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Neotron
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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 23:05 Edited at: 8th Jul 2011 12:01
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Hi guys.
First of all , plz dont say that its not a good place to ask this question but its off topic sooo.
I wanna ask , am i talented. I am under 18 and i know these softwares (not fully but i can do stuff with it)
3ds max 9 (modelling,texturing,rigging,animating , plus i did 3ds max from a recognized institute)
Body paint 3d (painting on poly)
Adobe Photoshop (photo correction)
Audacity (i did voice changes for my college project)
Fl studio (a little loop music for my new project)
Darkbasic pro (well dark gdk)
Blitz3d ( used to do it)
Visual c++ 2008 ( only c)
a little rain meter script.
And an ability to understand almost any software within few minutes(minutes CAN range to hours or so).And some hardwares too.

So i live in a 3rd world country and can i get a scholar ship or atleast a course in microsoft for extended programming and 3d program.

Thanks in advance.

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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 23:12 Edited at: 6th Jul 2011 23:12
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i wish i had that kind of money to buy those software when i was your age. lol

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Ocho Geek
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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 23:16
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Quote: "So i live in a 3rd world country and can i get a scholar ship or atleast a course in microsoft for extended programming and 3d program."


Something about wanting a scholarship for a microsoft course and living in a third world country says those softwares weren't payed for. Elementary My dear Watson, not like you'd need to sherlock to figure this
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CoffeeGrunt
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I feel you should show us some of your work to gauge how talented you are.

What is all the fuss about anyway?
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Ocho Geek
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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 23:25
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Yeah, I know what just about everything does in photoshop, It doesn't mean I'm that good at it.
With graphical programs it's as much to do with your artistic skill as with your computer skills
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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 23:25
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Quote: "And an ability to understand almost any software within few minutes"


You haven't used Oracle software have ya?

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Quik
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being able to list softwares doesnt mean you are talented Iam afraid, show us work and we can tell you stuff >_'<

and for the record, I am a man.

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I can learn the notes of a violin in minutes, and where to place the bow to get these notes. The heck will I ever be capable of performing at a concert though.

What is all the fuss about anyway?
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Quote: "I am under 18 and i know these softwares from top to bottom."

I doubt it...


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Jeku
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Posted: 7th Jul 2011 01:19
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Let's not assume he's a pirate, people. After all, I studied 3DS Max in artschool and never purchased it.


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Knowing a software != Making good quality products with/from it.That's where the talent lies.

...And this is the funniest of all jokes : "
Quote: "And an ability to understand almost any software within few minutes."
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Posted: 7th Jul 2011 01:33 Edited at: 7th Jul 2011 01:34
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As stated, simply knowing software doesn't make you talented, but knowing the software is generally a plus for jobs in the industry. A lot of job openings on game studio's sites (Blizzard comes to mind) say that knowing something like Maya is a plus. It's definitely not a bad thing that you spent the time to learn the software, it just doesn't represent "talent".

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That's a nice and rounded list of software to have in your arsenal. I'm guessing that the main point of your post is to gauge whether or not it is worth trying out for a scholarship.

If i were in your shoes,(being under 18) i would utilize the time you have left at home to dedicate yourself to creating a showpiece that really exhibits your talent.

you can then use that to aid you in pleading your case for a scholarship. The piece should be polished and immediately striking. It should also reflect your understanding of the tools you used to create it.

showing them that you are bright, capable, focused and dedicated will go a long way.

I've never received a scholarship so I dont know the exact process, but if i were giving away a valuable space in a class they are characteristics i would look for, and bringing a showpiece to the table without having to be asked would show good initiative.

Good luck.

ps. I notice you have some audio software in your list, if you have an interest in audio and want to extend your understanding, i would add pro-tools and Reason to the list.

they are industry standard tools and will further your understanding while adding quality and flexibility to your sound work.

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Posted: 7th Jul 2011 01:53
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Anyone can say they know XYZ. You need to have something to show for it. What software have you made with DBPro or VC++? What models have your made in 3ds max? What music have you made with FL studio? What have you accomplished with all the other software you've listed?

Presumably you have actually accomplished something, in which case you can use that to build a portfolio.

Also there is no way you know VC++ 2008 from top to bottom. C++ itself is huge, and then there are all the microsoft specific features on top. To list a few of the more hard-core features:
- Template functions/classes (CRTP and SFINAE)
- Multiple and virtual inheritance
- Member function pointers/member data pointers
- Inline ASM
- Precompiler tricks

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Posted: 7th Jul 2011 11:03 Edited at: 7th Jul 2011 11:03
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i would love to see his work. btw i think he owns the student edition. that's the only cheap and legal way since he is young and most likely a student.

