and not even being sexual about it in any way!). When you look at the ad you see filth. I'd really like to know why you think so, because I don't want to believe that you are being judgemental out of pure spite and bias. It makes you seem like you have no respect for your fellow humans and that you're trying to put yourself above them, when in reality, you have the same needs we all do, just too afraid to admit it.



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About the whole locking the thread thing; I would suggest not to for the moment. We are having a debate - nothing wrong with that! Nobody's fighting in here, but it's fun when things get a little heated



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Quote: "You sound very young yourself. Time will change your view trust me"


This is where rational debate stops and food-fights start. If you want to back this up, please do, but nobody knows how old anybody is here and we don't know anything about each others' life experiences, so don't trust yourself too much in that. I'd prefer it if you actually made a point about the issue.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 15:58 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 16:04
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Quote: "Please explain why this is "filth" and "dirt". I'm sorry, I just don't see it. When I look at the ad, I see normal people doing what they do normally, but using the internet as a means to do it (and not even being sexual about it in any way!). When you look at the ad you see filth. I'd really like to know why you think so, because I don't want to believe that you are being judgemental out of pure spite and bias. It makes you seem like you have no respect for your fellow humans and that you're trying to put yourself above them, when in reality, you have the same needs we all do, just too afraid to admit it."


You don't see it? Seriously? What does dehumanizing mean? That is what happens when a man continually sees a woman as nothing but a sex object or vice versa. It effects how you perceive the opposite sex. And again you are getting very defensive over internet filth. That would be an example of the effects this rubbish has on people. If you had read my post (which you obviously haven't) you will see I have nothing against natural human behavior. The fact you think this crap is natural is another example of its negative effects. You want to be free, you want to live in a non judgmental world? Never gonna happen kid

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About the whole locking the thread thing; I would suggest not to for the moment. We are having a debate - nothing wrong with that! Nobody's fighting in here, but it's fun when things get a little heated "


That is one thing we can always agree on! Those who don't talk fight

Quote: "This is where rational debate stops and food-fights start. If you want to back this up, please do, but nobody knows how old anybody is here and we don't know anything about each others' life experiences, so don't trust yourself too much in that. I'd prefer it if you actually made a point about the issue."


HAHA a bit sensitive about age are we? You think age isn't a factor in how a individual views the world? Of course it is. Certain age groups would view the same topic very differently. There is a reason and it is not maturity. It is a mixture of life experience (which maturity does not bring) and the person in question.
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 15:59 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 16:02
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Quote: "I have no idea what Evony is lol but if they were locked because of people talking about them then that would be very sad indeed. On the other hand they were probably locked because of a few overly sensitive forum members
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they are ads, on a game, which uses naked girls as advertising
someone brought it up, it got locked, basicly, because the mods have no power over the ads as far as i know.

Quote: "About the whole locking the thread thing; I would suggest not to for the moment. We are having a debate - nothing wrong with that! Nobody's fighting in here, but it's fun when things get a little heated
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I was merely pointing out the fact that since every evony ad thread got locked, I personally wouldnt be surprised if this one was too x)


edit: and on the topic: stormwire can you PLEASE explain WHERE there are ANY hints towards sex on that site? have you spoken to anyone on that site? have you gone any further than the first screen? You really cant say it is meant for people to meet up and have sex unless you have, and we cannot prove you any different until we have.

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 16:00 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 16:07
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Stormwire, YOU are the one viewing the women as sex objects! Calling it filth is much worse than being okay with it. Also, you still haven't actually told me why you think it's bad. You just reiterated the same points.

And this is natural behaviour. That's why people do it.


Quote: "HAHA a bit sensitive about age are we? You think age isn't a factor in how a individual views the world? Of course it is. Certain age groups would view the same topic very differently. There is a reason and it is not maturity. It is a mixture of life experience (which maturity does not bring) and the person in question."


I was merely pointing out that you made an assumption that you can't back up about my age and life experience. Granted, you MAY have more life experience than me, but by the same token you may not. You may be older than me, I might be older than you. Anyone who knows a little about critical thinking will understand that using a point that you can't back up will not give you a sound argument, and will only serve to make you look like an idiot.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 16:11 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 16:14
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I, too, honestly don't know what's wrong with this ad, as other people have stated: She's wearing normal clothes, the word "sex" and none of it's synonyms is written anywhere on that page and the woman isn't portrayed in a way that would make her a sex object.

