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Neuro Fuzzy
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Posted: 21st Jun 2011 13:29 Edited at: 21st Jun 2011 13:32
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I want to get a new computer based around the I7 2600K cpu - mainly because it looks like it's the best processor/architecture out there, and at $300, it's expensive for my budget, but not wholly unaffordable.

So I've got a rig set up for $1126 (plus tax+shipping=$1231). Phaelax made a post in travis gatlin's thread, with an i5 2500 CPU build, and I ended up settling on the motherboard, ram, and PSU he posted in there.

Here's the exact product list:
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
EVGA 01G-P3-1467-AR GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) Superclocked 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video ...
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible ...
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K
2x APEVIA CF12SL-UBL 120mm Blue LED Case Fan
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM
COOLER MASTER Elite 430 RC-430-KWN1 Black Steel / Plastic Computer Case

The graphics card, I chose because its reviews said it had really good cooling, and I hate it when I have to back off from gaming because of a component running too hot.

I wanted to just take an optical drive from a friend or another computer in my house, but the only available ones are very very old, and are read-only. So I tried to find the cheapest one with all the standard write abilities.

The case I got seems sturdy, and there's a combo deal that includes the windows 7 operating system. As much as I dislike paying an extra $120 for an operating system, I can't really play games without windows, and I can't really say I'm not getting $120 worth of software.

It only comes with one front intake fan, so I got two other 120mm fans - one for the side and top (the sides of the computer which will have the most space with where I plan on positioning them)

summation pic, including prices:



I'm barely familiar with case size stuff, so I'll be triple checking measurements before I order, but from what I can tell, this is a good, a bit expensive top-endish build. thoughts? Preferences?


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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 21st Jun 2011 13:59
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if you are worried about graphics card heating up, Radeon hd5800 series have amazing cooling. (i know its already kinda old but i dont know much about the 6000 series yet). I have a 5870, the card is cold to the toch when idling, but when its running a game on full load dx11 and everything, its just warm to the toch, not even close to being hot. Also the 5870 hasnt met a game so far which it cant run on full load @ at least 30fps.

dont rule out radeons, they got really awesome latley. the best bang for your buck and amazing performance. I do have a GTX 460 2gb in my other PC but in terms of temperature and performance my 5870 just rips trough it.

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I have a radeon 5770 and It's cool and great. Drivers can be a pain when you play EVE online but steam is configured to run with Ati and you can update them from steam which is nice. You might want to get a full tower so you can like this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811108190&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Cases+(Computer+Cases+-+ATX+Form)-_-In+Win-_-11108190

because they are nice and open and help keep everything cool and also make switching components easier since Its a lot less cramped.
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Phaelax
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I typically think the power requirements most GPUs ask for is overkill. The card I plan to use in a mini-pc asks for a minimum 400w despite that the card itself never uses more than 60w under load. However, if I hadn't just looked at the power readings on that 465 I wouldn't have believed it used over 400w at times. Wow!

Your components all look good to me (well i did pick them already you said!). Awesome CPU, I plan to use the 2600S for a build of mine. That PSU has plenty of amperage for your GPU. You posted a link to an EVGA GeForce 465 but your picture shows an MSI 460. My experience with EVGA is they make a solid card, I'd recommend them.

I don't see a need for a full-tower case. They're taller, yes, but no wider and often no deeper. So really it'll be just as cramped unless you move your dvd-rom way up high with a long cable.

Price is about what I spent on my last big system build, I'd ditch the blue fan lights though!

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2011 06:01 Edited at: 22nd Jun 2011 06:03
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I would avoid the gtx 465. I've heard nothing but bad things about them. And if you want a well cooled card, I recommend this:

[href=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125345&Tpk=gtx%20460%20soc][/href]

(GTX 460 SOC)

EDIT: Sorry I can't get the link to work

There is also a 560 version/560 SOC with same cooler. Idling I get about 26-27 celsius.

As for the board-I've heard that the lower end ASRock boards die a lot, but others (like the sabertooth and obviously the really high end ones) do a lot better. I have no personal experience with them though.
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2011 06:30 Edited at: 22nd Jun 2011 06:33
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Until 6/23, you can get 15% off all desktop memory at Newegg with this promo code: DM15JN11US
I just picked up 8GB for ~$64 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231445)

I don't want to start a 3rd 'build a pc' thread, so hopefully you don't mind me posting this here. I was thinking about getting:

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Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157229
"


I already have:

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Diablotek PSDA 600W ATX 12v V2.2 Power Supply
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0342504

PNY GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB PCIe
http://www3.pny.com/font-color9999999800-GTX-512MB-PCIefont-P2730C396.aspx

2x 320GB SATA 3.0 Gb/sec 7200 RPM Hard drive

802.11 b/g wireless PCI adapter card 54 Mbps

Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1600 NTSC/ATSC Combo

Mid-size ATX Case
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Any thoughts?

