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Geek Culture / Well, I guess it's up to me... Halo 4 and Halo 1 remake.

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Quik
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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 00:42
why does cod come up in every thread about FPS?

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 00:53
Because they have made so many COD's that they are TNTC. On top of that they're messy, and so they get all over the place. ...*crickets*...


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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 01:04
Because every time someone has a Halo discussion, an 11 year old wannabe troll comes on and says, "LOL COD R BETA CUZ IT HAZ IRONSITEZ AND IS RELISIC!!"

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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 01:39
I love ironsights tho..

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Quik:How much people asked this?anyways Spartans don't need it because of their visor providing a crosshair


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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 01:46
Ironsights are cool and all, and I think between sprinting and ironsights, CoD has good pacing.

But I don't get how looking down it turns an SMG into a full-auto sniper.

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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 02:57 Edited at: 17th Jun 2011 03:00
Yeah I think they ended it perfectly with H3. I'm looking forward to the remake but unsure on Halo 4... I'll still HAVE to buy it because I grew up playing Halo.

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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 06:21
COD R TEH BETUR GAEM! COD RULEZ ALL U GUYS!!! Haha! Couldn't resist! No, seriously, CoD is way better for people who want a game of skill. Now, these are opinions, and everyone in this thread can handle opinions like an adult, right? 'Cause Ima 'bout to open up a can of opinions:

My list of games that require skill:
Gears of War(If you are good, then noobs don't even touch you)
CoD(If you're good you can sneak by noobs and blast 'em in their base)
Halo 1
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Halo 2 and up

Seriously though, totally joking about the Barney joke! Not trolling, just thought it was funny!

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Quote: " No, seriously, CoD is way better for people who want a game of skill."


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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 08:29 Edited at: 17th Jun 2011 13:34
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Damn double post

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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 08:47 Edited at: 17th Jun 2011 08:48
Quote: "No, seriously, CoD is way better for people who want a game of skill"

Oh God I have never laughed so hard in my entire life. Because running around noob tubing takes OHHHH SOO MUCH skill. There is no FPS game ever made that requires as little skill as Call of Duty IMO. I believe they got rid of that in black ops though right? Black ops was complete rubbish though.

Call of Duty is far more complex in the controls than Halo is of course, but I would say it requires FAR FAR FAR less skill than ANY halo games does. For most people I know, it takes several weeks for people to get back at being good in Halo games. Call of Duty takes one round, maybe two. Hell, the FIRST time I even touched Call of Duty, I played against a buddy of mine (saying he was "good" at call of duty would be a COD understatement of the year) who had played for a year straight, hours every day, had like a 1.6 kill death ratio and prestige as many times as possible (10 I believe) and lost 20 to 18. Obviously there are people that dominate in Call of Duty, but even the dominate people don't dominate like they do in Halo or even Gears of War.

Gears of War 1 (soon Gears 3 as well) and Halo 2 are the games IMO that require more skill than any other FPS. (I dare any of you to play against me in Gears 3 when that comes out. I massacred in the beta lol. Thraxas played with me a couple games I believe, he could tell you how amazing I was lol. I think I had a 2.2 kill death ratio. I was proud how good I was lol.)

This is just my opinion of course. However, I do find it incredibly hard to believe that ANYONE can honestly say that Call of duty is a game of skill. Not saying it DOESN'T take skill... It does of course, but IMO not even close to the skill required in games like Halo or Gears. The required skill in the Halo universe had terribly decreased ever since Microsoft joined bungie to work on Halo together. They messed online up quite a bit. They made it too noob friendly. When they did that complete [insert bad word here] update where melee kills BOTH people, the game became simply "shoot a bunch and punch."

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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 11:52 Edited at: 17th Jun 2011 11:54
COD COD yada yada ironsights COD COD hate noobs COD n chips n overpowered AK74 yada yada I hate it I love it I hate it I love it.

If that sums up the next page of responses, can we just skip them and get back to the topic in hand - incidently, the topic in hand is not COD, we don't need any more posts about COD... PLEASE!

If you really must make a post about COD, please just start a new thread, then type it all out nicely, then press the back button before you post it.

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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 13:49
How are we supposed to skip talking about COD when someone says this....
Quote: ""No, seriously, CoD is way better for people who want a game of skill"
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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 13:51
I think Halo is very tactical, alot of modern games go through the realistic health route of having very little. This means that engagements are often won on whoeve fires first, which is a bit lacking on tactics.