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Posted: 7th Jul 2011 11:12
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What everyone said above. Knowing software is not a talent. A week is all you'd need to thoroughly learn most pieces of software, if you systematically went through toolsets and manuals (programming languages aside). It's what you can make with them that counts.

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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 7th Jul 2011 11:23
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Quote: "Am i talented?"

No, you suck

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Van B
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Posted: 7th Jul 2011 11:30
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Well 3 weeks ago you posted this:

Quote: "
So i wanted to ask are there any good tutorials that actually teach you how to make the texture in a image making program for use with the uv template.

I have seen alot of tuts on how to make uv's from 3ds max and then they just show us the texture and don't teach you how to make it.

Plz feel free to post the link.

Thnx in advance
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Sorry to call you out like that, but really knowing how to use a program is very different from KNOWING how to use a program. It takes practice or raw natural talent, along with some practice. The best media people here have spent years perfecting their techniques, and really you have to be prepared to do the same.

I think you need to work on a portfolio if you plan to apply for a scholarship, because you can be sure that there will be crazily talented people applying. Most of them will concentrate on 1 aspect, so if you can make a good looking game with good sound and music, I think that would be an excellent portfolio.

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Posted: 7th Jul 2011 15:33 Edited at: 7th Jul 2011 15:44
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..I didn't really read the whole thread, only what you are 'capable' of. Altough I am very sceptical towards this 'look what i can do'-threads, I would like to see some portfolio work, I can imagine as soon as you knew 3DSMax from top to bottom you immeadiately thought, lets make a portfolio, because this is awesome, did you not?

Besides that, from your current approach to and activity on the forum ain't really promising, so yes! Do make a portfolio.

And if you bought all that software, which ofcourse I doubt, and or you have educational versions, I really encourage you do dev into it a little more.

Plus if I had the opportunity to enter such course, I would not even think neither say a word about it on a forum you seem not to have much activity on.

Anyway, to answer your question:
Maybe this has been said before to you, but knowning drawing-toolset doesnt mean you can draw, thus doesnt mean you have talent.
Altough I do believe (if what you stated is the thruth), you are very full of knowlegde. So I would encourage you to enter some good projects, and learn from there.

Another small little thing that probably catched ... EVERYBODY ... their attention:
Quote: "And an ability to understand almost any software within few minutes."


Did you learnt the programs you state above within minutes? Awesome.

Well that was me, and have a good day.

Cheers,

Leo

Quote: "- Template functions/classes (CRTP and SFINAE)
- Multiple and virtual inheritance
- Member function pointers/member data pointers
- Inline ASM
- Precompiler tricks"


Aye. But I believe he meant 'DarkGDK', which ofcourse implies some commands. But he thought it was all there is to C++, if we look at his posts in the forum anyway.

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Whether you're good or not, apply for the scholarship anyway. What do you have to lose?

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You can't rely on encouragement from others, especially strangers! If this is something you want to do then go for it, you might not succeed on the first try and it may take a lot longer to get where you want to be but if you believe in yourself that no matter what happens you can achieve your goal then you will some day.

That's the most generalised piece of advice I've ever given.

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I breifly read the post. So not 100% on board here but I'd say talent is a over used word today. I guess changing a tire could be considered a skill these days. So sure your skilled why not. If someone can make thousands of dollars for changing a tire in less then 5 seconds, you could be talented for purchasing and knowing how to install software.
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Ocho Geek
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ah yes,

If the course is taught in english, and that's not your first language (I presume at least) then when applying, make sure you come across as somebody extremely competent at English, If its written, let us proofread it, and somebody will point out any errors, if you need to go to a spoken interview, well, just read as much written English as you can, and try to find out any spoken grammar errors you make when you speak


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Ocho Geek not sure whom your attempting to police grammer wise but that behavior is not tolerated on here. Just a warning before you get mod vision from a mod or worse. Were a respectable community and if you want to complain about poor english, read someones Txt message sometime.
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I am pretty sure that was advice to the topic, and not complaining

and for the record, I am a man.

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Neotron
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OK i have an album showing some of my work on facebook.

But i am sorry guys , i got mixed comments at this and i am getting a little bit scared too right now.

I am not offending anyone but i have a little experience with posting on threads , like how to explain my stuff.

SO yeah for those who have said that am i eligible for a course then yes thats what am i after.