If anyone sees this kind of ad and automatically assumes it's sexual, then the person is, in my opinion, old enough to view such an ad, since it's actually the person's mind that interprets it as a sexual offer / place to meet people for this activity.

When things like this are considered "filth", "immoral" or as "dehumanizing" women noone of us should go swimming anymore, since children could see too much skin and be "scarred for life".

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 16:12 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 16:18
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Quote: "Stormwire, YOU are the one viewing the women as sex objects! Calling it filth is much worse than being okay with it. Also, you still haven't actually told me why you think it's bad. You just reiterated the same points.

And this is natural behaviour. That's why people do it."


People kill each other for many reasons and we do not view that as natural behavior. Children get treated in some god awful ways and we do not view that as natural behavior. Why would you think women whoring themselves is natural? Ok so you don't see it as cheap debasing pervy entertainment. I get that but then that is the effect watching this filth from a young age will have on you. I am sure it will take more than just these adds but considering you have been watching worse since you were twelve then that would explain your desensitized view.

Quote: "and on the topic: stormwire can you PLEASE explain WHERE there are ANY hints towards sex on that site? have you spoken to anyone on that site? have you gone any further than the first screen? You really cant say it is meant for people to meet up and have sex unless you have, and we cannot prove you any different until we have."


The 18+ and semi naked woman (who is about as Irish as a taco) would not only imply but pretty much shout sexual content. Read between the lines that's what they are hoping you do

Quote: "I, too, honestly don't know what's wrong with this ad, as other people have stated: She's wearing normal clothes, the word "sex" and none of it's synonyms is written anywhere on that page and the woman isn't portrayed in a way that would make her a sex object.

If anyone sees this kind of ad and automatically assumes it's sexual, then the person is, in my opinion, old enough to view such an ad, since it's actually the person's mind that interprets it as a sexual offer / place to meet people for this activity."


Are you being purposely naive? There is only one reason for this kind of filth and that is to make money off asocial young men. And that is why it is insulting.

Quote: "I was merely pointing out that you made an assumption that you can't back up about my age and life experience. Granted, you MAY have more life experience than me, but by the same token you may not. You may be older than me, I might be older than you. Anyone who knows a little about critical thinking will understand that using a point that you can't back up will not give you a sound argument, and will only serve to make you look like an idiot."


You seem to perceive insults in everyone of my posts. I am not attacking or trying to insult you. Being of a younger age is not an insult. Having a different world view to my own is not an insult. Chillax we are here to make games and have friendly chats with a bit of friendly ribbing. That is all
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Quote: "People kill each other for many reasons and we do not view that as natural behavior. Children get treated in some god awful ways and we do not view that as natural behavior. Why would you think women whoring themselves is natural? Ok so you don't see it as cheap debasing pervy entertainment. I get that but then that is the effect watching this filth from a young age will have on you. I am sure it will take more than just these adds but considering you have been watching worse since you were twelve then that would explain your desensitized view."


Ok so let's clear things up. First of all, equating this ad with killing and child abuse is just nonsense. Sex is the most natural behaviour of all - it's how we continue our species. Flirting is just the "politics" around sex. It is indeed, very natural.

But that's neither here nor there. What I really have a problem with is how insulting you are being to regular people. I see people who use this website and others like it as perfectly normal (even the women who agree to it). I have as much respect for them as the next person. You, on the other hand, consider them "whores", and yet you think I am dehumanizing them? Are you serious?

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Quote: "The 18+ and semi naked woman"


WHAT?! she is wearing JEANS AND A SHIRT!? AND THATS SEMI NAKED?!
so not to be semi naked you have to wear a jacket and such?

then you should apply that to men too in my opinion.

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 16:24 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 16:26
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Quote: "Ok so let's clear things up. First of all, equating this ad with killing and child abuse is just nonsense. Sex is the most natural behaviour of all - it's how we continue our species. Flirting is just the "politics" around sex. It is indeed, very natural.

But that's neither here nor there. What I really have a problem with is how insulting you are being to regular people. I see people who use this website and others like it as perfectly normal (even the women who agree to it). I have as much respect for them as the next person. You, on the other hand, consider them "whores", and yet you think I am dehumanizing them? Are you serious?"


