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DeadTomGC
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Posted: 20th Jun 2011 01:30 Edited at: 20th Jun 2011 01:31
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My lenovo y530 laptop, which I just upgraded to windows 7, consistently has it main processor around 130 F and the fan does not run at full speed. It has been doing this for a while now and I am wondering if this could damage the processor.
Also, Is there any thing I could do about it even if the heat won't harm it?


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I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty sure that's not at a dangerous level. Granted, it might not live as long if it stays at that temp non-stop, but I don't think it's past the max recommended level.

Maybe someone else knows more though.

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That's about 54C, and that would be a little warm for me but within safety limits. It also depends on what CPU it is. Early Athlon CPUs (like my MP processors) would run around 72C on average, that's about 160F and considered normal for them.

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It's a pentium (intel).


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to do about it: replace the thermal paste on your heatsink (if it's an old computer), or get a better fan

but I don't think that's too dangerous of a temperature.


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Posted: 20th Jun 2011 03:49 Edited at: 20th Jun 2011 03:52
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Really, the only thing you CAN do is clean the heatsink (dust it off, get any hair or other grime out of it), repaste it with new thermal compound, and get a new heatsink/fan for it. In rarer circumstances, it could be that you're not getting enough airflow through the case itself and in that case you would want to look into improving your exhaust/intake case fans. If you're truly worried about overheating and/or want to overclock the CPU -- and you don't have budget concerns -- you could look into water cooling.

I hate to hijack a thread like this... but I don't want to make a new "Is ##F too hot?" thread.

Recently my GPU has been overheating. Is there anything I can do about that? It's a Radeon 4870HD, and it's idling at around 50-60C.. when stressed (like playing a game) it shoots up to around 95-97C .... I've cleaned out my computer case and every component, so not a ton of dust left in there to insulate heat. Anything else I can do aside from just getting a new one? Manually cranking up the GPU fan to 100% will bring the temp down to idling around 40-45C, but it's ungodly loud and annoying not to mention bad for the fan to sit at 100% for extended periods of time... Sad thing is, even leaving the fan at 80-100% the GPU will still overheat when playing a game for too long.


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@Plystire

Quote: "Manually cranking up the GPU fan to 100%"


How did you do that? That would be pretty helpful for me.

PS if you did not take note it is just a lousy ideapad laptop I am working with here.


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Pentiums run pretty hot because of the dated fabrication process they use - for a Pentium, 54C isn't too bad. If it hits 80C then you've got a problem.

For setting the fan speed, try downloading a program called SpeedFan - it should be noted it doesn't work with all hardware. Failing that, try the BIOS - it may have an option to crank the fan up.

If it was AMD I would say to enable the Cool 'n' Quiet feature which underclocks your CPU when it is not being used to conserve power and heat. But as it's Intel I'm not sure what the equivalent is. If you're in Linux there is a part of the kernel called CPUfreq which can be used to do exactly the same thing.

Failing all of that, if you are still worried about your temps then buy a laptop cooling pad.


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I use Catalyst Control Center to control fan speed and clock rates. It's provided by ATi when you download drivers.


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Plystire: CCC doesn't give you the option to regulate CPU fan speed,especially not in a laptop.

54°C is a completely normal temperature for a laptop. For example,my laptop ran at about 110°C,still runs today,but that was a very very very dangerous limit.


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Quote: "Recently my GPU has been overheating. Is there anything I can do about that? It's a Radeon 4870HD, and it's idling at around 50-60C.. when stressed (like playing a game) it shoots up to around 95-97C .... I've cleaned out my computer case and every component, so not a ton of dust left in there to insulate heat. Anything else I can do aside from just getting a new one? Manually cranking up the GPU fan to 100% will bring the temp down to idling around 40-45C, but it's ungodly loud and annoying not to mention bad for the fan to sit at 100% for extended periods of time... Sad thing is, even leaving the fan at 80-100% the GPU will still overheat when playing a game for too long.
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Can you take the fan/heatsink off the card and apply new thermal paste?
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My intel celeron D has been up to 87C!!
It is now at a steady 60-63C but it seems fine with that temperature and I can't get it any lower.

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Posted: 20th Jun 2011 21:26 Edited at: 20th Jun 2011 21:27
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@ OBese87
Quote: "My intel celeron D has been up to 87C!!"


My celeron worked at 110c BEAT THAT!!!

But really, celerons are frigging unkillable, same goes for other intel processors especially the LGA ones as they have no pins and tons of saftey stuff inside them, even turning on a computer under water, the mobo might fry but an intel CPU will just shut off for protection and still work after you dry it off. Same goes for heat, if it gets too hot, it will just shut off and work when it cools off.

Yes we tried killing a quadcore CPU at work. This quadcore CPU didnt work with the customers particular motherboard, so he asked us to test it, and since my coworkers were all crooks, they wanted to keep it. So they told him that the CPU is dead. the customer asked to keep the dead cpu and apperentley if the technitian declared a part dead, its a bad practice to give back a working part, so they definatley had to kill the part. We had a lot of fun trying to kill it. heating it up with a soldering fan, OCing it to insane levels, getting it wet Even trying to short out pins (soldering some of them together, trying to start it up and removing the solder later) the thing still worked. Eventually, using some crazy, low level cpu program on linux, we managed to bypass some of the protection and kill it.

Also i once dropped a 3.4 pentium D on the pavement really hard. There was physical damage but the CPU still works

so yeah 54c dont worry about it if its below 80c

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My Girldfriend's laptop has a Pentium D in it - I really don't know what they were thinking... it's the hottest chip Intel have ever produce, and they're putting it in a laptop...


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The very first thing to do is to check that no process is running out of control. Only after that do you look at the hardware.

