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Johnski
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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 00:16
So i have got my pre-ADSC at swanton morley tommorow, is there any guys in service now or old servicement that can give me tips for the pre-ADSC and the actual ADSC?

Thanks guys

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 03:21
sorry can't help ya with the british army. even my british friend can't help, she joined our army. Is ADSC like what we'd call boot camp?

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 04:34
I can tell you that no matter what Army you're joining; getting in good shape will help you no matter what....start doing so now.

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 04:42
Quote: "getting in good shape"

I hear running around while playing cod or world of warcraft apparently doesnt flex your muscles IRL.

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 06:34
i dont know much about british army, American army almost convinced me to join, the american airforce wanted to take me but my russian citisenship didnt allow me to (they offered me to give up russian citisenship to join, i refused lol). I also have serve in the russian army which id rather not, so i guess i am draft-dodging for now.

But yeah the british army sounds nice even tho i dont know anythng about it, by far it cant be worse than the russian army.

The russian army has no prestiege at all. If once all the youth looked forward to the mandatory 2 year draft traning in ussr, right now everyone is trying to avoid it by whatever means possible. Soviet army used to serve as a social latter if you desided to stay after the basic training. You could come from poorest social level, join the army, stay, get free education despite of your grades, work your way up the ranks and by retirment end up a high ranking general with a very good pention, a good apartment, a summer house, luxury sedans (instead of crappy Ladas everyone drove) Also, your childeren can get into to the most elite specialised univercities and institutes of ussr... sorry i am ranting. Basically soviet army was a path from rags to riches and gave acess to many privelages normal citisens didnt have. Modern russian army means, bad pay, crappy food (recentley there was a scandal with soldiers being fed canned dog food to save budget money) pretty much wasting time, barley getting any actual military traning, and if you are lucky, you might be sent to the russian southwest to deal with local clan wars. its a dangeros place as the muslim population there, disregards russian laws, common citisens are all armed.. pretty much like iraq or afganistan.

anyway sorry for the rant, congrads on the british army.

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Michael P
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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 13:55
Maximum respect for armed forces , I feel your pain PAGAN, in the UK there's a real lack of national pride these days.

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 14:11
All the best! Try not to get shot, ive been told it hurts

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 16:41
Good luck in joining the forces bro, you're a braver guy than I am.

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 17:21
Quote: "in the UK there's a real lack of national pride these days."


Try telling that to the people of Wootton Bassett (or any other town in the UK that welcomes back its heroes), or all the young men and women who still join up knowing that they'll likely be posted to Afghanistan...

Back on topic; good luck Johnski, and thank you for taking pride in our country

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 18:49
Quote: "in the UK there's a real lack of national pride these days.
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still proboly more than russia lol

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 19:01
I think that's cos, with all due respect, the USSR used almost a kinda "meat grinder" apprach to direct warfare. If you keep throwing enough troops in, it eventually gets jammed and you win. Few people want an army like that.

And then you said that apparently they feed troops dog food, no-one would have faith in that.

Johnski
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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 19:40
Thank you for all your support!

I passed the pre-ADSC i leave for the actual thing soon!

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 23:21
I'm not sure how your army works, but over here we pick specific jobs to train for. What will you be doing?

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 23:37
I Could never join the army, it.. Just no, I dont wanna learn to kill, I dont want to kill for my country, I dont feel i would get any use of it at all, and, to be honest I dont understand why people do it...

But then, I guess you do have your reasons for it, and I also wish you good luck in it..

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 7th Jun 2011 23:46
Quote: "I Could never join the army, it.. Just no, I dont wanna learn to kill, I dont want to kill for my country, I dont feel i would get any use of it at all, and, to be honest I dont understand why people do it...
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common misconception. the army just not just kill. infact few in the army actually kill. never thought of joining Logistics Corps, Medical Corps, Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, Corps of Army Music... there's loads out there that do not 'kill'. Besides, most soldiers do not join to kill, and that is often not their primary role. Nowadays the only reason for aggressive moves for the British army is self defence or the defence of others. The rules of engagement are ridiculous now...