So you have respect for people that agree with you but have a problem with people that don't agree with you? OK I get it. You want porn everywhere. Porn in the streets! Porn in schools! Porn in church! It is all natural after all. Lets just stick porn or even adult sex lines everywhere. Will that make you happy? Taking a dump is natural isn't it. Why don't we take a dump everywhere? If you have to go then just go. Whether your at your friends wedding or not just go for it.

We limit our behavior to certain places for a reason. Being natural has nothing to do with it. Of course you could try and bring your views into the real world. Go online and ask the MLP magazine if you can advertise a adult chatline on them. Let me know how it goes

Quote: "WHAT?! she is wearing JEANS AND A SHIRT!? AND THATS SEMI NAKED?!
so not to be semi naked you have to wear a jacket and such?"


It has been awhile since I looked at the ad. It still doesn't change the fact that it is inappropriate advertising on a family friendly forum.
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Quote: "So you have respect for people that agree with you but have a problem with people that don't agree with you? OK I get it. You want porn everywhere. Porn in the streets! Porn in schools! Porn in church! It is all natural after all. Lets just stick porn or even adult sex lines everywhere. Will that make you happy? Taking a dump is natural isn't it. Why don't we take a dump everywhere? If you have to go then just go. Whether your at your friends wedding or not just go for it.
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I have respect for people until they start dehumanizing others, which you are. It's got nothing to do with disagreement, I still respect those who disagree with me.

And I wasn't advocating that porn should be everywhere. I don't know where you got that from.

You think women who like to flirt are "whores". I suggest you put your energy somewhere useful and try to enforce the burka. Maybe that would make you happy, seeing as a woman exposing her arms and face is "filth".

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and 18+ is really to prevent younger people to interact with higher aged people, since if all would be able to do that, then iam pretty sure pedophilia would increase by a wast amount. being an 18+ mark doesnt mean its meant for sex
and considering her clothing....

Quote: "It still doesn't change the fact that it is inappropriate advertising on a family friendly forum."


that would be like saying: advertising a movie with a 15+ stample shouldnt be allowed
advertising games with 16+ stample shouldnt be allowed
we are not allowed to advertise basicly anything besides furry little toys. for children.
they cant be black either, because thats not good.


Are you really really suggesting we should only advertise stuff like that? honestly? Considering its all family friendly and such

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 16:39 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 16:41
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Quote: "I have respect for people until they start dehumanizing others, which you are. It's got nothing to do with disagreement, I still respect those who disagree with me.

And I wasn't advocating that porn should be everywhere. I don't know where you got that from.

You think women who like to flirt are "whores". I suggest you put your energy somewhere useful and try to enforce the burka. Maybe that would make you happy, seeing as a women exposing her arms and face is "filth"."


I don't put much faith into respect. It is based on a persons own prejudice. Religious fanatics only respect people that follow there teachings. That sort of thing. Respect is over rated. I brought it up since you seem to think I am not respecting people because they look at this dirt. Why would it matter? I wont be looking at it now and you will continue to look at it and worse. That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. This advertising is inappropriate for this forum. Which you seem to agree with or don't you?

Quote: "that would be like saying: advertising a movie with a 15+ stample shouldnt be allowed
advertising games with 16+ stample shouldnt be allowed
we are not allowed to advertise basicly anything besides furry little toys. for children.
they cant be black either, because thats not good.


Are you really really suggesting we should only advertise stuff like that? honestly? Considering its all family friendly and such"


This post makes little to no sense. Your getting in to race and something about fluffy toys. I am completely lost now
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Posted: 3rd Jun 2011 16:44 Edited at: 3rd Jun 2011 16:45
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If you don't respect another's right to do as they wish without judging them negatively all the time, it just shows you have no empathy with others and can only see things from your own perspective. How do I have a debate with someone who can only see things from one perspective, and has no willingness to change it because he does not respect other people's opinions?

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What Quik was trying to say was actually quite cogent. Where do we draw the line on "family friendly"? Why are blood and guts games and movies ok but a girl wearing clothes is bad? I don't think you're confused at all by what he said.

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thanks Zotoaster, sometimes I do have a bit of a problem trying to formulate like a human being... that Iam aware of x)

and for the record, I am a man.

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