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noobnerd
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Posted: 20th Jul 2011 01:30 Edited at: 22nd Jul 2011 01:04
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i recently bought a new computer on a sale @599 euros. I thought it was amazing specs for such a low price ( admittedly my tech knowledge is limited to more memory and Hz is better ) the specs are:

Graphics : nvidia gt 420 2GB
CPU: amd X6 sixcore @ 2.6 GHz
RAM: 8GB
HD : 2x 500GB 7200 rpm
Brand: acer

What part is the worst in this setup? What should i upgrade first?

Thanks
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the graphics card is kinda slow.

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Quote: "What part is the worst in this setup?"


In my experience, The acer part. Can you still take it back?
It's probably fine. I've just had really bad luck (and worse support) with acer.

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what part of the computer is the slow part? gaming? because i have a similar configuration (but a more powerful graphics) infact i only have a quadcore and i am very happy with it

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Quote: "admittedly my tech knowledge is limited to more memory and Hz is better"


More Hz does NOT make your PC better. More RAM helps, but does NOT mean everything. It's like people who cram 8gb of RAM into their machines yet complain when things still run slow.

Honestly, your problem is the computer itself. Acer is notorious for selling what appears to be decent hardware at cheap prices, when more than half the time it's refurbished.

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noobnerd
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okay... So i should sell my computer cause its acer? Or buy a new gpu? the six core is kinda annoying with older games and dbp. With dbp i have a max cpu usage of about 16
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Melancholic
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Firstly, what will you be using the computer for? If you dont mind loosing half your storage space, you could put those 2 HDDs into a raid 0 configuration. This wont actually enable you to play games on higher setting, or do any process intensive task quicker. But it will make the system feel alot quicker and snappier.

The processor is great, i have the quad core version. Because yours is the six core version its the thuban core version. They really like to be overclocked, ive gotten mine to around 4.1ghz though settled on 3.8. Before you think about overclocking though make sure your motherboard can handle it(probably not as its a acer oem board) and you have sufficient cooling.

The graphics card can be overclocked aswell though i dont recomend it, its not really worth it with that card.


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Graphics : nvidia gt 420 2GB -pretty good
CPU: amd X6 sixcore @ 2.9 GHz -pretty good
RAM: 8GB -pretty good
HD : 2x 500GB 7200 rpm - pretty good
Brand: acer -trolled

From that its ethier a bad Motherboard, bad ram or bad psu. Im running a 1055gt 2.8X6 while you have a 1065t 2.9X6, an yours seems to need less power?

I cant really see it being bad, what do you mean be its not what you expected? Lagging?

Check your computer drivers ectect. Update everything. might help.


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well my old comp was kinda outdated.
Amd dualcore @ 2.9
4gb ram @ 600Hz
Ati 2900 HD @ 512mb
R.O.G motherboard ( dunno what it was but it was state of the art whn i boughg it)
Brand custom

So it was kindof a letdown when my new comp wasn that much faster. I had expected quite something:/

I will be using it mostly to gaming and i actually rather enjoy graphics of games so the faster the comp the better.
I have 0 experience on OC ing but i assume i would habe to uppgrade my cooling and mb aswell as the psu?

Melanvholic would you mind suggesting some software that could do the job for me? Or at least help me on the way... I can post more accurate specs on my mb/psu/cooling if needed all my drivers are uptodate
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You don't really need to overclock for gaming, you just need to upgrade that card.

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the graphics card?
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Yeah.

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I would hardly consider your PC "kinda outdated". Let me explain something. There is this common idiotic expectation that more cores and Hz will make your PC a speed machine, same goes for RAM. While these are the two biggest contributers, you must also look at the clock speeds of everything else, including your graphics card, your RAM clock-rate, HDD, etc.

Your old PC is still up to fairly modern standards, your new one isn't surprising you because you could have just updated your processor and you would have been fine. I have yet to even come close to using my whole 4gb's of RAM, and I do a lot of mapping, modelling, and programming on my PC (many times at the same time).

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I'm not sure why people invest in these miltiary-grade machines. While it's nice to future-proof, people get unrealistic expectations, and get upset when their massively overpowered machines don't run any better than their dual / quad cores. I just don't get it. The highest priced Alienware (absolute garbage by the way) runs you at $3500, and has up to 12gb of RAM. Why the hell would you ever need that much?

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Your PC's specs are above mine, and mine runs perfectly fine.

Quote: "I have yet to even come close to using my whole 4gb's of RAM"

Oh I have. I only 4gb and was annoyed when task manager was reporting almost 6gb was in use. I hit my 4gb limit quite frequently.

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Everyone uses their computers for different things, let's no dictate how much memory each of us need.