Example: In afghan, man pops up with gun, shoots the two men next to you. pops down. pops back up unarmed. you can not fire upon this man. well officially anyways, but it still happens huh? just dont get caught if you like staying out of court.

soldiers are not just for killing.

/rant.


anyways, good luck in the army mate. what you joining?


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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 00:26
Imma joining the royal anglians as a infantry soldier

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 00:35
Quote: "soldiers are not just for killing."
I dont wanna support the killing in anyway either.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 00:47
I genuinely considered joining as an electrical engineer or similar. Setting up wiring for field bases, working on the new buildings they're putting up out there.

It'd be ideal as getting a civilian apprenticeship here is near impossible. However, I just don't think I'd cut it. I'm unfit, and what if I was attacked? Could I rely on myself to kill another, would I even be armed?

Ultimately my cowardice killed that career choice. It's why I respect people who have the self-confidence to step up to the mark.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 01:20
Quote: "I dont wanna support the killing in anyway either."

So why be against being a medic? Thats like, as unsupporting of killing as you can be

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 01:27
Hi Johnski

Well done for making this decision, definately not an easy one I can assure you. Congratulations on passing 'selection' I hope it gave you a sense of pride in your achievement.

I joined the REME as a Vehicle Mechanic (currently serving) so I went to Pirbright for Phase1, as your joining the Royal Anglians your be going to Catterick.

I wont ramble on about working on this, and working on that as your learn your trade when you get there, all I will say is leave the attitude behind, just work hard, keep your head down, show the instructors your a hard worker and be a team player with the lads your be staying with as your time will be alot easier if you make friends quickly.

Welcome to the British Army fella

Feel free to message me on anything mate!
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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 01:32
Quote: "I feel your pain PAGAN, in the UK there's a real lack of national pride these days."


Not sure what national pride has to do with fighting for the whims of a corrupt government.



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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 01:39
Quote: "Not sure what national pride has to do with fighting for the whims of a corrupt government."


Thank you Benjamin, I wouldn't have putted it in such a nice way.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 02:02 Edited at: 8th Jun 2011 02:03
Quote: "Not sure what national pride has to do with fighting for the whims of a corrupt government."


If that was intended as swipe at the UK, it's worth noting that France has a lower corruption index than the UK (where lower = more corrupt) so may want to re-evaluate where you reside if you consider the UK to be corrupt...

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 02:09
I wouldn't call the UK government corrupt.

But regardless I think fighting for your country is one of the most honourable things you can do. And people should be extremely proud of the armed forces which protect and serve the country every day.

Pride in armed forces and national pride are very closely linked. People in the UK aren't being brought up with a sense of national identity, which is where the US has definitely got the right idea.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 02:38
Speaking of britain here

Learning a trade in the army is about as good a start to a career that you can get, if you compare it to an apprentiship where you get on site training for a job and paid either nothing or like £100 a week working full time, a friend of mine with an apprentiship in a computer shop (building, repairing, selling hardware etc) get paid £1.70 per hour(working for 35% of the minimum wage!) And has his enthusiasm exploited and drained everyday!

You can train to be virtually anything some examples from the website
- Tailor
- Riding instructor
- Accountant
- Lawyer
- Sound Engineer
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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 03:22 Edited at: 8th Jun 2011 03:44
Quote: "If that was intended as swipe at the UK"


Actually no, it's just how I understand many feel about certain governments. That's not really the point I'm making though, I'm just warning not to join the army under the strict assumption that the wars you're fighting will be for the good of your country.



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If you give your time and money to charity for what you believe to be a good cause, and the charity uses your labor for personal gain or wastes your money, is your contribution any less charitable?

If you go out of your way to help someone in need, and they don't appreciate it or even despise you for it, is your kindness any less meaningful?

If you join the Army to serve your country because you believe it's your duty to defend and protect your family and nation, but those above you have ulterior, political of personal motives, is your service any less righteous?

Do what you believe to be right and don't worry about those who do things for the wrong reason.

If I had my way, we'd go back to the draft and every male would serve his country for at least two years. Maybe then we wouldn't have so many unmotivated, misguided, good-for-nothing youths.