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Errant AI
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I recently completed a 2600K build and love it. However, you might want to consider a Z68 Mobo over a P67.

The GTX465s are supposed to be quite loud at load. Moreso than a 470 and quite a bit more than the 500 series cards.

You don't need a full-tower but that CM430 seems a bit on the small-side as far as mid-towers go if you plan to have an aftermarket CPU cooler or to be able to fit a side fan with enough clearance from the graphics card.

I'm using a CM690ii which is about an inch wider than the 430 and it's a very close fit with the CPU cooler and about 1 inch clearance from the side fan and my graphics card. I also have about 0.8 inch clearance between the end of the card (about 11 inches long) and the back of the HDD rack.

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2011 07:37
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Z68 is fairly new, right? I haven't done any research on it. Why would you suggest it over the popular P67?

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The Z68 combines the benifits of the P67 and the H67 so you can OC like you would on a P67 and have the option of using integrated HD graphics for speciffic processes like video encoding where the integrated graphics is supposed to be faster than with a discrete GPU. Theres also a video out on the Mobo you can use as backup if your GPU goes down.

The Z68 also has some different tech which is supposed to allow you to use a small SSD to boost your mechanical HDDs to SSD-like performance levels.

I don't know how much is real vs hype but the prices are pretty similar for the most part. I'm using a P67 but had I waited a couple months I'd be using a Z68.
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Hmm....

So now I'm debating over two things: the GPU and the motherboard.

Sorry, I messed up the GPU link in my post. I meant to give this link for the gtx 460:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127510

Although... I think I'm gonna have to go with the card puppyofkosh recommended. That card doesn't look like it's going to overheat anytime soon.

I'm just starting to get into coding more serious multithreaded applications, and I plan on getting into serious parallel computing eventually. I'd guess that I'd be able to benefit from using the integrated graphics?

I'll need to check some warranty info. The measurements/socket types pan out as far as I can tell. I also might end up switching to a z68 chipset motherboard... time will tell.

Also... errant AI... That looks like a beast of a computer. I don't plan on doing much overclocking, so I'm going to stick with a stock fan, but I have to admit that it's very very tempting to get a processor cooler like the beast of a heatsink you have xD

Hmm... After re-reading your post I realized I haven't thought about whether or not a side fan would fit...


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I've never used ASRock before, and a few years ago I wouldn't have touched them because of unknown name at the time. But over the years, I consistently see many of their boards with very high ratings and the model you linked to also has a Toms-Hardware recommendation on top of its 5-egg status.

I've used Gigabyte, Asus, Abit, and Tyan boards in the past and my current Abit is the best mobo I've ever had. A few more years and I'll know if it outlasts the Asus. Solid state capacitors tell me yes.

The fan on that GPU looks more like flair than function.

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Quote: "Also... errant AI... That looks like a beast of a computer"


Thanks. I'm pretty proud of it as I hadn't done a build in several years.

i7-2600k, Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD4-B3, Asus GTX570, 16GB Corsair 1600, Corsair AX750 PSU are the core components.

I spent a lot of time looking at Mobo layouts and looking at various dimensions as I'm sure you are. My biggest mistake is that I probably should have spent more money on the case because I ended up spending too much upgrading and replacing fans to get the case temps down. The downside of Nvidia cards with the "reference design" fan and layout is that they are noisier at load and don't keep the GPU as cool as cooling designs like the one you last linked (which is similar to mine) However, the upside is that they do a better job of moving the hot air out the back of the case. Cards like mine or the one you linked will add more hot air to the inside of the case so it's more important to use a side fan to help break up hot spots (as an intake) or remove hot air (as an exhaust). The hottest spot inside my case is below the video card and above the PSU (a Corsair AX750 mounted fan-down). You'll probably have similar issues so its something to keep in mind.

Right now the CPU cooler is mostly decoration. I had it stably OC'd to 4.15Ghz but it made my room uncomfortable from the extra heat so its running stock speeds for now.
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I've decided to go with the card puppyofkosh recommended: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125345

Also, something cool I just read: the next intel architecture to be released (22nm "ivy bridge" as opposed to sandy bridge) is going to be compatible with the P67 and H67 chipsets.

And... after reading more about the Z68 chipset... I'm sold. I'm thinking this motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157250

Which... will be interesting. From what I understand, you use the video out on the motherboard, with "Lucid Virtu" enabled, to detect what GPU to use for what program. I also am pretty sure that OpenCL/parallel computing programs would not take advantage of the integrated graphics.


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Here's an i5-2500K CPU overclocked to 5GHz.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1606590

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