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Geek Culture / Will this GFX card fit in this PC?

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AJ Schaeffer
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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 01:09
Will this graphics card fit in this PC?

Sorry but when it comes to the hardware side of PCs, I'm clueless

Indicium
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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 01:13
Probably not, looks like quite a small case.

AJ Schaeffer
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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 01:27
I'll fit in this one right?
According to the dimensions of the card and the PC it should fit

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 01:33
Well if the dimensions say it'll fit, then it should. I'm just saying it looks small.

AJ Schaeffer
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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 01:35
haha

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 01:43
hmmm...does this seem like a good gaming computer? I'm trying to stay below $450...

Right now I have a laptop thaat can only run games like CS:S and HL:2 on high settings. I can barely run CoD 4 on LOWEST settings... would the above stated PC be better?

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 02:01
The graphics card/chip sucks, so no.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 02:08 Edited at: 15th Jul 2011 02:09
I'd always say custom build. The i3 range isn't really a high-performance range anyways. Nor is relying on intergrated graphics

I'd look at AMD processors, which tend to be cheaper

For a "Gaming" PC, you'd want a Phenom X4 (of any kind), A dedicated graphics card (not a low end one) and at least 2GB ram (at a stretch, you really want 4+)


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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 02:16
Quote: " Phenom X4"


You'd be fine with a dual core, I doubt you'll find any games that take advantage of a quad core.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 17:23 Edited at: 15th Jul 2011 17:27
Quote: "You'd be fine with a dual core, I doubt you'll find any games that take advantage of a quad core."


I'd recommend a quad core. A lot of high end games will use it, and you'll find it's much more useful in other programs/multitasking. Add to that AMD quad cores are crazy cheap.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 17:36
The i3 is a bit old, they're mostly using it for laptops now. If you can, go for 6 core, but quad core works perfectly fine as well. Right now I'm running on duel core perfectly fine, but I've got one of these babies coming in the mail.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 18:16
Quote: "If you can, go for 6 core"

I don't agree with that at all - the only people that should be buying 6 cores are those doing heavy tasks such as audio and video work. A quad core is likely more than he'll need in most cases. Better to save on the CPU so he can buy a better graphics card.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 19:43
Quote: "I'd recommend a quad core. "


I guess what the President says, goes. I thought most games only really used a single core.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 20:03
Quote: "I guess what the President says, goes. I thought most games only really used a single core."

I think most large games now are multithreaded, for example with game logic running on one core and physics working on the other. A few games (such as Crysis) also benefit from more than 2 cores, but these are fairly rare.

My advice would actually be to get something like an Athlon II X3, and if you're lucky you can unlock the extra core to a Phenom II X4. If you can then you've saved yourself about £15 or so, and if you can't then no big deal - 3 cores is still plenty!

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 20:07
Quote: " if you're lucky you can unlock the extra core to a Phenom II X4"


Go with the AMD Phenom 555 X2 Black edition, it's around £65 but unlocks to a quad most of the time, I've done it with my friend's with just a simple change in the bios. I should've bought that one myself, but instead I opted for an already unlocked quad.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 20:17
Quote: "Go with the AMD Phenom 555 X2 Black edition, it's around £65 but unlocks to a quad most of the time, I've done it with my friend's with just a simple change in the bios. I should've bought that one myself, but instead I opted for an already unlocked quad."

I will second this - Black Edition = Easy overclocking = WIN!

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 22:24
Quote: "I don't agree with that at all - the only people that should be buying 6 cores are those doing heavy tasks such as audio and video work. A quad core is likely more than he'll need in most cases. Better to save on the CPU so he can buy a better graphics card.
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It's called future proofing. Quad core is already a thing of the past. Out with the old, in with the new.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 22:37 Edited at: 15th Jul 2011 22:38
Quote: "It's called future proofing. Quad core is already a thing of the past. Out with the old, in with the new."

How on earth is quad core a thing of the past? My friend bought a hexacore, I told him he was a retard. Three months down the line he sold it and agreed that he was a retard - he's a heavy gamer and found it to be severe overkill, the 5th and 6th cores barely ever went above 10%.

