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old_School
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Posted: 17th Jul 2011 07:10 Edited at: 17th Jul 2011 07:12
Taking a break from my other project for a few days to clear my thoughts and decided to make a new web browser. I added a few nifty tools as well to it. Its still a bit bugy but functional. Here are some screenshots:












Gives me a few script errors though when visiting this page. Odd never did this on other sites owell. Anyway what you guys think? I wanna add a skin option to it sometime so u can import new skins for it and I need to touch up my art.
AJ Schaeffer
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Posted: 17th Jul 2011 07:27
Not bad man. Not bad.

crispex
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Posted: 17th Jul 2011 07:29
Visual Basic? God, I remember when I coded my first tabbed browser in it, I used to use it over other ones.

Nice job, might I suggest a few "better" graphics? (Not stretched or manipulated.)

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Blobby 101
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Posted: 17th Jul 2011 11:22
No offence, but this isn't a new web browser. You've just stuck some new chrome onto IE. I'll give you some advice - stop trying to reinvent the wheel constantly! We have enough good web browsers, yours can't bring anything new because you don't have any control over the HTML parsing, the rendering, anything.

Why not just try to make something interesting a new for a change? Make a game or something, because your not gonna get anywhere with stuff like this or the certification.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2011 11:45
Quote: "No offence, but this isn't a new web browser. You've just stuck some new chrome onto IE. I'll give you some advice - stop trying to reinvent the wheel constantly! We have enough good web browsers, yours can't bring anything new because you don't have any control over the HTML parsing, the rendering, anything."


Ah lay off him dude. Sometimes the best way to make a new wheel is to re-invent it so you can see how you could do it better. It's a learning experience, init.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2011 11:56
Quote: "Why not just try to make something interesting a new for a change? Make a game or something, because your not gonna get anywhere with stuff like this or the certification. "


making a game is as much inventing a wheel as making a browser is

and for the record, I am a man.

Blobby 101
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Posted: 17th Jul 2011 12:02
@Quik, Depends on the game

And OK, maybe I was a little harsh, but still, if you want to see what you can improve about a web browser, I'd have thought you'd try actually creating one from the ground up rather than sticking some new buttons on an existing one.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2011 12:08
Quote: "@Quik, Depends on the game "


goes for the browser thing aswell

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ShaunRW
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Posted: 17th Jul 2011 17:50
Quote: "And OK, maybe I was a little harsh, but still, if you want to see what you can improve about a web browser, I'd have thought you'd try actually creating one from the ground up rather than sticking some new buttons on an existing one."


When you want to improve a game, do you mod the existing game or start the whole thing from scratch? Why would a browser be different?

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Posted: 17th Jul 2011 18:09
Quote: "When you want to improve a game, do you mod the existing game or start the whole thing from scratch? Why would a browser be different?"


Putting a new skin on a form is not improving the browsing technology. The browser form in VB uses an IE technology browser window. Changing the color of the form it's in and putting buttons on it doesn't improve or change the browser at all. All it does is change the looks.

Many times it's in how you say something. "I made a new browser" was not the best choice of words.

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old_School
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Posted: 17th Jul 2011 23:50 Edited at: 18th Jul 2011 00:09
I used VB to make this from scratch. Sorry Im still learning VB but this is from scrath to me when you have to hand code it all. VB 8 has a "Web Browser" tool but I used a tabbed menu instead and built it off the tabbed menu instead of the pre designed webbrowser. I dont think with the predesigned tool from the toolbox, you can have tab control without extra modification. It would easier to do what I did, where you just build it from scratch.

As for rebuilding the wheel, lol yeah I rebuolt that old wheel lol I add som shiny rims and ton of crap to that sucker lol Even threw in some hydro's lol Ahh anyway, for me making this was a self discovery of how useful VB can be for software beyond just simple games. It showed me VB is very useful in the business side of software. Which I had seen it used in discussions but Id had never built any thing like this before using it. So it was a huge learning experiance for my self. I like it so much that I'm adding more features to the "wheel". So far I have added a DDOS tool(educational use only of course), alarm clock, private chat + server and tic tac toe for the bord molments surfing the web. I plan to add more games and stuff to it. I also still have to add instructions for every feature so right now I have 9 forums built. So that will be 9 things in instructions to discuss/tell the user how to use so far. But I want to add more so who knows. This will be a big web browser once finished.
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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 00:32
Quote: " I'll give you some advice - stop trying to reinvent the wheel constantly! "


Would you prefer to keep using IE or Netscape?

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 00:37
Quote: "This will be a big web browser once finished."