However Halo has a variety of weapons that operate in different ways, and have strengths and weaknesses in different situations. E.g., a plasma pistol used well can be more effective than a rocket launcher against vehicles. Also it has more health, so engagements are longer, allowing each side to use more movement and input, thereby creating the chance for a more meaningful fight.

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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 19:40
Quote: "Also it has more health, so engagements are longer, allowing each side to use more movement and input, thereby creating the chance for a more meaningful fight."

Read as, "We all have 90 hundred thousand health, can all Halo jump, and shoot eleventy million bullets, and have cool shootouts that last 90 minutes."

Listen, in CoD, if you snipe(with a sniper), scrub skills like Halo jumpers and noob tubers drop like flies. If you don't play Core mode like a pansy and play hardcore like men, then tubers get pwnd!

I'm just trying to defend against the CoD knockers. Jeez, I asked for my opinion to be handled like adults, but clearly when you come into a Halo thread with a differing opinion, you should expect a bunch of 12-17 year olds who go, "Wah! He say he no likey da Halo as much as da CoD, even doh he say he like Halo 1, and sayz Halo 1 requirez da skillzes!" It's on the freakin' list!!! Halo 1's one of my top 3 favorite FPSs. It's just beyond that was Halo jumpers and scrubs.

Listen, this is why I don't like anything beyond Halo 1. In Halo 1, I was capable of sniping across Blood Gulch and getting a head shot. The noobs complained about us snipers. Halo 2 had nothing near the size of original Blood Gulch(even it's remake Coagulation was tiny). So, I started sniping closer range. The noobs complained about us snipers. Bungie tried to 'Fix the sniping' so it was harder to snipe. Well, we've all seen the Halo 3 sniper videos on YouTube. Well, it actually became easier, so I could almost always head shot you from point blank range with a sniper before you could pull the trigger. The noobs complained, saying I was cheating or botting or modding, so hard, that I got suspended from XBL for 2 weeks! How fun is that, huh? Suspended for having skill! I've never been suspended from CoD for sniping! Because it requires skill!!! And, men play CoD!

I came in hear to discuss a Halo 1 remake, Halo 4, and end up getting attacked for my opinions by the Halo noob crew! Flame me if you want! And, if you do, I hope another mod comes in and gets you for attacking my obviously labeled opinions like children. 'Cause I know that Van won't do it since he obviously has a distaste for CoD as well. With un-modlike statements like this:
Quote: "If you really must make a post about COD, please just start a new thread, then type it all out nicely, then press the back button before you post it."

Trolling, Van? Really? Are we a 5 year old troller? Or are we an adult moderator?

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Noone with a life really cares about the fineries of whether CoD or Halo are better.

My argument is that CoD gameplay is Sprint, Sight, Spray. A game like TF2 has much more tactical depth. You have to analyse your opponent, what class they are, what have they got equipped, will it be best to come in close or take them from a range? What class am I? Is my weapon I have equipped the best suited one to take the enemy down, etc, etc.

The only variation in CoD that is visible is ghillie = sniper, anything else = anything else.

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Amo, Actually I much prefer MAG, Killzone and Battlefield to Halo and COD, but I can refrain from inflicting my opinion on people and have even been known to stay on topic.

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Posted: 17th Jun 2011 22:08 Edited at: 17th Jun 2011 22:17
Quote: "How are we supposed to skip talking about COD when someone says this...."


This is opinion, and it isn't a discussion if you wail and cry every time somebody voices opinion that opposes your own

Personally, I think COD is a game of skill, providing you play skilfully. Sniping provides a good test of marksmanship (though I think quick-scoping abuses the game system) and running tactics, though completely unrealistic, provide a good challenge of evade and sneak tactics. I don't think noobtubing is skilful, though it's something I enjoy when I don't want to play too seriously. general AR/SMG gunning is your basic MP game.

now, since both sides of the argument have represented themselves, back to halo CE Anniversary Please

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Quote: " but clearly when you come into a Halo thread with a differing opinion, you should expect a bunch of 12-17 year olds who go, "Wah! He say he no likey da Halo as much as da CoD, even doh he say he like Halo 1, and sayz Halo 1 requirez da skillzes!" It's on the freakin' list!!! Halo 1's one of my top 3 favorite FPSs. It's just beyond that was Halo jumpers and scrubs.
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Yes because that's exactly what I'm doing. /sarcasm. I find the opinion of "COD is for skilled players" hands down the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. That's fantastic that it's your opinion... But that means little to nothing to me. I think it's silly.