For anything but audio and video etc. the clock speeds have a far greater impact than the number of cores. It's also a much cheaper way to improve performance.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2011 23:32 Edited at: 15th Jul 2011 23:33
Quote: "For anything but audio and video etc. the clock speeds have a far greater impact than the number of cores. It's also a much cheaper way to improve performance."


Read this please.

My laptop has a duel core 1.83 GHz processor. My old desktop has a 2.4 GHz single core. My duel core runs better than my single core, yet has a lower clock rate. You seem to be confused on the two. I'm going to be honest now, there is no way in hell that my AMD Athlon II X2 is going to be better and more efficient and powerful than my AMD Phenom II X6 coming in the mail. Sorry, it's just no possible. While not many games use multithreading yet, what are people going to be stuck with when many more games actually have it? A nice graphics card. While it's important to have both, I would rather have a higher end processor than a new graphics card. Your graphics card performance relies a lot on your processor itself.

I remember years ago, I was so hard pressed to get a new graphics card. I wanted to play GMod without lag, and I was nearly certain that a graphics card would make my problems much better. I had 2gb RAM (more than the game needed), and I had a faster processor than the minimum requirement, so I thought if I just cram a nicer card into my PC, I would easily be able to play. I was wrong. I upgraded my card to one with 246mb of memory (my integrated had 128), but I still didn't get the speeds I wanted. Was still laggy. So I installed more RAM (the second most idiotic thing people tell you to do to get better performance), still the same boat. A friend hooked me up with his old Pentium 4 HT 3.2 GHz. I plugged it in, my system flew. For those who don't know, the Pentium 4 HT was a single core processor that was hyperthreaded and act as a multi core one. The system ran great. I used it for 5 years until I got a new PC just this year.

People put too much pressure on one thing. You need to have a good combination of hardware to run smoothly. While you may have a nice graphics card, if your processor is basic and average, you're still only going to get slightly better performance.

Quote: "How on earth is quad core a thing of the past? My friend bought a hexacore, I told him he was a retard. Three months down the line he sold it and agreed that he was a retard - he's a heavy gamer and found it to be severe overkill, the 5th and 6th cores barely ever went above 10%."


So your friend sold it because it was too good?

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 00:45
We're not saying a Six core is worse. We're saying it

A-Generally gives more power that most games need
B-Will be too expensive for the person asking


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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 01:25 Edited at: 16th Jul 2011 01:29
my recommendation are phenom x4 9XX series. if you're going for ati GPU than go for a HD 57XX series or higher. as for nvidia i would recommend GTX400 series or higher. all GPU cards have to be 1gb in memory or higher. as for memory go for 8gb ddr3 or higher. with these specs you can expect to play most or all games smoothly with max settings. if you want to go on a budget do a custom built while shopping at tigerdirect or newegg. that's one way how you can get a cool computer on a budget. as for sound i recommend bose, but if you have a new sound card do a home theater set up using Klipsche or bose or any other good brands. i haven't owned one but i tried them at best buy all the time and sounds great.

for minimal and on a low budget than yes go for a dual core with at least 3-4 gb ddr2. a good graphics card that will last long during heavy usage. maybe the same ones i've mentioned above. other than that i still love those 2 speaker bose for like 90 USD. They sound pretty good for two speakers and for it's price.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 01:34
Quote: "So your friend sold it because it was too good? "

No, my friend sold it because it was completely pointless owning something which had no realistic advantage over a quad core.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 02:23
Quote: "No, my friend sold it because it was completely pointless owning something which had no realistic advantage over a quad core.
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To gaming, of course not. Hell, a duel core can be sufficient for gaming, however I'm looking at it from a viewpoint of someone who gets the most out of their money. I do a lot of special effect work for videos, and I also do a fair bit of modelling / map editing (for Source), so I need all the power I can get. Duel core tends to hang a bit when I'm trying to do 600 different things at once.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2011 04:43 Edited at: 16th Jul 2011 04:44
A dual (that's dual as in two, not duel as in fight) core processor with a higher clock rate than similar quad-core processors of the same family might be a better bet at the moment, but as said you shouldn't judge the speed of the processor purely on the clock rate. I'd recommend looking at benchmarks instead.



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