Time to be a bit of a dream crusher. I've seen many popular variations using different rendering engines, but I've yet to see any "big" browser using IE's framework. Learn how to integrate Webkit or Gecko into your browser. It's possible, if I'm not mistaken there are tutorials for putting in Gecko, which is what Firefox uses to render.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 00:41
What is going to set your browser apart from the others? Chrome pretty much added the last thing into a browser that I wanted, which was running each tab as a separate process.

Do you have a plugin framework? Your browser won't catch on unless you have some kind of plugin system.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 01:01
Quote: "Would you prefer to keep using IE or Netscape?"
No, I would prefer to keep using Chrome, and this browser is IE, unless he created an HTML parser himself then it's not a new browser.

old_School
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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 03:29
I think you mis-understood what I said when I said "going to be big". I did not mean its going to make mass millions or be popualar. I ment the project its self like mb wise. Well at this point its about 500 plus kb so far but I want to add more code to it to make it bigger and ad more functions to it.
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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 05:22 Edited at: 18th Jul 2011 05:23
Quote: "but I want to add more code to it to make it bigger "

Larger file size doesn't necessarily prove better, as I've shown to students in the past who thought they wrote better programs because it was twice the code.


Some feedback on your GUI, reduce the header size, too much wasted space.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 07:04
Did noone watch what IanM posted that was amazing. I love robotics stuff like that.
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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 08:36
I just saw it and it's amazing.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 08:40
Quote: "Did noone watch what IanM posted that was amazing. I love robotics stuff like that. "


I did, and yes it was amazing. Made me want to play with my lego mindstorm again.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 09:31 Edited at: 18th Jul 2011 09:33
Again Phaelix you have mis understood my post. I want a bigger size because that tells me aka my self I added alot more programs. Not worrying about amount code or how optimized it is, I just want to get as many tools as I can packed into the software at a decent file size that would be deemed acceptable and allow fast download. Basic best bang for your buck.

Not trying to be mean but I think sometimes some of you hunt for explots or something in peoples posts or just easly mis understand people. I see it alot in replys, some of you can be very jumpy on posts. Got to be a little more relaxed, its the net hard to express emotions on a text box.
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Quote: "that tells me aka my self"


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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 15:23 Edited at: 18th Jul 2011 15:24
AKA Old_School

Mate, say nay to the naysayers! You want to do a project then do it! It's good for your personal experience, you might create a design a certain number of people like. Heck, I remember doing one of these and found it performed a lot better than IE because it wasn't so full of junk. Hence I used to use it on my old computer, as I wanted something that was quick and didn't take 5 minutes to load. If you want to make your own browser with your own features and to make it a big project, more power to you. I mean how many people here have been attempting their own take on the FPSC genre? Or attempted to make their own attempt at making puzzle games? I see it as being no different. At least it's healthy as a coder - if it isn't successful it's a good learning experience.

I think people should be encouraging people to practice their coding skills and not only that but to experiment and push their creativity. Naturally as you're posting you'd receive constructive criticism on how to make improvements, for example, the graphics.


Also, here is what I did a few years back - basic, using the built in browser window, basic VB (and easy as pie), but I still had a bit of fun coding it - though obviously mine was a lot smaller scale. Linky

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 16:17
If you want to create a browser from scratch, you have to start with a big bang.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 18:41
@ Old_School:

If you want some pizzazz for your browser and games for kids start writing them in Darkbasic Pro instead of Visual Basic. This is after all a site for The Game Creator products and not Microsoft.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 18:49
wether or not he uses TGC products or anyuthing else is however irrelevant to if he can post it in geek culture

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 19:31
He's the one not understanding what people are saying.

Basically all he's doing is using IE's framework and adding a few custom features of his own. Plain and simple.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 19:45
Quote: "If you want some pizzazz for your browser..."

I seriously thought "That's not how you spell pizzas."

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 19:58
Quote: "Not worrying about amount code or how optimized it is, I just want to get as many tools as I can packed into the software"


Not worrying about optimization and your primary goal is only to shove as many things into it as possible is a poor start into software design. You're basically saying you want to make something very bloated and you don't care how well it actually runs.

If this is only for your own use then by all means do whatever you want. But if you're expecting anyone to adopt your browser over others (even IE itself), then I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 20:29
Quote: "He's the one not understanding what people are saying."
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i didnt say anything about that, i just got annoyed when people told him to use TGC products just because he is here, while i see why i also find it unnecessary: "USE TGC PRODUCTS! OR ELSE NOT POST HERE"

last time i checked i can use whatever the shoe program i want - as long as i post it in GEEK culture AKA offtopic AKA OFFTOPIC FROM TGC PRODUCTS


that's all...

