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Geek Culture / Well, I guess it's up to me... Halo 4 and Halo 1 remake.

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DeadTomGC
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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 03:15
I expected someone else to post about this, but since nobody has, I will!

Learn about it here.


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Hate Microsoft now. Extending a trilogy unnecessarily, and releasing a remake of a gmae made 10 years ago, that somehow looks graphically worse than the original.

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Quote: "Hate Microsoft now. Extending a trilogy unnecessarily,"


The fans called for it.
Besides, have you ever played Halo 1?


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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 03:31
I don't like or dislike this notion...I'm just confused...

What will Halo 4 be about?

As for the Halo 1 remake, I think it's pretty cool, as long as they release it as a side game (arcade, $25) and not a full fledged $60 game.

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It would be nice to finally be able to play the first Halo game on XBL.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 03:44
I'm stoked for it. I was mad enough Bungie made Halo Reach a prequel and unrelated to Master Chief.

Halo 1 on the 360 looks quite pretty as well.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 05:03
If you saw the remake will be $39.99

but, I'm a big halo fan and every time one comes out I'm excited!But this time somereason I just don't feel it....


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Quik
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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 06:02
I have played halo 1 and 2 and 3...
isnt that enough?
come on stop milking the dead cow!

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 06:45
I got bored of halo halfway through number 2.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 07:41
odd how halo 2 is the only good one O_o

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 08:50 Edited at: 12th Jun 2011 11:19
I dun understand why people rage, especially TGC Dwellers. Who cares? Revel in the good games you play and don't look twice if you don't like what you see. Is it that hard. I couldn't care much for a new trilogy. I always knew Halo 4 was coming, and it sounds good. Halo 1 revamped sounds great good.

No need to get so worked up over it. Its so meaningless to everyone.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 10:21
halo 1 revamped = awesome though

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I don't see why Halo has to be a trilogy. I like Halo, I've played 1, 2, 3, ODST and Reach, and I liked them all. Most fans did. Yeah one day it'll get boring but so far every game has impressed me.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 12:11
nonono, it could have been 2 games, 1 game and i would be happy, making 6 games,. plus ODST and Reach would be 8 games
8 games in a series, no thank you...

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 12:17
Quote: "8 games in a series, no thank you.."


What about Zelda? There are like 17 of these.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 12:34 Edited at: 12th Jun 2011 12:34
Why would I care how many installments there are as long as they're good titles? Halo Reach, Halo, Halo 2, Halo ODST, Halo 3 - they're all good games if you ask me & in my opinion, the story arc is extremely well done.

I can only hope they re-release Halo & Halo 2 for the nearby future. You don't want to know the trouble I had to go through to get Halo 2 when my disc broke.

Halo 4? Meh. How did the Chief get them jetpacks in the trailer anyway? If he had those, he wouldn't have been on that ship anyway.

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Quote: "What about Zelda? There are like 17 of these."


but each one is set in a different world, different story and different actor -> basicly different games

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 13:04
Halo CE ftw!



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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 14:34 Edited at: 12th Jun 2011 14:35
Quote: "The fans called for it.
Besides, have you ever played Halo 1?"


Brother please. I have every game and every book.

My argument is, Bungie made everything up 'til now. Now it's going to get put through the Microsoft "targeted for 'tards" demographic wringer.

If you play Halo 2 then 3, you'll notice a sharp drop in difficulty. Everything is also so simplified, and that was with MS just being design consultants.

Let's be honest. They proved it when chief grew jetpack wings in the trailer. Also the Halo 1 remake is all models from Reach, bar the cheif model, adn the chief model is ugly.

Quote: "Halo CE ftw!"


YOU STILL PLAY!?

Awessssooommeee!!

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And the trailers don't have that Bungie...pizazz. Look at "The Way the World Ends." That was an awesome cinematic trailer!

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 21:51
I hope the Halo remake gets rid of that horrid part where you jsut follow that blue eye thingy (forgot it's name) through a thousand hallways that look exactly the same, or make it more interesting.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 22:51
It's Microsoft. E.g., it's a reskin with everything ported from Reach.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 22:58
well isnt that what we want? well its what I want anyway, a remake should simply be a remake

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 23:04
Don't buy the game if you don't want it


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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 23:17
CoffeeGruntude about the jetpack,it was built in with is armor to navigate in space...


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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 23:29
No it wasn't. There was no jetpack all the way through Halo 3. It just appears out of nowhere.

It's not a remake though, just a reskin.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 23:32
and a reskin isnt a remake?

I dont know but... say for example the old zelda ooc remakes for DS: exactly the same game, with revamped graphics

oh and we got boss challanges.. wow, really much of a "remake" there?
because remaking the game and it wouldnt be the same game: the point of a remake is to revamp it to suit newer generations in graphics and/or controll wise

now if we get some super hyper stuff with it aswell, well thsts a bonus.

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Posted: 12th Jun 2011 23:43
I love CE, but it still has room for improvement. Mainly the libaray. It felt like a filler in an otherwise great selection of levels.