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Quote: "With dbp i have a max cpu usage of about 16"
Not really. You have 6 cores and DBP only runs on one core. And most of the time DBP will max out your CPU (unless things have changed a lot recently). 100% usage would be all 6 cores maxed out. So if one core is maxed out then 100/6=16.67%. Add anything else running on another core and you get a higher percentage. If I had 4 cores but overall a single core was faster (taking everything into account) than a single core on your computer, then my DBP program should run faster. Hell, I could have a single core but if it was devoted to running a DBP program and was twice as fast as one of your cores then DBP should run twice as fast on mine. I just won't expect to do anything else smoothly (ie. outside the running DBP program) whereas you should be able to do lots more.

We get it all the time on Unix systems at work. I remember years ago a 16 CPU system was freezing on some processes, but the client was like "But it's 95% idle!". Yeah, check each CPU load. 1 or 2 of them were 100% and really shouldn't have been.

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Quote: "12gb of RAM"


*whistles* I use 13gb *whistles*


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laz, youre such a showoff!
however, now you have become 20% cooler, how does it feeel?

and for the record, I am a man.

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OK here are my computers in depth specs. So if someone would be so kind as to point me in the right direction on components to replace and what maybe could be a good replacement?

CPU : AMD Phenom II X6 1035T @ 2.6 GHz ( i was wrong )
Motherboard : Unknown vendor ( ), Acer RS880M05
RAM : 2x4096 MB DDR3 1333 MHz RAM ( 8 GB )
HDD : Seagate 1 TB ( split in two? )
Graphics : Nvidia Gt 420 @ 2048 MB cant find clock rate?
OS : Win 7
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Posted: 21st Jul 2011 19:54 Edited at: 21st Jul 2011 19:57
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what are you talking about? There's nothing wrong with it. Reinstall a fresh copy of windows if it's slow. Computer manufactures love to load on crap. And get rid of your slow antivirus and get avast or nod32, which are both nice and snappy.

If you can tell us what is slow that might help.

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i have avast. its not exactly slow. i have never said it is SLOW just SLOWER than i want. so what i am asking for, is for someone to say what part is the least fast if you wana put it that way.
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Without know what it's slow at, it's pretty hard to tell. Each part has a specific function. What you do could be CPU or GPU intensive, or it could use a lot of ram. You need to throw us a bone here.

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hmm ok

i dont think i have ever used 8 GB of RAM
im not sure how to identify a GPU slowdown from a CPU one
i can run crysis 2 on lowest @ acceptable fps and on medium with barely acceptable. acceptable = 27

thats about it as i said im no tech expert
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That's all you had to tell us. You need to buy a more powerful graphics card.

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Am I missing something here? I was under the impression that the Nvidia Gt 420 was a good card, I'm still using a GTX 295 and I was able to run the crysis 2 demo on gamer ( which I think is meant to be high, or whatever the new setting names are ) with a solid 50fps.

I could easily be wrong but I heard that the 420 was pretty good, isn't it?


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If there's any logic to Nvidia's model numbers, your card is at the top of the 2 series. Whereas the 420 is at the bottom of the four series.

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i think 295 is way better than 420 ( not obvious )

ex.

texture fill rate : 420 - 5.6 295 - 92
the gtx 295 is over 4 times larger in size too
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I totally missed the GPU specs. I hate to break it to you, but the GT 420 is the weak link. What would be your budget for a new graphics card?
<£100 :: HD 5770
£100 - £150 :: GTX 460

I have a GTS 450 (it's the most powerful card in the low profile form factor needed for my HTPC) and it handles all modern titles in 1080p on mostly high or sometimes medium settings absolutely fine. So if you get a GTX 460 you'll be set for a long time to come.

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thanks! finally a straight ansver! ( no offence people )

yes that fits just fine with my budget.
i did some googling myself and found out that the gt 420 is quite poor. i just got fooled by the fancy 2 GB
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You may want to do a bit more Googling and look at some benchmarks first. A very good website for comparing the raw specs / performance of graphics cards is http://www.hwcompare.com.

Hope this helps

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thanks for fast reply certainly will!
EDIT the webpage seems to be down ...
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Yeah, it goes down every now and again - but it should be back up by tomorrow

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Quote: "thanks! finally a straight ansver! ( no offence people )
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The VERY FIRST person to respond to you in this thread said you needed a new graphics card. You were given a straight answer nearly every response to you, dude. We (well, they... I shouldn't really say 'we' as I never responded) can only give you as much information as you give us.

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yeah perhaps i litle over reacted. His ansver just was what i needed, the prob and a fix
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If you're a gamer, or graphics designer, then your GPU sucks *wink* I have the GTX 580 *wink*. If you do business things (office word, spreadsheet, presentations), or use your computer only for internet, videos, music, etc. then the GPU you have is more than sufficient.

I don't know that motherboard, but considering it's from acer, I'm going to say it sucks. And that's probably causing your bottleneck. Your RAM, CPU, and HDD have a lot of power, but if they can't communicate efficiently between each other, then they're just like any old computer...

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