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Geek Culture / Yeah...I Think I'm Done With YouTube. [Rant]

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crispex
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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 08:08
So I haven't had a good rant in a while, thought I'd make one about the new feature of YouTube: reactions. And other crap over the years that has annoyed me.



So I guess they decided that there wasn't already enough annoying features, and they just added "reactions", which are basically the most common coined phrases over the internet in the last 10 years. I would be more impressed if they actually let you type out the reactions you could possibly want, but no, they've given you almost no control, as per usual.

Here's the problem, if you get all these people making these videos that have all this crap on them, people focus more about producing crappy videos just to get funny reactions. Much like the infamous thumb spam, this goes down the same road.

Speaking of thumb spam, why is it that people get a feeling of self-worth if they get a few "Thumbs Up" ratings? Does it REALLY make you that much better of a person?



I remember when YouTube first started. It was about original content, creativity, etc. Now it's just a big attention whore convention. You get more people worried about making the next funny video, than you do about creativity.

Let's move on. The greatest (and by great I mean most annoying) feature of all time: Video Annotations! Yes, for some reason people are attracted to spamming 400 "subscribe" links on their videos. It makes you wonder why they make videos with anything visual, because all they seemingly do is cover the videos, meaning it's not so much what's on screen, as the words in front of what's on screen.

A perfect example:



The next thing: People need to get video editing software, or at least use the crappy ones that come installed on your OS.

This is not a way to write a productive tutorial:



It seems like as the money rolls in, Google caters to those who don't have a single smidgen of creativity nor logic. Most people here produce videos of their games, at least it's creative. I'm talking about the ones who think that they're funny, when they're simply not. Or the ones who say, "To leave your responses, leave them in the comment box below!"

It's like people are getting a feeling of self-worth of a few words written on a computer screen. When someone comments on my videos, I never bother to reply. I generally feel like simply disabling comments and ratings.

Another thing, what makes you think people want to see your face ranting for 3 minutes straight? Rants are to be written in words, not read aloud or not to be expressed in facial expressions.

I'm sorry, but I know I can't be alone on this one. YouTube's quality has severely declined in the past 3 years. It's went from a simple, limited-ad site, to one that requires you sit through a 2 minute Peopsi commercial before you can watch a 20 second clip.

Not to mention, they've given the users even more tools that can be used to completely irritate even the most rational human being. It seems like YouTube wants to do ALL the work for people, and not even let creativity in. Creativity is a thing of the past. It's all about repetition, memes, stupid crap like that.

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Grog Grueslayer
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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 08:39
I hate annotations too but you can turn them off anytime you want and you can change your playback settings to automatically turn them off.

I got a new HD webcam a few months ago and went nuts making stupid videos of myself. All my friends and family insisted I post them on YouTube but I refused even though I think I'm funny too. I wasn't about to add to the annoying chaos that is YouTube.

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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 09:31
I love youtube, so many trolls/idiots to have... interesting conversations with I love that x) also, never seen the reaction system?

the popups saying SUBSCRIIIIIBE can be turned off....

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 11:55
Where is the reaction thing, it's never showed up for me

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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 11:58 Edited at: 4th Jun 2011 12:01
also just for the record: Youtube is meant, for ALL people to be able to share their videos, no matter if its a picture of their desktop, a monkey hitting a tree with its tongue or if its an Anime they have made

its meant for everyone, and making it easier for the noob, to make videos
how is that bad?

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Quote: "Another thing, what makes you think people want to see your face ranting for 3 minutes straight? Rants are to be written in words, not read aloud or not to be expressed in facial expressions."


funny how these videos have tens of thousands of views and more likes than dislikes?
I definitly enjoy those videos, a lot, especially if they actually have something clever to say.

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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 12:10
This sounds more like a rant about YouTube-users than YouTube. I can only applaud YouTube for being a great, useful & accessible way to share videos for people ranging from those who have no clue and big corporations.

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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 17:54
Quote: "This is not a way to write a productive tutorial:"

They tried their best to help you, isnt that a bit insulting and ungrateful?