Have fun and Good Luck!

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Couldn't have said it better myself Brian; and I totally agree with the last bit.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 07:41 Edited at: 8th Jun 2011 08:11
@Xplosys: I agree with what you're saying, but in all other cases you have a choice of whether or not you want to do something you don't believe in, which is different from the military where you'll be sent to war regardless whether you agree with it or not. You can't just decide to quit the military a day before since the system isn't that flexible (and quite rightly so).

If you have strong political views and are sent to fight a war that you strongly believe is wrong, and then get abused for it when you come home, you're going to have to learn to deal with it. It is part of the job, and sometimes you're going to have to do things you disagree with, but if you join the army you have to be able to accept these things, and that's all I'm warning about. I'm not saying he shouldn't join by any means, since it is generally for a good cause.

[edit] The post below is what I worried this thread might become, so note that what I'm saying isn't supposed to be political at all. That particular case was just an example.



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I would not want to be in the army. Not because I don't want to die or anything, it's because I don't like what our country fights for.

Look at it this way, I'd like to first state that you may or may not agree, but since we're on the subject I figure I'll tell my point of view, as opinionated as I am. I hold tremendous respect for those who serve our country, but I do not respect the businessmen sitting behind making profit from others suffering. This is not an attack at soldiers, this is a statement about the government.

Let's get started. First, the war in Iraq was not about "freedom." It's a well known fact that Iraq was going to start cutting our oil supplies for supporting Israel and fighting with Afghanistan. The United States was previously involved in the early 90s with the Gulf Conflict. Bush (the first one) told the people to rise against Saddam, but didn't back the rebellion, and many people lost their lives. Bush took advantage of the invasion of Afghanistan, and decided to finish off what Bush senior started. Now, the problem with that is you get mixed stories. Yes, Iraq was housing terrorist cells, I won't dispute that, but many other Middle Eastern countries do, as well as Europe, and even in North America. They're everywhere.

Next, look at Osama. I personally don't buy that they didn't know where he was. Obviously they needed to do it when the moral of the country was at an all time low. With the recession, gas prices, housing market collapse, etc. Obama's approval ratings were down. Isn't it ironic that at the lowest, they managed to find him and take him down?

Now with the part dealing with soldiers. There are more honorable soldiers than dishonorable ones. For example, ones who attacked a civilian village were in the complete wrong. I understand the threat exists, but who are we to shoot anyone with a gun? If you come to the United States, many people are armed. I carry a gun in my car, as I work late nights, yet no helicopter comes buzzing around shooting me with 25mm rounds.

I also look at the lack of maturity in a lot of new recruits. Many kids that went to my school assumed it'd be like Call of Duty. Sad, but true. Most of them were over-patriotic and said they would go kill as many as possible, but they don't really know the emotional stress it really presents to end someones life. Many people who end up killing someone have trouble with coping with it. I know I would, as I said before, I witnessed someone commit suicide and that was enough to scar me emotionally. These kids have no idea that the people they are killing, while perhaps terrorists, have a family. Many "terrorists" do it by their own will, but many are wrongly assumed to be terrorists, who are forced into it. Look at Saddam's Republican Guard. Many enlisted with hopes of getting rich, providing a good life, but once they were in it, they could not leave for fear of death.

It's only good to be in the military if you plan to do it for the right reasons. Don't join the military if you just hope to shoot people. The military is a good career option, however it comes with emotional and physical tolls. Not to mention, in some places soldiers returning are not treated properly, and get spit on, abused, etc.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 12:55
Thanks guys for your comments!

xsplosys: Kind words thanks!

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 12:58
Quote: "So why be against being a medic? Thats like, as unsupporting of killing as you can be "


i aint, medics are great and i greatly look up to them, but I cant stand even the look at blood or even speaking of veins (shiver)

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 14:03
Yeh, I can't look at gore. It just makes me feel...vulnerable to see how esaily the delicate parts of the human body can be disabled.

Ultimately to the man on the field, it shouldn't matter why he's there. So long as he's fighting for his country, defending his buddies, and working to make the country better.