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Posted: 20th Jun 2011 23:50 Edited at: 20th Jun 2011 23:50
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Quote: "For setting the fan speed, try downloading a program called SpeedFan - it should be noted it doesn't work with all hardware. Failing that, try the BIOS - it may have an option to crank the fan up.
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Ok, I got speedfan and it seems to help a little, but what exactly do you mean by bios?


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When you start your computer up there should be a message that says something along the lines of "Press DEL to enter setup". It's where you can adjust all the basic hardware functions on your computer.


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Posted: 21st Jun 2011 00:23 Edited at: 21st Jun 2011 01:26
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@ The Wildbeast
Quote: "it's the hottest chip Intel have ever produce, and they're putting it in a laptop..."


Do you know if the laptop socket for this cpu is socket p (variation of the the old p4 prescott socket 478 for mobile processors) or is it an LGA 775?

Because there are these completley insane Chinese laptops from Clevo models C900,D900,F900 (they are sold under such brands as Sager NP series, Mtech, RJtech Deviltech) basically these are insane monsters of a laptop which have like top of the line Dual SLI mobile GPUs (latest one has dual GTX470M which are extremley powerful for a a notebook card and can even rival my HD5870), can fit 2 harddrives that can be configured in raid and you can even add a third HDD instead if the DVD/BD drive. They also hold up to 12-16 gigs of the fastest DDR3 memory and finally they have frigging DESKTOP LGA SOCKET PROCESSORS older ones had even top of the line QX9xxx cpus modern ones support top of the line hexacore i7 extreme edition CPUs.

Of course these laptops are insanley huge and expensive. The best configuration could cost up to $7000

its my dream laptop.

here is the latest one they have






here is the full review of this monster

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-mySN-XMG-U700-ULTRA-GTX-470M-SLI-Notebook.45215.0.html

imagine how hot that notebook gets!!

Even tho its my dream notebook, I dont like the slight changes in the latest design trying to make parts of it look more sleek/modern/stylish.

The older D900-F900 models looked a lot cooler in my opinion because they were more strict/ angular and a bit retro-ish design (i like retro)

this is what the F900 looks like



you can still get the F900 with a powerful sli graphics cards, but it wont be extremley bleeding edge and i dont think they support the latest GPUs (unless the latest revision of their hardware did give it support)

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Having fans on the bottom is stupid IMO, it's always going to be on a flat surface or somebody's lap, so they're going to be blocked. :S

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Dear god, those things are impressive!

It's only a couple of years old so I'm going to guess socket 755.


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Quote: "It's only a couple of years old so I'm going to guess socket 755."


pardon me i feel a bit stupid, I have never really heard of socket 755 (775 yes) i googled it but i didnt really get any clear answers on what socket 755 is. apperentley its an LGA socket (which is rare for a laptop) Is socket 755 some chopped version of the socket 775? or is 755 just a common typo and i am being really dumb right now?

Quote: "Having fans on the bottom is stupid IMO, it's always going to be on a flat surface or somebody's lap, so they're going to be blocked"

I have this problem with my acer. its always either on my bed or on my lap and gets clogged up pretty easily.

I have to take it apart every 3 months and clean it. Also unlike most older laptops which had convenient hardware placement so you didnt have to take it completley apart to clean (some laptops it was take off the front panel under the screen,keyboard, and the metal plate underneath, and you have acess to the CPU, fans, heatsinks ETC. Or in other geek-friendly laptops there would just be a panel on the bottom which you unscrew and have acess to ram, cpu, heatsink, HDD and everything) Basically to get to the CPU and to clean out the clogged heatsinks, i have to COMPLETLEY TAKE APART MY ACER! i even have to unscrew the motherboard from the laptop chassis since the fans/heatsinks are on the underside of the motherboard. Then you have to unscrew the fans and the heatsinks to actually clean them out. Basically its annoying as hell.
Every time i take apart my laptop to clean it, i even started timing myself trying to set a better time record on how long it takes me to take it apart, clean it, and put it back together lol. my last record was like 1 hour i think.

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My graphics card used to get into the upper 80s (Celsius!!!). Then it started having problems...

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once i forgot to hook up the fan after cleaning my friends 8800GTX and i turned it on, and it heated up and it started smelling like burnt plastic, (must have been more than 100c) and on top of that friend was trying to play a game. Then it overheated so much it BSODd on us, and my frend started to panic, decided to toch the 8800 heatsink to check how hot it is and burned his finger on it, then i was like ooops i forgot to turn on the fan and he thought i fried his card but it cooled off, i turned on the fan and it still worked good as new

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Quote: "Plystire: CCC doesn't give you the option to regulate CPU fan speed,especially not in a laptop."


This wasn't for the laptop, this is for my desktop computer. And I wasn't talking about CPU fan speed, I was talking about GPU fan speed. If I wanted to regulate the CPU fan speed manually, I'd go into the BIOS and do it, since I don't normally trust these random free widgets to not contain adware.


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Quote: "pardon me i feel a bit stupid, I have never really heard of socket 755 (775 yes) i googled it but i didnt really get any clear answers on what socket 755 is. apperentley its an LGA socket (which is rare for a laptop) Is socket 755 some chopped version of the socket 775? or is 755 just a common typo and i am being really dumb right now?"

Sorry, stupid typo - I meant 775. I see you craftily edited the bit you wrote which said Prescott P4 or 756


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arrrrggg you got me it would have been best if didnt notice that

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Quote: "Having fans on the bottom is stupid IMO, it's always going to be on a flat surface or somebody's lap, so they're going to be blocked."

That's why they have tiny feet to create a small gap between the case and desk surface.

As for that laptop Pagan posted, I wonder how they fitted the fusion reactor inside of it for powering all that.

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idk, but i heard that its powered by tiny hamsters with those running wheels.

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