Quote: "My argument is that CoD gameplay is Sprint, Sight, Spray."

And that quote right there... is exactly why I laugh at the opinion of COD being for skilled players. Because it sums up COD nicely.

Quote: "This is opinion, and it isn't a discussion if you wail and cry every time somebody voices opinion that opposes your own"

First of all, I'm laughing, not crying. Second of all, I could care less if it's opinion; I STRONGLY (and I mean STRONGLY) don't agree with it and thought it was a ridiculous opinion. So I tried to explain my opinion in a way that shows I STRONGLY disagree with it the way I do. Obviously there is a level of skill required though. EVERY SINGLE game requires a level of skill. Am I not allowed to disagree with something? Apparently not because if I do, I'm just crying.

It's hilarious to me how people can voice THEIR opinion, but if I disagree with said opinion and give MY opinion (which is clearly fact lol), suddenly I'm "wailing and crying..." Really hits my funny bone. I thought something was stupid, so I said I thought it was stupid basically.

What also cracks me up, is I even CLEARLY stated that it was MY OPINION. But no, apparently I'm just wailing and crying.
Quote: "This is just my opinion of course."

There it is again in case you miss me saying this is my opinion for the tenth time.

This is my last post about this though. I'm clearly just wailing and crying too much because I have a different opinion than someone. It's an incredibly stupid argument that I'm not going to continue further.

My opinion is, "COD is FAR less skill based than nearly EVERY other FPS online Multiplayer." Your opinion, "COD is a very skill based FPS." End of story, there it is... Agree to disagree.

I'm not going to respond to anything related to this opinion crap, if I make any posts from now on here, it will strictly be related to Halo 4 and Halo Anniversary. Go ahead and post your response, but I will just brush it off and say nothing. Let's simply, agree to disagree.

Quote: "Yeah I think they ended it perfectly with H3. I'm looking forward to the remake but unsure on Halo 4... I'll still HAVE to buy it because I grew up playing Halo."

I personally hated how they ended Halo 3. I wanted Master Chief to have some epic return to Earth where he dramatically survives something near impossible to survive. Like in
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I wanted Master Chief to have something like that. I imagined this... They are all at the funeral thing at the end, mourning Chief's death when suddenly... Chief comes walking out of nowhere like the bad ass he is."

Least that's what I wanted lol. Master Chief, IMO, was one of the coolest characters ever.

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I feel sorry for Van...
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Alright. I've left the thread to cool down a bit. I made a CoD thread, so no more CoD bashing, k?

Moving on:

About Halo Anniversary, taking that it's not a fan hypothetical taken out of context, I have some views about it:

As long as they keep the original health kit system, with sniping the way it was before, that would be awesome. My very first FPS kill was made in Halo 1! I was sniping at a Warthog! It took a clip and a half, but... I finally killed the driver. Since then, I've always been a sniper. Ah, memories... Loved Halo 1's campaign(Library and all). And, the super pistol! XD That scoped pistol was ridiculous! A scoped pistol...

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400+ years into the future and a scoped pistol seems to be on of mankind's biggest advancements.

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Quote: "First of all, I'm laughing, not crying. Second of all, I could care less if it's opinion; I STRONGLY (and I mean STRONGLY) don't agree with it and thought it was a ridiculous opinion. So I tried to explain my opinion in a way that shows I STRONGLY disagree with it the way I do. Obviously there is a level of skill required though. EVERY SINGLE game requires a level of skill. Am I not allowed to disagree with something? Apparently not because if I do, I'm just crying.

It's hilarious to me how people can voice THEIR opinion, but if I disagree with said opinion and give MY opinion (which is clearly fact lol), suddenly I'm "wailing and crying..." Really hits my funny bone. I thought something was stupid, so I said I thought it was stupid basically.

What also cracks me up, is I even CLEARLY stated that it was MY OPINION. But no, apparently I'm just wailing and crying."