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what I mean is it's only used in space...


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Posted: 13th Jun 2011 01:59
Well, yeh, but he still grew it outta nowhere.

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He's a plant lol.


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Posted: 14th Jun 2011 04:39
I am really the most excited about the remake because I think that the halo 1 mp maps and campaign have been the best so far.
The only thing that I would change are the accuracy and strength of the pistol and rifle.


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Posted: 14th Jun 2011 08:16
So...

..what will Halo 4 be about?

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In the trailer, it looks like the mother Halo. But then again I am not enough of a die-hard-fan to know how many are left or whatever.

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I'm more interested in the remake, Halo was brilliant, the only thing I hope they fix is the repetitive levels, sometimes you have to do the same thing 5 or 6 times, which just stretches out the campaign for no good reason. I always liked the sanbox feel to Halo, it's much more dynamic than the sequels IMO. Ohh, and the flood are much better in the original too, they didn't have anything like the same impact in the other Halo games, I want to shoot 10,000 zombie turnips and laugh at them all trying to drive warthogs.

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IMO Halo 2 was the best in the series. It upped the ante so well, and "The 100,000 years war" is the best chapter in the series, because it feels like a full-scale anarchous war.

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Quote: "I'm more interested in the remake, Halo was brilliant, the only thing I hope they fix is the repetitive levels, sometimes you have to do the same thing 5 or 6 times, which just stretches out the campaign for no good reason. I always liked the sanbox feel to Halo, it's much more dynamic than the sequels IMO. Ohh, and the flood are much better in the original too, they didn't have anything like the same impact in the other Halo games, I want to shoot 10,000 zombie turnips and laugh at them all trying to drive warthogs."


I completely agree with you.

Quote: "IMO Halo 2 was the best in the series. It upped the ante so well, and "The 100,000 years war" is the best chapter in the series, because it feels like a full-scale anarchous war."


I never played Halo 2, but if it is like that, it's probably very fun.

Quote: "So...

..what will Halo 4 be about?"


I have no idea, but there could still be brutes, jackles, and grunts.


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Posted: 14th Jun 2011 22:08
Quote: "I'm more interested in the remake, Halo was brilliant, the only thing I hope they fix is the repetitive levels, sometimes you have to do the same thing 5 or 6 times, which just stretches out the campaign for no good reason. I always liked the sanbox feel to Halo, it's much more dynamic than the sequels IMO. Ohh, and the flood are much better in the original too, they didn't have anything like the same impact in the other Halo games, I want to shoot 10,000 zombie turnips and laugh at them all trying to drive warthogs."

Agreed. Halo 1 felt almost open world within the levels, whereas the rest were extremely linear.

Halo 1 had by far the best campaign. Halo 2 has had the best online but I felt like it had the worst campaign. Halo 3 had a better campaign than halo 2 but far worse online. Halo Reach had the best campaign under Halo 1 and a better online than Halo 3 but not as good as Halo 2's lol. They were all over the place for me... Each one bringing something different to the puzzle.

Halo 4 will be about awesomeness.

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I personally thought Halo 3's campaign was way too short, especially due to the buzz they were drumming up for it.

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Quote: "Halo 4 will be about awesomeness."

No, Halo 4 will be about them prostituting Master Chief to 13 year olds... Again!

Halo 1's online and story was amazing(PC only, sorry XBOX fans). Halo 2's was average. Halo 3's was crap. And... I stopped playing after that. Went back to playing some Halo 1, then played through the Marathon games. Now, Bungie has passed into history in my eyes.

Also, I think this 'remake' is bubcus. If you read the article, it's just fans posing as the cover of H:CE.

Really, the Halo hype is as cold as dead salmon.

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I don't think there is any reason to bash it. What if they changed the title, modified the style of the aliens, and then released it as a new series? Then there'd be no problem, because it wouldn't be "milking", right?

In my opinion you should always judge a game on its individual merits, not on whether or not it should exist as part of a series.
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Meh, people will trash it regardless of whether it's good or not. I enjoyed all of the previous Halo titles, Halo 2 of which was my favourite, so I'll be picking these new ones up. Who cares if they keep making sequels? As long as I enjoy them then I'll keep buying them! Why would I *not* like that?

And for those of you who cry about it: who cares? Seriously, don't buy the game.


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I simply can't see how Halo 4 will play out. There's no covenant, the flood are supposedly wiped out, and mankind is on the brink of etinction due to it's numbers being massacred.

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It's weird, all damn year we've had very little to get excited about - with the exception of Portal2 of course. But, as far as games go, it's been a slow 12 months. Then, the next 6 months will have some monster titles, like MW3, BF3, and IMO most importantly Skyrim. People are getting antsy about new games coming out towards the end of the year, and just when several million teenage boys start thinking about the summer, girls, life in general - well Bungie throw a master chief shaped spanner in the works. I mean the chief coming back, what's next?, LOL cats and Raleigh Grifters?