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At the end of the day, it's better to get honest opinions in a place like this, than when your at an interview. Even if the comments might seem harsh, if you consider what is being said, you might be more prepared, have a better understanding of what is expected in applications and interviews.

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Ok so i have uploaded only 8 of my album. The rest includes me slaughtering elites(my model but bunjies idea). My face burnt and a terminator type cyborg face.

So i have some projects too.

And i didnt made any thing sell that i made with any of these softwares. If i would i would buy the actual softwares (and also the commercial license of dark gdk).

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@VAN B
Thank you sir, but i am ready for anything.

@ocho geek
There are tests for us to pass known as IELTS. WE cant go to US or UK until we pass it.

@redneck rambo
Yes i suck at something cause i am a human.

@jeku
Thank you sir for pointing that i out.

@neotron
Plz be detail full when posting. OH.

So Still i was really gonna ask , is there any scholar ship?

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Quote: "Ocho Geek not sure whom your attempting to police grammer wise but that behavior is not tolerated on here. Just a warning before you get mod vision from a mod or worse. Were a respectable community and if you want to complain about poor english, read someones Txt message sometime."


What Quik Said, It's genuine advice, not abuse.
If you need to prove your English to get into a course not spoken in your first language, It's important to come across as having good English.
I didn't even gauge Neotron's English, because I doubt you could from a couple of forum entries

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Took a look at the IELTS, If it's graded, rather than just pass/fail Then getting an exceptional grade should really look good when applying to that course.

As for whether you can get a scholarship, You'd have to look at the course details, whether on the internet, or wherever you were told of the course first


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@OldSchool

Like to see you get a job with bad grammar and spelling on the application form.

What is all the fuss about anyway?
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Yeah, show us some examples. I've tinkered with software for years but completely fail when it comes to the artistic side of things.

My brother in law, on the other hand, is a professional artist and a couple of years ago got a job at Lego. Apparently he never really used 3D packages before but pretty quickly he got this out the door in his spare time (think they use Maya):-

And that is pretty simple to what he has done since.

I'm pretty sure you could give me a few years and I would be lucky to get close to that (even with the more standard shapes of Lego). ie. Doesn't really matter how good you are with computers it's more important how artistic you are if you want things to look good.

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That is pretty sweet dazzag, especially if he had no experience prior. I want his mentor!

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*cracks knuckels and clasps hands together*

Impress us.

*reads thread*

Well your 3D & photoshop work could see alot of improvement. Your hard surface modeling is pretty good but organics arent so much. Uv mapping, rendering and a few other areas need alot of work too. Its promising though ;D

Things to look at

Animation deformation.

Character modeling 101's

Polycount Wikipedia on EVERYTHING 3D

Polycount itself

An they should do you for a few weeks. While Polycount, years.


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uhh, he hasn't posted any work


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Yeah he has. Check his most recent post and click "view" in the bottom right hand corner.

EDIT: Second to last post, right above his last post.



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yeah, those aren't too spectacular. whilst those are quite busy pictures, you can always cheat and do a basically modelled and raytraced glass, they always look good


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I do love ray tracing for cheap prettiness.

What is all the fuss about anyway?
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@ CoffeeGrunt

I have to laugh at ya because i have a part time job as a writter lol I write articles for web sites and college Prof letures. Not my fav thing to do but its a little extra cash. i will admit grammer is very important when submiting pro work but on a general forum such as this, I dont use spell checker nor do i see a point after reading my wifes txt messages. In fact after hearing her family talk, I wonder if its even english sometimes. She attempts to talk to me like im a txt message as well sometimes. Rather annoying but what can u do.

This is the world we live in today.Txt messaging, poor grammer, and just really weird things lol
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Quote: "This is the world we live in today.Txt messaging, poor grammer, and just really weird things lol"


Everybody else uses proper grammar here.

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When I was your age we didn't have these fancy spell checkers or magic boxes to type our words lol
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How old are you anyway? When I was a kid we had spell checkers on computers and I'm 39 (40 next month).

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Happy birthday in advance.

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had spell checkers all my life

and all my life i havent payed attention to them

and for the record, I am a man.

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I think this video is relavent, it also mostly sums up my opinion on the subject



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@ Cormorant5:

Thanks

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@Grog Grueslayer you're born in August too? me too. I was born on the 28th of August.

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I was born on 20th of august 2552 ( what was i suppose to do anyway).

And thanks so much for these posts.

But is there anyone who can actually guide me towards my goal.

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wow so many august people here. i feel more home here already.

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Quote: "I was born on the 28th of August."


LOL me either


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