You do realise that the British army, at least, does humanitarian work as well? Afghanistan isn't the only place a recruit can end up.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 15:26
Quote: "You do realise that the British army, at least, does humanitarian work as well? Afghanistan isn't the only place a recruit can end up.
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That's the same with the states. You can end up like my buddy, going to South Korea, or even better, Kuwait. Kuwait is like the Hollywood of the Middle East.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 15:31
Yeh, so it's not all oil conspiracies, eh? Regardless of the aim of the invasion, the soldier on the field can still do what he believes is right, the military is gunna give direct orders to do soemthing that'd make them look like tyrants.

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Quote: "Yeh, so it's not all oil conspiracies, eh?"


Not all just most. Here's the problem with "doing the right thing" on the Battlefield, first if you ignore the orders or go against them even if they're immoral, you can be arrested for treason. Knowingly ignoring your commanding officer's orders will also land you in prison.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 17:19
Quote: "first if you ignore the orders or go against them even if they're immoral, you can be arrested for treason."


That is incorrect; you can ignore or refuse orders that are immoral (such as orders to gun down un-armed civilians), without facing prison time. Statements like that show that you have no actual experience or first-hand knowledge of military affairs.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 17:37
Quote: "Imma joining the royal anglians as a infantry soldier"


Hit me up bro, I'm in 3rd Royal Anglian TA (14 platoon Hertford), waiting to join regs Air Corps

A lot of you guys have a massive misconception about the army. 1/7 of the army's efforts are involved in conflict, the rest is peace-keeping, teaching countries to look after themselves (perfect example: kenya), and disaster relief. Even if you are the 1/7 deployed to the front line, unless you're infantry there's still a significantly small chance that you'll actually see "kill or be killed". its not rare for people to go through a decades worth of tours before having to fire there first bullet at another human.

take note of that last word. a soldier is still a human being, we do have morals, we, as individuals, don't just go around looking for fights and get kicks out of carpet bombing villages. it's a waste of our desperately tight funding and only encourages people to fight against us, making our own job harder. what's going on in afghanistan is a war for hearts and minds, and the british army is constantly reviewing its training program to develop ways of making sure innocent people aren't accidentally targeted, even if it means putting our own troops at more risk.

there are values and standards, right from basic training, soldiers are trained to have the courage to speak out against immoral or poorly judged orders from above.

what's going on in afghanistan is a mess created by our politicians, they don't have a clue, and the troops out there are doing their best at an individual level to make the best of a bad situation and cleaning up as much of the mess created by bush and blairs rash decisions as best they can.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 17:39 Edited at: 8th Jun 2011 17:41
Quote: "That is incorrect; you can ignore or refuse orders that are immoral (such as orders to gun down un-armed civilians), without facing prison time. Statements like that show that you have no actual experience or first-hand knowledge of military affairs."


And that surprises you? Face it, we put our time in and people are still ignorant and oblivious to how it "is". We put our lives on the line so that people can have their freedoms and such, and the constant ignorant comments towards the military still comes out.

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You have the right to bitch, moan and complain because of the good men and woman who stand on the wall and protect those rights for you. You have the right to make judgements based on no experience. You have the right to have your opinions fed to you by those who don't know what they're talking about. You have the right to your "can't we all just get along" attitude" while others make sure you can't be harmed. You have the right to think that if we just put down our weapons, no one will attack us.

The OP asked for "any guys in service now or old servicement that can give me tips". He didn't ask for foolish conspiracy theories, the opinions of people who aren't old enough to know anything or have any experience with the military, or those who refused to serve for whatever reason. Stick to games - it's what you're good at - and let others keep you safe.

Can you tell this is a hot subject for me?

Brian.

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I'm pretty sure PAGAN was the one who started to veer off topic, I simply followed. I hold the most respect for those who are in the military, becuase they do what people would normally not do.

I'm NOT saying that the military is a bad thing, I am saying the businessmen behind closed doors are the ones who toy with things that should not be toyed with. You cannot dispute the fact that there are some soldiers who are indeed not qualified to be soldiers. These are the irresponsible ones who do stupid crap like gunning down innocents. The rest are people who believe in protecting freedom. I'm not going to stand here and say "Yeah America is the best, we're number one, our military will bomb you, etc." because I realize that the statements the idiots back home make, make the military look bad. DO NOT GET ME WRONG, I already said that I hold the most respect to the dedicated and responsible soldiers out there.