Quote: "Where is the reaction thing, it's never showed up for me"

I assume it was a beta test, google do that alot.


And the annotations can be turned off, it isnt hard.

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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 19:31
The simple solution to your problems is simply to not watch 3-minute, in-person rants, turn annotations off, don't vote with your reaction, and don't watch tutorials on YouTube. I've been with YouTube since summer '06. My friend, brother, and I made simply awful videos, though we were members of YouTube before any of this happened. Sure, we helped the degrading of YouTube, but we also helped users post tutorials, share their animations, share games, etc.

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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 20:13 Edited at: 4th Jun 2011 20:17
I wish you could still hide comments on youtube. If I can't see the comments I'm fine but if I see them I'm compelled to reply for some reason!

I got slapped on here once for writing WTF so I'm surprised google would have that accronym in their stupid retarded rating thingy. (To clarify, WTF in this instance stands for Who Told Frank?)
I hate all internet speak, I can't even stand lol. What's wrong with haha or hehe or teehee. lol means "lots of love"


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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 20:13
idk sometimes watching those rants is funny, but yeah youtube has gotten quite annoying latley

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Quote: "I wish you could still hide comments on youtube. "

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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 22:01
Yes, there are people who have funny rants, but most of them are boring to watch, and try too hard at being funny. The "reactions" were just launched last night.

I know more people who dislike the annotations than actually like them. Why should we be the ones that have to go and disable them? If you want to see them YOU should have to turn them on, not vice versa.

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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 22:33
You're complaining about a service that is completely free? Talk about an entitlement complex


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Posted: 4th Jun 2011 22:46 Edited at: 4th Jun 2011 23:54
Ok, but I just couldn't resist since no one's said anything yet.

Quote: "This is not a way to write a productive tutorial:"

Ok, so I'm not a huge fan of listening to a 12 year old that hasn't hit puberty trying to teach me something over the internet. If they have a clear, easy to hear voice that doesn't scratch my brain when they speak, then they can do commentary. If they are a 12 year old with a voice that can break a room full of windows when they talk, I instantly navigate away from the video upon hearing the voice and search for another.

Sorry...I thought this was required to point out.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 00:06 Edited at: 5th Jun 2011 00:09
Quote: "You're complaining about a service that is completely free? Talk about an entitlement complex "

I agree, it's the same with Facebook and Twitter - if you don't like them, don't use them, but there's no reason to complain, they're all completely free to use.

And I don't understand how you could become so upset over the things you are complaining about. They all have simple solutions:

Annoying annotations - Turn them off, it takes one button click or just turn them off by default. When they're used correctly, they're a great tool.
Rants - Why would you look up a rant and watch it if you don't like them? What do you care if someone produces something you're not forced to watch? That's like complaining that someone's art or writing sucks - who's forcing you to pay attention to it?
Tutorials - Find better one's. There are tons of tutorials on everything, so just spend another 20 seconds finding a good one.
Reactions - I haven't seen those, and they still don't show up for me. But really, who cares? Why does it matter to you what others rate a video?
Thumbs up spam - Again, why does it matter to you what other people do if it affects you in no way at all? Yes, it's a cry for attention and self-assurance, but it doesn't matter.

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It seems like as the money rolls in, Google caters to those who don't have a single smidgen of creativity nor logic."

How in the world does Google have any control over what kind of people post to YouTube? And how is that in any way related to the amount of money they make?

Quote: "Another thing, what makes you think people want to see your face ranting for 3 minutes straight? Rants are to be written in words, not read aloud or not to be expressed in facial expressions."

Says who? For one, you're not forced to watch them. Secondly, it's a completely different medium. That's like saying movies are stupid - who wants to look at pictures for an hour and a half when you could read a book? And why would I want to read a rant for 3 minutes any more than watch one?

Quote: "I'm sorry, but I know I can't be alone on this one. YouTube's quality has severely declined in the past 3 years. It's went from a simple, limited-ad site, to one that requires you sit through a 2 minute Peopsi commercial before you can watch a 20 second clip."

