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Geek Culture / What is better, faster RAM or more overclocking?

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DeadTomGC
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 08:26
So I am trying to decide which company to by a gaming PC off of and it has come down to either getting 1600 RAM w/o overclocking or 1333 RAM with 10 or 20 percent OC.
The price difference is at most $20.
I really have no clue which is faster. What should I do?


bitJericho
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 12:36 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2011 12:40
The 1600 would be better, but there are a lot of other factors that are more important, such as cpu speed, cpu cache, fsb speed, ram multipliar, etc

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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 16:11
i would just get a good cpu and regular ddr3 ram, 1333 is good enough for me. My ram can clock at 1600 but i never overclocked it beyond 1333 and never had any problems or bottlenecks. I have a 3,4ghz quad phenom2, 8 gigs of ram, and a 5870.

Also about ram, I wouldnt even byuing any fancy gaming ram, just a cheap standard 4gb stick of ddr3 1333 is good enough. When i built my rig, i bought some of that fancy gaming ram (4gb), later i h replaced it wit 2 cheaper 4 gig sticks=8gb (4gb just dosent cut it anymore for firefox with 100 tabs+ memory hungry World of Tanks. And i didnt notice any performance decrease at all. if anything the extra 4 gigs made my computer run better and i can run firefox with 100 tabs and world of tanks without either one crashing.

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Phaelax
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 17:08
Quote: " i can run firefox with 100 tabs"

I thought I was the only one who opens that many browser tabs. Though Chrome seems to be a little less efficient than FF in terms of memory management these days.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 17:45
i never had problems with that many tabs on 4 gb of ram. untill i started playing world of tanks which has to be the most memory hungry game ever. Before i didnt even bother quitting games, i had like 2-3 games (that are not world of tanks) in the backround prosesses, if i wanted to play one of them i just click it and it comes up, no loading at all, and runs on full settings with no lag too. but now with 8 gigs of ram, i can have 5 even 6 games in the system background ready to be summoned to the monitor as well as firefox with 100 tabs. but usually my computer uses less than half of all its memory. i wonder when will 8 gigs become too small

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DeadTomGC
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 19:14
Well, I see that there are differing opinions, but I think I just found a cheap way I can get both.


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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 19:27
HOW????
tell us

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charger bandit
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 19:51
There is absolutely almost no difference between 1333mhz RAM and 1600mhz ram,it is only used for benchmarking,maybe shaves a point off. If you want to overclock good,you need quality RAM,no matter it's frequency.


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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 20:16 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2011 20:26
1600mhz ram is 20 percent faster, actually. It only makes a real difference when the processor's fsb matches that speed 1:1, multipliers aren't as effective. If your processor runs at 1333 and the ram is 1600, it will be just as fast as 1333 ram, unless they're both overclocked together. But I wouldn't recommend trusting that overclocked ram will be stable until it's been used for many, many hours with no problems.

When I overclock, I buy ram that's rated higher than the processor, I then overclock the processor as far as I can up to the ram speed. If this gives stable results, I may continue to overclock. However, ram in general doesn't overclock as well as a processor does.

For example, you might get 25 percent overclock out of the CPU but only 10 percent or less out of the ram. This has been my general experience with the few machines I've oc'd.

Also, you should never overclock past your motherboard's specs as it could burn other stuff out like the northbridge.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 20:31
Quote: "There is absolutely almost no difference between 1333mhz RAM and 1600mhz ram,it is only used for benchmarking,maybe shaves a point off. If you want to overclock good,you need quality RAM,no matter it's frequency.
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i totally agree. I think the 1333 ram is fast enough for pretty much everything these days. the 1600 doesent improve speed because its already going as fast as it canon 1333. but faster 1600 might actually give you more bandwidth rather than moving data faster.

I guess i can understand people who like to overclock their cpu, push their PC to the limit see how far it can go. But in my opinion overclocking is not a good practice as it wears down the CPU and it has more chance of malfunctioning and dying early from overclocking. Think of overclocking the cpu as doing meth or coke, or removing a restrictor plate from your 50cc moped just like the overclocked CPU these drugs will make you faster and more responsive, but your body will be under too much strain, and will start breaking down. Removing a moped restrictor plate removes the limit of how fast your engine can work, resulting in better speed. But your engine is still a tiny 50cc (unless you replaced the cylinder BUT STILL other factors are present that engine was designed to be 50cc and that restrictor plate is there for a reasone lust like the programmed default clock speed of your CPU is there for a reason. a 50 cc engine working on doble its maximum speed, will wear down much quicker overheat a lot more than it should (hot metal expands in size and depending on what metl it is, might get softer making it more volnurable to damage) and if you push it too hard, your transmission will eventually blow and your engine will prematurley die. And thats why i dont feed my CPU electric cocane lol. But really, if you just save up enough money and buy a good CPU near the top range. even a black edition AMD Phenom quadcore or even a 6 core are a lot cheaper than intels and will make your PC run like god. I got me a phenom 2 x4 3.4ghz quad last year and since then i comletley forgot about any problems i had in the past. Instead of slowly kiling your CPU and working up your nerves overclocking so you can run a game on higher settings, with a good cpu you can just lay back, forget about everything, and actually enjoy using your computer. (unless you enjoy tinkering with it more lol)

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 20:58
Difference between benchmarked 1333mhz ram and 1600mhz ram is about 0.1 percent to 0.2 percent,so I guess you just buy the ram that is cheaper at the time. For example,I got my 1600mhz cheaper than the same ram,just 1333mhz.