As for my claims about treason, I admit I didn't really know much about it, all I know is that my uncle Mike told me about a friend he had named Dom, who served in the first Gulf Conflict, when the commanding officer told them to attack a convoy of unknown trucks, he refused because they weren't armed, he was arrested and put on trial. He had to spend around a month on trial, trying to convince them that he had not committed treason and an act of insubordination. Finally a few other squad members backed him on his statement, and he was let free. I apologize for speaking before knowing the facts.

Quote: "what's going on in afghanistan is a mess created by our politicians, they don't have a clue, and the troops out there are doing their best at an individual level to make the best of a bad situation and cleaning up as much of the mess created by bush and blairs rash decisions as best they can."


This. This is what I am really talking about. It's not a conspiracy, the big guys in Washington get to wear their nice suites everyday and point finger at what happens, yet they make no attempt to even reconcile things. On the other hand, soldiers are down in the dirt and getting their hands dirty, and most of the time the intel they get is from people in Washington. A perfect example is the well known apache attack video, in which an innocent news crew and civilians were killed, as a result of mis-intelligence. Again, I hold respect to those who serve the country, I really do. My statements seem rather harsh and disrespectful, but those are targeted at the big men in office, not the ones who serve. I have at least 3 family members, 1 serving in Afghanistan, two in basic training to be radio operators in Afghanistan. Even they hold resentment at the people who run the U.S.

Anyway, as I said before, if you want to go into the military, good luck. Be moral, respectful, and always keep safe. We're actually quite lucky to have had around 6,000 casualties, which is considerably low considering previous war casualties. Yes, the lives lost are sad, but the lives saved in the matter are always worth the sacrifice. I was actually inspired last year by a kid who received a Medal of Honor for grabbing a heavy machine gun and defending his squad mates. He was killed by a grenade, but he sacrificed himself to save others. That's what humanity and the military is generally about. Most soldiers don't go into battle with selfish wants and desires, most of them are there because they feel it's their duty.

I wouldn't actually completely deny being part of the military. They look for people who can control servers and whatnot, and keep communications up. Again, I'm not afraid of dying, I just want to know I'd die for a good cause. I would want to die by helping a family escape a firefight, I wouldn't want to die by hitting a land mine by accident. I guess that's my biggest fear of the military, dying by accident. I'd want to go down in a hail of gunfire protecting someone.

Anyway, I sincerely apologize about my comments, they weren't meant to be taken in a way that attacks soldiers. As I admit, and heard from many others, I have trouble expressing what I mean without sounding rude or harsh.

Anyway, the only real tip people could offer, is stay safe.

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Posted: 8th Jun 2011 20:09
Quote: "You have the right to bitch, moan and complain because of the good men and woman who stand on the wall and protect those rights for you. You have the right to make judgements based on no experience. You have the right to have your opinions fed to you by those who don't know what they're talking about. You have the right to your "can't we all just get along" attitude" while others make sure you can't be harmed. You have the right to think that if we just put down our weapons, no one will attack us."


well I am saying what I am saying because I dislike violence, in any form, even if it is for a greater cause of even a good act, I dont approve of it.
I am not saying I am not being gratefull, because I am, basicly the only reason to why its worth living in sweden is because we havent been in a war in over 200 years, and because we have very humane ways to treat people which comes in from other countries (however that will probably change soon >_> god darnit i hate my goverment atm)
Anyway, I was simply stating why I wouldnt join the military: its not because I am a coward, its not because I am lazy, no its because I hate violence, and i couldnt join the hospitals because I am disgusted by anything inside the human body.

and for the record, I am a man.

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Quote: "The OP asked for "any guys in service now or old servicement that can give me tips"."


You are right, Xplosys. Apologies for going astray.