I will agree ads are annoying. But that's the price that comes with a completely free site, somehow they and their larger contributors have to make money. And ads are only on the more popular channels and videos. Most of them you can skip after 5 seconds. Also, just go to another tab for 20 seconds, it's really not that big of a deal. If you can't spare 20 seconds and do something else, then you probably shouldn't be watching the video in the first place. And you can always go back to the TV where the ads are 3-4 minutes long every 10 minutes.

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Not to mention, they've given the users even more tools that can be used to completely irritate even the most rational human being."

If little things like video annotations on a free site irate you when all you have to do is click a button to turn them off, I consider you far from rational.


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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 02:06
There are some people worth watching on YouTube.

Miss Hannah Minx:


Meekakitty:


It's also a good way to find impossible to find movies that weren't officially made on VHS or DVD.

The Wizard of Speed and Time:


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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 02:15
Quote: "Yes, there are people who have funny rants, but most of them are boring to watch, and try too hard at being funny. The "reactions" were just launched last night."


havent seen a single reactions thing all day, but mkay


and dont watch rants -> simple solution eh?

Quote: "Miss Hannah Minx:"

**shivers**
x)
really though, people worth watching: Tobuscus, Total Halibut, iJustine, thats about all the daily stuff i watch.. x)

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Quote: "The Wizard of Speed and Time:"


Oh. My. Goodness. That was my favourite movie when I was a kid.


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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 11:20
I'm okay with youtube, it's the people on it that bother me. On most videos featuring the girl, there is generally a comment like "nice boobs" that gets 271 upvotes. If I ever uploaded anything on youtube I would disable comments.

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Quote: "Oh. My. Goodness. That was my favourite movie when I was a kid."


Mine too. I'd watch it over and over again. I'm SO glad it's on YouTube.

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TL;DR
Maybe if you had done it as a 3 min Youtube rant, I would have watched it...

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Quote: "You're complaining about a service that is completely free? Talk about an entitlement complex"

Well the title of this thread is "I think I'm done with Youtube", he's not expecting anything to change, just ranting about things that annoy him. Just because something is free doesn't mean it's immune to criticism, but it's true they don't owe us anything.
The fact a lot of us can rant on about a free service is more indicative that it's a good site that we all use a lot. If there was nothing we liked about it we'd just stop using it.


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And saying people aren't entitled to expect things out of a "free" site is kinda ridiculous. At the end of the day, every single website cares what its users thinks. Sure, he might be a minority having complaints right now, but by paying attention to every problem anyone has issues with they can greatly improve their website.

So I never really understood the whole "It's free, shut the hell up!", I mean I've even seen people on paid services saying "You choose to pay for their service, if you don't like it, stop paying and go away." But it's really not an issue of not liking the service. Generally if someone is complaining about a service that means they like it enough to stick around and try to see it get better.

I hate the mentality that users should just shut up and deal with any issues they have with a web service...

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Posted: 5th Jun 2011 23:27 Edited at: 5th Jun 2011 23:28
Quote: "So I never really understood the whole "It's free, shut the hell up!""


Really? So if someone bought you a free coffee, but it was a little bit warm or medium instead of a large, you'd complain out loud? Wouldn't that make you a bit of a jerk?

Quote: "I hate the mentality that users should just shut up and deal with any issues they have with a web service..."


Actually, that's not what I meant. If it's free, then don't "deal" with it. What I meant was, shut up and stop going to the site. You don't need Youtube. That's more accurate


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Rants are to be written in words, not read aloud or not to be expressed in facial expressions.

That is the creed of the interwebz user.




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Quote: "You're complaining about a service that is completely free? Talk about an entitlement complex"


When did I ever say I was entitled to use YouTube? I never did. Let's learn to not make assumptions.

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Quote: "When did I ever say I was entitled to use YouTube?"


You've created a new thread complaining about a free service. That sounds like entitlement to me.

Quote: "Let's learn to not make assumptions."


Okay, Dad.


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Quote: "You've created a new thread complaining about a free service. That sounds like entitlement to me."


So nobody is able to complain about things and yet not feel entitled? I don't feel entitled. I realize that it could go away at any given moment, and there isn't a thing I could ever do about that. Why would I feel entitled over a free service? That's nearly as bad as people on PSN complaining when it goes down for a few weeks.