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Quote: "well Bungie throw a master chief shaped spanner in the works."


Bungie aren't making these. That's the crux of my argument.

And as a teenage boy, I can tell you, very few are actually that excited for either MW3 or Halo 4, alot are moer bothered with having spent a year at college and not passed, or Skyrim.

Also Mass Effect 3.

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Quote: "Bungie aren't making these. That's the crux of my argument."


So what? Bungie doesn't want to work on it.


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Quote: "And as a teenage boy, I can tell you, very few are actually that excited for either MW3 or Halo 4, alot are moer
bothered with having spent a year at college and not passed, or Skyrim."


no thats just entirely false. Im not in the mood to argue but just no.

Millions are excited for both. is it as big as a group as halo reach an mw2? Probably not as these titles have been milked quite a bit... But that doesnt mean not many are excited.

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Quote: "And as a teenage boy, I can tell you, very few are actually that excited for either MW3 or Halo 4, alot are moer bothered with having spent a year at college and not passed, or Skyrim.
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I am excited for MW3 and i know i will fail so iam basicly aiming at blocking off as much as possible next year and then go a fourth year..

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Quote: "say for example the old zelda ooc remakes for DS: exactly the same game, with revamped graphics"


No, it's much much more. Sorry, I actually liked that game, so I'll defend it. XD
Read some articles about it.

Same as with Mario 64 DS, which had +3 playable characters, +30 stars, better graphics, a few more gameplay mechanics with the hats and all, a multiplayer mode, at least 3 new levels, a larger hud, and like 20 mini games or something.

The most amazing part was, I hadn't played the original at that point, and would not have been able to tell you which parts had be grafted on. This is Nintendo, when they remake a game in their main franchises, it's anything but a port.


Sorry about that, I actually care about OoT, whereas Halo 4....

Look, the problem with Halo 4 is not just that Bungie is off the team, it's a whole bucket list. First, Halo was an extremely planned out story, with hints droppeed in clues before the first game came out as to how it would end. They "hijacked" websites to give sneak peaks, and even entire audiobooks. They're just as bad as Valve, if not worse in that regard/ Halo is a Trilogy. An epic, very well planned out trilogy. It end alluding to the immediate next game would be Marathon, which is NOT Halo.

So, frankly it sounded like from an interview of the new developers, that they may not even pick up at the next point. It may be another part of Master Chief's story.

Halo 4 is not Halo 4. It's another game in the Halo franchise, supported because the fans do not realize there can be too much of a good thing. The best way to ruin a part of our culture is to beat it until it's dead. And guess what? Microsoft does not care, they see that their stock will go up if they release another numbered game in the biggest game franchise they own. "Fans will love it" they think to themselves.

This is how the world ends, this is how the world ends.

(why is nintedno immune to this so far? Well first they don't number their games, release them every year, and play off familiar characters, not the same story or even gameplay mechanics. Master Chief would be fine if he pushed into ever genre he could, make making more of the exact same that made him popular with bringing a thing to the table... You can't keep pushing that. It breaks. He ate his cake, it's not like he still has it)


Edit: The don't play it if you don't like it scenario does not change the effect it has on our culture. If Japan had a civil war and was taken over by a militaristic state or whatever, telling me to just not live there will not change the fact that it is happening, and that it will affect me, and more importantly the world at large. Just because I live in the northern US and the gulf stream goes down (I think), does not mean I don't care about a massive oil spill down south that's pretty much the worst disaster mankind has inflicted upon the earth all at once. You can't tell me to just not live in Florida or off the gulf of mexico in general. In fact I have family there.

I have friends who like Halo too. Gamers have a right to be outraged when they realize that their culture is being abused and massacred by the corporate end of game companies. Yes, games are made by companies that mostly care more about money than games, but not all of them, and that doesn't mean we should sit there and smile while they shove down **** our mouths, and closing our eyes or watching them do it to our friends while we stand by does not make it better.

Halo 4 is not death of Halo, it's the road to it. I'll cite sources in gaming history if you want, this is a bad move for gamers, unless the death of Halo will bring on a revolution away from the mindless FPS genre (hey, a man can dream ).


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^I agree. The series was in good hands with Bungie, I simply don't trust another studio to keep to what Halo was about.

I mean alot of people say the story is shallow, the controls outdated, etc. But really, the controls aren't much different to CoD's in terms of complexity, and they work, why change them? The story is shallow because you played for completion, not for the game. If you take your time you begin to appreciate the subtle hints to backstories and such.

On another note, I happened across this and got nostalgia chills:


If they change the music a hair in the remake, I will not be happy. Halo's music gave it character, not the "generic rocky guitar" themes CoD has, (althought not WaW, Treyarch actually put thought into that soundtrack.)

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@CoffeeGrunt
I'm with you about the music, and I was really concerned about 343 taking over. However, 343 is made up mostly of people who have worked on halo and broke off from bungi just so that they could work on halo.
If they care about it that much I doubt they will mess it up.


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