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Non Sequitur M
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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 19:32
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I want to start a forum. So, far I have everything I need, except for a host. I've looked at a few. So far, the only thing I'm thinking about is GoDaddy. Is there any problem with this? They offer my chosen domain at $11.99/yr, which is a great offer. A little unbelievable actually. I've never started a website, and need some good advice on hosts. Are there any strings attached to hosting with GoDaddy, or are there better options out there?

Thanks in advance,
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bitJericho
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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 19:39
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no no no, don't use godaddy! They're the walmart of the online world.

If you want a company that won't hose you a year down the road, check out gandi:

http://www.gandi.net/sitemaker#main-nav

They're more expensive, but they don't suck, so it's a good tradeoff.

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Non Sequitur M
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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 19:53
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Okay, $15/yr's not bad at all. See, that's why I asked. I saw all the asterisks on GD and thought, "Hmm. This sounds like they're going to bend me over with a board later on." I guess there's a reason that there's a 'risk' in the word asterisk, haha. I'm going to wait for a few more suggestions before comparing and making a decision. Thanks for the input Jerico.
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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 20:09
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All I can give you is my personal experience, not what I've heard others say or post. What you need to think about is that no one is going to post how good something is if they don't have any issues.... only how bad it is if they do.

When I shut down my servers, I transferred everything over to GoDaddy. I did it slowly at first as I had to get used to their control panels. The thing that impressed me was that they responded quickly and provided immediate answers, plus they always provided links to more information and procedures. That was something I wasn't used to seeing with cheaper hosts.

As time progressed and I eventually transferred all of my accounts (about 32 now I think). I have both Linux an Windows servers, and I've found them to be reliable and responsive whenever I have a question. To me, that's better than any small savings. I had an email issue a while back and they were very responsive and quick to fix it. Prior to hosting on my own servers, I had been with a couple of different hosts, and I was not nearly as impressed with them as I am with GoDaddy. All-in-all it's been a very good experience.

That aside, you should decide how critical your site and needs are to you. You may want to go with a cheaper host if dependability and service is not an issue.

Brian.

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crispex
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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 22:29
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As said, it depends what you want. Windows servers will always cost more, but they offer more in terms of ASP support and MSSQL support, which is easier to program applications around. Then, of course, there is the more friendly Linux alternative, which most servers use. Linux is light, keeps things running smooth, etc.

I host on AccurateHub. I've used them for years, without any problems. They're located in Australia, so support is normally a few hours behind, but you shouldn't ever need to worry about it.

All I can say, is do NOT fall for these "unlimited space and bandwidth" plans. They normally limit you on what you can do, so I wouldn't ever recommend spending money on them.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 18th Jul 2011 23:56
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That's not my experience with godaddy. They are about as unclear as can be. They own the domain names you buy, not you (read Gandi's TOS to compare). They are cheap at first and then charge extra afterwards. You're lucky if you can order anything without being prompted for 50 addons.

Compare this to Gandi, that tells you straight up what you're getting, includes most addons as standard, and you get to own your own domain (according to the TOS).

If you're looking for a VPS, might I suggest prgmr.com, which is another no-nonsense host.

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Non Sequitur M
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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 00:19
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Well, here's the deal:

I feel what I'm starting this for is important, so I need to know that I can expand when necessary, support can keep me going, and server is reliable.

Also, xplosys, I'm from the metro area as well, northeast metro to be more exact. Me and you are just a few miles apart!

It's also funny that I've gotten responses from only Americans as my forum is going to deal with modern American values and governmental immorality. That's why I feel I need something good to host on.
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Quote: "They own the domain names you buy, not you"


I don't know about Gandi's TOS, but that's not in GoDaddy's TOS. I've done my research. You'll have to show me that one, but like I said, I'm not repeating stuff I've heard or read somewhere. I'm just giving you my experience. It's true with every registrant that if a complaint is make by the government, law enforcement or the court, they can hold your domain until the dispute is resolved. If it's decided that you loose, you loose. It's not up to the registrant. They must follow ICANN rules.

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bitJericho
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Quote: "You agree that your failure to comply completely with the terms and conditions of this Agreement and any Go Daddy rule or policy may be considered by Go Daddy to be a material breach of this Agreement and Go Daddy may provide you with notice of such breach either in writing or electronically (i.e. email). In the event you do not provide Go Daddy with material evidence that you have not breached your obligations to Go Daddy within ten (10) business days, Go Daddy may terminate its relationship with you and take any remedial action available to Go Daddy under the applicable laws. Such remedial action may be implemented without notice to you and may include, but is not limited to, cancelling the registration of any of your domain names and discontinuing any services provided by Go Daddy to you. No fees will be refunded to you should your Services be cancelled or terminated because of a breach."


http://www.godaddy.com/agreements/showdoc.aspx?pageid=REG_SA

Vs. gandi:

http://www.gandi.net/static/contracts/en/g1/pdf/general_conditions_2.1.pdf
Quote: "You expressly accept that We can suspend, modify, transfer or
delete the domain name, and/or suspend or cancel optional
additional services, in the following cases:
• in order to correct mistakes made by the Registry or by Us,
• if payment is rejected or cancelled (ex. rejected cheque or credit
card). We shall then be entitled to either delete, or to put a hold
on the unpaid domain name until the settlement of the
outstanding payment or until the domain name's Expiration,
• if We are made aware of a dispute related to the domain name
itself or its use, We shall block the domain name, until a ruling
has been made,
• in application of a ruling made by a Court, an arbitration panel,
or an administrative commission accredited by a Trustee
Authority, with regards to an alternative dispute resolution
procedure pertaining to Your domain name, and in accordance
with the rules applicable to the TLD in question and all current
applicable Laws and Regulations,
• in application of a legal or regulatory ruling or injunction from an
appropriate authority."


Pretty big difference.

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the_winch
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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 13:30
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Those TOS look pretty much the same. Appart from godaddy appear to have a more formal process for dealing with TOS violations. I'd say if anything the godaddy TOS is better because they give you 10 days to try and resolve the issue.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 15:48
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LOL. The wording is a little different, but they all follow the same registrant rules. You own the domain until you default on the rules/payment, or your ownership is challenged and you loose the case.

Also, you don't have to register your domain with GoDaddy to have them host it, which was the OP's concern. There are many other good hosting companies out there. Just keep asking questions and getting opinions until you're satisfied.

Brian.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 19th Jul 2011 17:28
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I guess. But I'm not a fan of this line:
Quote: "any Go Daddy rule or policy "


And they have abused that power in the past. But it's all good, choose whatever you guys think is best

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Posted: 31st Jul 2011 16:28
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my tip, buy your domain from a reputable domain registrar and then seek out hosting, if your needs werent to do with governmental debate I would have gladly given you a phpBB forum in the blink of 5000 eyes lol (well take me a few minutes to setup) but as it incurs silly US intervention I shall say, get your domain from aregistrar meaning you and you solely own it and then seek out hsoting, job done

Although I spend upwards of £250 a year on my hosting, I pay that price for the extensive reliability and 24/7 call centre service support that comes with it, and I do on occasion call them at 2 in the morning and get most cases resolved or escalated quickly.

but thats from my UK based host, so you should consider a local based host. works best for me in my honest opinion.

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