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 21:35 Edited at: 18th Jul 2011 21:37
@ OBese87:

Hahaha... I spelled it wrong at first and the spellchecker kept thinking I wanted pizza (I usually do want pizza though).


@ Quik:

It's true that we can use whatever programs we want and I didn't say "use TGC products or else" I simply said if you want more pizzazz for his programs he should use Darkbasic Pro instead of Visual Basic. Or do you think kids would respond more to the bland VB stuff rather than the power that is behind Darkbasic Pro? If you don't know already all his other programs are education programs for kids.

But since you brought it up... isn't is logical if he wants to only use VB that he find a place where people that program only in VB so they can help him? Would it be a good idea for us to hang out in a VB forum and post only Darkbasic Pro programs/games we're working on? Would we get help or a proper critique of our work in Darkbasic Pro at a VB site? I'm sure if we tried the posters in the VB site would tell us to find a Darkbasic Pro site to hang out in.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 21:56
Quote: "It's true that we can use whatever programs we want and I didn't say "use TGC products or else" I simply said if you want more pizzazz for his programs he should use Darkbasic Pro instead of Visual Basic. Or do you think kids would respond more to the bland VB stuff rather than the power that is behind Darkbasic Pro? If you don't know already all his other programs are education programs for kids."


Sorry, but DB Pro is definitely not more extensive than Visual Basic. For something like a web browser, I would never recommend a language that is based for games.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 22:29
Quote: "Sorry, but DB Pro is definitely not more extensive than Visual Basic. For something like a web browser, I would never recommend a language that is based for games."


Ty, finaly someone who understand DB is not for software its for games. Im sure you could use it for software but I think the results might not be so great and Im sure it would be fairly hard to make software with it anyway. As I say this, Im sure someone will post a screenshot of a simple software program made with DB. However, Vb is kinda one of the most popualr and well known software design programs out there. So no offense to DB but I just dont see DB making a hit as a software design program. Its for games pretty much end of list for it.
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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 22:38
Don't get me wrong, I've seen quite a few really good utilities programmed, but as far as using it as a primary multi-use programming language...that's another story.

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IMO VB is not a lot of fun to use, least of all for a hobby project. PureBasic is pretty good for applications, I switched to that a while ago, although I still use VB, I tend to prefer PureBasic when the project doesn't involve a database. It's kinda like VB, but more procedural, more direct control over proceedings, and a much more straightforward graphics engine. Also it's multi-platform, which is always a bonus.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 23:11 Edited at: 18th Jul 2011 23:16
Darkbasic Pro is great for applications. The one I'm working on right now is a database program to track family information and food giveaway for non-profits. Darkbasic Pro makes databases more pretty... it does anything you want with style.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 00:29
Not that Im doughting anyone here but I am curious to see these software program projects that you used DB to make them. Anyone have screesnhots or examples? I'd like to see how they compare.
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Quote: "IMO VB is not a lot of fun to use, least of all for a hobby project. PureBasic is pretty good for applications, I switched to that a while ago, although I still use VB, I tend to prefer PureBasic when the project doesn't involve a database. It's kinda like VB, but more procedural, more direct control over proceedings, and a much more straightforward graphics engine. Also it's multi-platform, which is always a bonus.
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I like VB because I can slam out a project within minutes. However, .NET Framework is terrible, and the code is normally sloppy, because there is very limited ways to write "clean" VB.

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Quote: "Not that Im doughting anyone here but I am curious to see these software program projects that you used DB to make them. Anyone have screesnhots or examples? I'd like to see how they compare."


Quote of the year right there people!

Good luck with all your projects old_school.
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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 06:45
I think with the right approach, and a nice method, throw in some good graphics, and you could easily make a nice piece of non-game software. There are things like BlueGUI, BBBGUI, and others! With other plug-ins like Ian's Matrix1 you can index easily. Why couldn't you use DBP for this end? I mean, I wouldn't pull DB straight out of the box and try, but DBP's got some sweet 3rd party plug-ins. Is DB better that VB? I cannot answer that as I have never used VB. Can DP program non-game software? Definitely!
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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 08:24 Edited at: 19th Jul 2011 08:29
Quote: "Anyone have screesnhots or examples?"


Yes. My project has peoples information (a small portion of old data) so I blotted out their last names, address, and face so you can see. The only pizzazz right now is the animated mouse, the color scheme of every menu is customizeable, and the way I do the bitmap fonts for all the text (variable widths and the ability to change it to any color). The database itself uses IanMs DATAFILE commands which are vital for this program because of the amount of data it needs to save/edit quickly. It also uses DarkInk to be able to print standard forms that are needed for non-profits.

Main Menu:


Viewing/Editing a card:


Looking at that families visits:


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