@ Johnski

Good luck with your enrollment. The first thing people say is "get into shape". That is true, but there is another area to think about that some learn the hard way more than others. I'm talking about the initial training- we here call it Basic Training (BMQ) (not too sure what the other military countries call it). This is the first course a soldier takes and learns about the various aspects of the military and it's structure. You will spend time in classes, do a lot of physical training, learn about your weapon, and also learn one important part of being a soldier. Team work.

Recognize the instructors you will face are human, that they too at one time went through what you are going through. They will yell, they will appear to have no care for your feelings. They don't take the luxury of being your friend- their job is to teach you the basic skills to survive. You will learn to work with your group (also referred to as your section; a few sections together form a platoon, but you will learn all that). The one piece of advice i can share with you is that there are no individuals, no I in the word team. If one is struggling, then the entire group will suffer if no one is willing to help out. Let me give you an example.

Not only was I a Sig-Op, but I was also a Search and Rescue Medic. On one course, a few in my section were a lot younger than me (they were fresh out of high school). During a 10K ruck march, one of the team fell behind. He twisted his ankle. Instead of leaving him behind, I had our section rotate and carry him back. When we were late to return, the instructor asked me why I made the decision to make the entire group late over one person. My response was simple- we leave no one behind; that if one is late, we all are late. In other words, had we arrived on time and left that individual behind, we would have been chewed out for not reacting as a team.

That may not have been the best example, but the point I want to share is learn to function as a team. Know the people in your section, in your platoon. Know everyone's strengths, and also their weaknesses. It will come in handy one day, and may just save your life in a dangerous situation. At current, I know each of my team's strengths, weaknesses. I know what they can do, and I use that to deal with the situations we face. And working in Search and Rescue is dangerous in the best of times, so as the team leader, it is my job to learn and know about everyone. Learn to form good habits, recognize everyone reacts differently in the face of danger. You may or may not see any conflict, but if you learn these little things and are in conflict, you will do just fine.

All the best.

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The army won't let me join cos I'm legally blind in one eye that was my back-up (if all else fails) plan


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Come to think of it, they wouldn't allow me in the army over severe flat-foot. For some reason they seem to think having arch matters, when I've been able to walk all these years without any problems.

I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.
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Quote: "If you give your time and money to charity for what you believe to be a good cause, and the charity uses your labor for personal gain or wastes your money, is your contribution any less charitable?"

No, but it is worth a lot less

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Posted: 11th Jun 2011 19:43
This whole thread reminds me of this:



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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 19:24
Johnski,

As Keith said, get in shape.
Be prepared to to do things you may not have ever considered doing.
Always push yourself mentally and physically, you will be suprised what your mind and body are capable of when you push yourself to the limits. You will see that the cliche of "mind over matter" is NOT just a cliche.
Watch over and take care of your battle buddies rather on duty, off duty, home or deployed. If you are placed with the right crew you will find a new family and make connections and bonds with people that you will never find on the civilian side of life.

As for refusing orders.. always keep in mind that the orders you recieve are a microsopic part of the bigger picture that you may not understand.

Another cliche:

"I would rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6!"
Live it, breathe it. If you find yourelf in a situation where you are not sure to pull the trigger or not.. pull it.. without hesitation. Answer to your actions later knowing you and your buddies are still alive because of the choice you have made.

"Orders to gun down unarmed civilians"... some people watch way too many movies.

Good luck to you brother and email me anytime if you want to shoot the breeze about the military.

BlackFox,
Quote: "And that surprises you? Face it, we put our time in and people are still ignorant and oblivious to how it "is". We put our lives on the line so that people can have their freedoms and such, and the constant ignorant comments towards the military still comes out."


You are right, I don't care how many books, newspapers, articles people read, or movies , films they watch.. if they didn't live it , breathe it.. they haven't got the slightest clue of what is going on.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2011 04:16 Edited at: 13th Jun 2011 04:17
Quote: "Orders to gun down unarmed civilians"


http://www.rollingstone.com/kill-team

You were saying? I know it's an isolated incident, but it still happens.

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Posted: 13th Jun 2011 04:23
I've seen better articles in The Enquirer. It wasn't our troops though, it was aliens dressed up in Army uniforms. No really!

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