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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 21:13
yeah i regret spending almost 170 bucks on 4gb of fancy 1600mhz gaming ram last year, when just a few months ago i got a 4 gig stick of 1333 ram for just 50 bucks

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 22:34
I only overclocked my last CPU when it was starting to show serious signs of outdatement ( AMD Athlon 2000+ 1core 2.0ghz 6 year old ) And I made it run for a little longer, now I bought a new PC cause of the AGP GPU I was stuck with, and now my brother has my old PC.

Long story short, only overclock when your parts start to get outdated just to give them a little longer life, but only do it when you are able to replace it quickly. Like I bought my new PC half a year later because I was able to overclock it a little, but I could already have bought a new PC when I started overclocking.
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 22:42
Quote: "I only overclocked my last CPU when it was starting to show serious signs of outdatement ( AMD Athlon 2000+ 1core 2.0ghz 6 year old ) And I made it run for a little longer,"

holy crap dude, the last CPU i overclocked was the SAME ONE!!! what are the chances?

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 22:53
Not good at maths, but I think they're very slim. Damn how I loved that core, I mean, that PC still runs minecraft FAR render distance like a beast. I've seen modern PC do worse. Also I loved the fact that sometimes windows decided that instead of 1gb I only had 512mb of RAM, just cause he felt like it.
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2011 23:34
Quote: "I thought I was the only one who opens that many browser tabs. Though Chrome seems to be a little less efficient than FF in terms of memory management these days."


Theres a firefox 5 now
DeadTomGC
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Posted: 4th Jul 2011 00:37 Edited at: 4th Jul 2011 00:38
Quote: "HOW????"


Right here


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Posted: 4th Jul 2011 01:12 Edited at: 4th Jul 2011 01:15
Quote: "Not good at maths, but I think they're very slim. Damn how I loved that core, I mean, that PC still runs minecraft FAR render distance like a beast. I've seen modern PC do worse. Also I loved the fact that sometimes windows decided that instead of 1gb I only had 512mb of RAM, just cause he felt like it. "

looks like your CPU was damaged. My amd gave me BSODs during some games

I dont know how many ALU units modern CPUs have, but i recentley learned that a russian company- MCST restarted manufacturing and development of their own CPUs called ELBRUS. These CPUs are for the army market so far. You say your cpu isnt good at maths well Elbrus CPUs specialize in it. they have i think 6 ALUs, can emulate x86 (they are based on their own instruction set). But the most interesting part is these CPUs are 500 mhz but they easily beat any pentium 3 cpu and in some areas, their performance is as good as a 2ghz p4. Also they dont need cooling. at all because they barley give off any heat, and they can withstand temperatures up to 300c and continue working without any negative effects on the performance. Also they usually have 4 of these CPUs on a motherboard to make up for the low cpu speed. They even made an army laptop based on this CPU this thing runs MSVS OS which is a unix based OS developed by the russian military and it supports GPS and GLONASS which is a russian GPS-like system (not many devices these days that support both systems). I really want this laptop just to screw around with it. Also while my coworkers have HPs and Dells, i wanna see their reaction if i come to work with this thing lol. For a while now,
So far MCST makes computers just for the military, but they did say that their production would soon be avaliable on the public market but that was 2 years ago and me along with hundreds of other geeks are desperatley waiting for this stuff to be avaliable
Right now MCST are developing a new Elbrus-S cpu which is supposed to be like 1ghz quadcore i think. Other than elbrus there are other russian CPUs which are all 300-500 mhz. Just Elbrus is their main project right now.

This might look like really crappy outdated stuff, but russian compouter industry pretty much stopped in 1990 Then they decided restart it in 1996, when MCST company partnered up with AMD and started making AMD cpus for the russian market. So thee was a large 6-7 year hole in the industry and now they are trying to catch up. and i think they are doing a pretty good job at it too and if they continue developing, i hope they come out with something actually cool and move to the open market. I want like an MCST Elbrus GTZX19999XTZ videocard lol

btw this reminds me and i want to share this. I have been to the city where MCST and the rest of russian computer industry is focused Its called Zelenograd which means Green-city (and there is actually a lot of green there lots of parks little traffic population 200k, and the city is extremeley clean and has an overall happy positive atmosphere to it. And the people there love their city and are really proud of it. What i thought was the coolest thing about the city is the official city emblem on their flag is a picture of a CPU. i think thats the best flag ever, next time i am there i will buy myself one. Also the city has no street names at all, its weird but people there navigate by district name and building number
thats all

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Posted: 4th Jul 2011 18:55
@DeadTomGC, I was just looking at that white case at the store yesterday and it looked quite nice. Those two front fans pulls straight out without any wires. The plastic housing has a special contact that makes the power connection for the 3-pin fans. Here's a pic of what I mean:
http://i.neoseeker.com/neo_image/187770/article/nzxt_h2_classic_silent/fan2.jpg

The case is lighter than you'd think too.

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Posted: 5th Jul 2011 05:42 Edited at: 5th Jul 2011 05:43
Thanks for letting me know, but I just bought the PC (Slightly customized of course) and decided not to get that case. I really don't care about the case, as long as it has some basic features to keep the hardware cool and looks pretty good.

Anyway, I will finally be able to play some of the games I am trying to make.

Edit: Oh! Oh! and Minecraft on max graphics.


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