No, your missing the point, I don't care how strongly you care about your opinion, If you can't respect peoples opinion who like CoD, your just being childish and reducing this to a petty argument

Quote: "I could care less"

Really... use some logic

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Posted: 18th Jun 2011 19:05 Edited at: 18th Jun 2011 19:06
@Ocho Geek: I know you still want to defend CoD, but that's not possible in this thread. You can keep posting in my CoD thread, but... I just say move on before anything starts up again.

@Indicium: The best part is, we have those now! XD I guess, in another 400+ years, they'll have weapons with folding stocks!

Seriously, though, I always thought the Fuel Rod Launcher was an interesting piece of technology(Although it was Covenant), fun to shoot people with. Noobs hated fuel rod battles due to how hard it was to kill someone with. The rocket launcher wasn't anything special. The Flamethrower sucked, and didn't fit(In my opinion). The sniper was... Well, a sniper! But, it worked nicely. The Needler was always fun. We always called it "The Pink Flurry of Death." The Plasma Pistol was good if you knew how to use it. The Plasma Auto-Rifle was pretty sweet, when used in combo with the Assault Rifle.

All in all, I could see them only removing the Flamethrower. And, I *hope* they remove the Rockethog. Guuuh! That thing was annoying. Infinite rockets anyone?

Also, I looked it up. I now rebut my former comment on it being a fan hypothetical. I see now that it is official.

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Posted: 18th Jun 2011 19:50 Edited at: 18th Jun 2011 19:51
Build a bride, get over it, stop being so sensitive. You don't really think I'm going to watch whatever video you posted do you?
I hate COD because 7 year old down syndrome kids can smash COD MLG players because it requires so little skill. And I will tell people that in any way shape or form, regardless if you think it's rude because it's not your opinion. Now.... you use some "logic" and get over that I'm a COD basher. Because I will continue to bash it regardless of anyone's opinion.
God now you use some "logic" and just ignore me because whatever on Earth you say isn't going to make a difference.

Quote: "Seriously, though, I always thought the Fuel Rod Launcher was an interesting piece of technology(Although it was Covenant), fun to shoot people with. Noobs hated fuel rod battles due to how hard it was to kill someone with. The rocket launcher wasn't anything special. The Flamethrower sucked, and didn't fit(In my opinion). The sniper was... Well, a sniper! But, it worked nicely. The Needler was always fun. We always called it "The Pink Flurry of Death." The Plasma Pistol was good if you knew how to use it. The Plasma Auto-Rifle was pretty sweet, when used in combo with the Assault Rifle."

Completely agree. The fuel rod was awesome, I hated that I could never use it online. I never played the PC version though, so never got to use it online or the flamethrower as well. I never cared for the plasma pistol though however. Especially in Halo 2 where the noob combo just went out of control lol. That damn thing could follow 90 degree corners.

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Horayyy!!!!! CoD Thread

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Don't even agree or argue with me. Just stop even mentioning it.


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Apparently there is a CoD thread now. Copy the post you want to respond to, and quote it in the CoD thread.



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Quote: "400+ years into the future and a scoped pistol seems to be on of mankind's biggest advancements."


Have you ever fired this thing? It's like Thor's hammer!

Quote: "And, I *hope* they remove the Rockethog."


I don't. The PC Rockethog was very well balanced, no lock-on, no rocket flurries, and it took talent to place the shot well on an enemy hog that's fishtailing and firing at you.

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First, Bizar Guy, that is not why I started that thread, you are trying to inflame things again. That thread is for people who like CoD, and are waiting for MW3 to come out. If you post garbage in it, so help me, I'll start a black list, and put everyone who's entered that thread to troll on it so fast, and parade your names around in my sig, where you will spend the rest of internet existence in shame!

*ahem* Okay, now that the niceties are over:

@CoffeeGrunt: I think that's what he means. It's like getting hit by an assault rifle bullet! In fact, I think it might be like twice as strong as a single assault rifle bullet! Oh, yeah, and the shotgun has shells the size of garbage cans! XD That's what me and my friends used to say. A shield, behind which is an advanced armor, behind which is a highly modified cyborg super-soldier, and still it's a one shot kill point blank!!! o.O

Also, do you not remember people sitting across the map in a Rockethog on levels like Blood Gulch, and shooting rockets at the opposing base? It was ridiculous! I would have to get up top, and snipe the guy off the back before he could hit me with a rocket. Which wasn't very hard. But, still annoying!