Anyway, most of the things added to YouTube have actually been specifically aimed at people who have no real skill at producing videos. Not to sound rude, arrogant, etc. (as I have a hard time explaining things..."nicely"), but YouTube has only a select few members who can actually produce quality videos. Why should I be thankful for a Notepad tutorial, when there are other videos with the same thing that are done nicely?

The whole, "Just don't use it." thing really gets irritating to hear, not because it isn't somewhat right, it's just that nobody can really give arguments for why these features are good.

Actually, I can give reasons why each of the features is good.

Annotations: Allow users to make slight corrections without having to re-upload.

Reactions: Allow to give more insight into opinions without having to post comments.

Voting: Allows people to vote and show their like or dislike toward a video.

Actually, come to think of it, many of you are right. I don't hate the features, I hate the users. People are the reason why good things turn out to be crappy / irritating. It's like whenever there used to be loads of freebie sites, you could get things like shirts, etc. free. Then all of a sudden, you get people who abuse the system and order more than their share, and now they don't give away things as much.

Despite what most think, YouTube was first created for users to upload videos THEY MADE to express creativity. Nowadays it's just a place for ripped clips, etc.

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Quote: "Really? So if someone bought you a free coffee, but it was a little bit warm or medium instead of a large, you'd complain out loud? Wouldn't that make you a bit of a jerk?"


It's different if the service as a whole is free. If nobody ever complained about anything it wouldn't get fixed. I wasn't pointing fingers at what you'd said, just putting out my opinion. And really, youtube isn't an entirely free service, they do make money off of the ads that they show, that they want you to see.

At the end of the day, are we entitled to anything? Nope. And I realize that(and I'm sure others do as well). However, expecting people to not mention things they dislike and simply stop using the service instead, is a bit much.

If YouTube suddenly removed all video content filters, even though they're a free service and have full right to do so...I think that all of the people taking their free "coffee" would request that it be fixed. And I doubt that you'd have any issues with those complaints being voiced.

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@crispex - I guess we look at entitlement complexes differently.

Quote: "That's nearly as bad as people on PSN complaining when it goes down for a few weeks."


Did you read my posts in the PSN threads? The PSN complaint is legitimate because the PSP Go doesn't have UMD support, so the only way to get access to games is through the PSN.


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You aren't done with Youtube until Youtube is done with you.

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Quote: "Did you read my posts in the PSN threads? The PSN complaint is legitimate because the PSP Go doesn't have UMD support, so the only way to get access to games is through the PSN."


There's the thing not being wise on the users end. Seriously. If you buy a download device, you get a download device and you should expect to have the possibility of downtime. The problem is a mixture of entitlement and dependence. People depend on things, and loose their minds when things don't work out. I know I'm guilty because when PayPal went down I couldn't make any payments I needed to make.

A good example: Steam. Steam is great like the PSP Go because it allows you to digitally download your content. I knew when using it though, that there is a possibility of it going down. It took me a while to get over that initial fear, but I trust it. If it went down, which it has, I would simply wait, because I trust it.

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Should I feel bad for keep watching hannah minx?

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Is ranting what you do in your spare time?

Just ignore, ignore!, IGNORE! And you'll be fine.

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Jeku, your avatar looks a bit like Duke Nukem.



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I'm pretty sure Jeku is Duke Nukem, based on the amount of crap he probably deals with on the forums.

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THE WAY TO SOLVE ALL YOUTUBE PROBLEMS

Step one: Search for only what you want to see
Step two: Immediately turn off annotations
Step three: Click on no other videos.

Solved.

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Quote: "Jeku, your avatar looks a bit like Duke Nukem."


Haha, I wish my muscles were big enough for that.


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My rant would be that there isn't any censorship in comment posts. Like the N word or anything like that. Its very very easy to implement lol I guess they just want people to report these issues rather than add some small new peices of code that would change certain words to asterisks lol

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maybe add an option so that the people who DOESNT have a problem with it can still ya know,live

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That's a good suggestion actually.

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