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Rokcethogs are a piece of cake to take down if they're emplaced. The rockets are easy to dodge at range, and a well-placed grenade can esily topple them.

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Also this is why we don't need a music remake. The Halo music goes perfectly with anything. Heck, it even makes TotS from Reach better!



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@Amo Deus Man, you should totally insult me in your signature. It would be cute.

@CoffeeGrunt, XD most def. Even as a non fps gamer, Halo music ranks pretty high in my list of favorite video game musics. Everything is more epic with Halo music playing.


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Posted: 19th Jun 2011 03:02 Edited at: 19th Jun 2011 03:10
@Bizar Guy: You're a pompous troller. And, I'm not 7, so I'm not going to feed into it with responses like, "Uh-huh! You'll totally be humiliated by that!" It's to show people who the trollers to avoid are. So, nice work. You're on it.

On topic, definitely don't redo the music. I loved the ambiance. It was one of the things that made the game awesome. Especially, that one rock track they only used like 2 or 3 times.
And, obviously they'll keep the choral opening track. That song used to get stuck in my head so much.

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Yeh, I think that's what makes Halo stand out. An outsider thinks that we Halo fanboys love it for the gameplay or the story, but it's the music and how that conveys the story.

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It definitely pulls the emotions from intense to somber to eerie to epic fluidly! Even the story lines of the the next 2 Halo's were intense(Never played anything after 3), especially on legendary!

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@Amo Deus Man... You are a rather vindictive individual. I made that comment rather that posting a nasty response to you threatening me. I only knew a thread for it existed because I read someone (I am assuming you, as you threatened me if I tried to post in your thread) had made one to keep this thread free of it. Then I saw that the next ten comments or so were still dedicated to it, so, made mention that this had become a thread about it. Then I made the rest of the post something I felt would be difficult to miss, saying what everyone else was trying to. That was the point. I only even mentioned your thread, which I have not been to btw, because that was why you made it as far as I know.

I'm am rather unsure what makes you think I'm a troll. The fact I joined 6 years ago and am still here seems a dead giveaway I not, frankly. I suppose I have not been too active on the forums since you joined though, so you probably have not "seen" me before. Feel free to explain how I trolled you however, and perhaps then I can apologize. It's probably a misunderstanding, these things usually are.

You should know however, that your blacklist is extremely petty. I am not attacking you, or goading you here, I am warning you. It's the kind of thing you're going to want to forget you ever did when you're older, especially if you still visit this forum.

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Sorry to the rest of the thread, I wont even feint an attempt that any of this is on topic. This is in response to a personal attack. I probably should take the high road and not be goaded into a response, but I'm not that noble. If someone attacks me I may not attack back, but I have a hard time not defending myself. :/


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Posted: 19th Jun 2011 07:38
Okay. You know what? I don't care who's right or wrong. Let's just put it behind us. I don't think very many of us handled this situation right at all. So, let's stop before we get the topic locked. Let's just say we're all wrong at some point, and leave it at that. Peace?
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@Amo Deus Man, peace sounds great.
Thanks man. Hope things are going well in your thread and all.

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Anyone here watch Red vs. Blue? I saw some episodes recently, and yeah it was funny, but the quality of the animation blew me away, particularly in the fight sequence I watched.

Halo multiplayer was pretty fun, I almost got good at it! XD
Only with friends though. I don't see much appeal playing against people online. Even when it's a team of us vs online, not as fun as a lan match.
(fav. video game multiplayer of mine is Smash Bros., no items)

When I borrowed the game, I wassurprised to find I enjoyed a fair bit of the originals campaign. The fact that everything was bright silly colors faded into the background, and I found that the healthbar and shield combination much appealed to my gamer sense. I hated the parts where you went from one identical place to another, but otherwise. The parts I played of the 3rd campaign... well they were boring. Still great, great music, but boring.


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Quote: "(fav. video game multiplayer of mine is Smash Bros., no items)"


SSBB without items - except for HP stuff = awesome

and for the record, I am a man.

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@Bizar

The mo-cap studio they have at Rooster Teeth is pretty sexy now, the fight scene with Tex blows my mind.

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By third campaign, do you mean Halo 3, or the 3rd level of Halo 1?

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Halo 3.

And yeah, that's the fight scene I saw


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Yeh Halo 3 was too short, and in hindsight - kinda directionless.

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