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Geek Culture / Tetris rendition of the Soviet Union

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Neuro Fuzzy
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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 11:49
Well... I'm posting this mostly because I want to hear PAGAN talk about russian history xD

Anyways a friend showed me this video. I kinda expected it to be more comedy-oriented, but it's definitely awesome.



I have this stuck in my head.


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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 13:24
That was so awesome.



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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 14:30
That was actually quite entertaining.

I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.
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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 15:19
i am using my friends laptop and the sound here is screwed up so i cant hear anything lol but ill watch it when i get home in a few minutes.

btw i know i had a lot of rants here about russia, its not because i am obsessed but after 10 years of living in american suburbs where everything is nice and happy and kittens... After that russia which is one of the mosct screwed up countries in the world, just seemes really interesting. and most of the stuff i talk about is common knowledge anyway so to make myself seem less of a dumb uneducated idiot, i read russian news and study rusian history and opinions to bef up my knowledge about this strange country. and i end up posting it here just because lol. i guess i didnt make a lot of friends here.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 15:43
Once it got into it, it blew my mind.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 17:14
Darn you Neuro for fooling me! I just blew on my laptop screen trying to get your avatar off it.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 17:20
I had to watch it twice cause there's a lot to it. It's a very entertaining history lesson.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 17:32
I love the rhythm, I dunno why.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 18:53
HAHAHA the song was hilarios, yeah everything is pretty muchthe truth. lol

Stalin alrady gave up the whole world revolution focusing on the ussr instead, When he died there was a brief fight for power, a bunch of stalin regime supporters were stripped pf their rank or arrested they and after that, russia slowly started turning towards capitalism little by little. 60s was the start of the degradation of the union. bu the 70s they assumed since they are now at the top of the world, everyone pretty much got lazy, the system allowed anyone to skip work to take fake sick leaves any time they wanted, the system strted degrading and before they knew it ussr was already riding the capitalism train and government didnt care and was too lazy when thngs got out of control noone too responsibility for sloppy resourse managment. and people eventually had to live trough the result of their own "meh, i dont care" attitude which spawned tons of problems all over the union. Its all because system got too leniant and noone was held reponsible for anything. Well i guess capitalism was inevitable either way. isolationism was getting harder to deal with when they got too big and had no more room to expand. also growing corruption everywhere caused economy problems, people now felt that they can do all kinds of stuff that would undermine the system and government didnt care. One of the main factors is people wanted western luxuries, the black market of smuggled goods from the west got too big to control and soviets spent too much of the budget on military and supporting socialist revolutions in africa. so soviet consumer products while being very rugged with a very long work expectancy were at the same time cheap and crappy and not as fancy as the western stuff (i still have 2 working fridges from the 50s/ 60s, 2 working color tvs from the 70s, 3 radios from the 70s which still work like new, and stuff like coffe makers, coffe bean grinders, and a ton of electric kitchen stuff that still works. and recentley they restarted manufacture of one of the LADAs because it was cheap and there is a lot of demand for that car. People used to joke about this saying, we can build rockets, nukes and space stations but we cant build a normal car lol. The government little by little allowed western products to be sold in russia. by the late 80s the restrictions were lifted goods were shipped to ussr b y any means possible, soviet consumer industry went bankrupt. Russia did try to make a non cheap western quality cars like volga 3111 it was as good as a mercades or bmw of the time, but they lost more money on it than making sheap stuff so they dropped the project after selling 300 cars went back to making cheaper cars that people bought. Also the afganistan war did its job as well, it was the soviet vietnam type disaster. The afghan govt after getting its independence from the british empire decided to go socialist after they liked what they saw in the neighboring kyzigstan where over 20 years, the contry turned from some wild land of mountain people, to a modern republic with roads univercuties, industry etc. But there was a resistance movement that threatened the socialist regime in afganistan obviosly, the resistance was financed by americans. Fearing a government overturn, afgan socialist asked for soviet military support, but by the time soviets got there, mujahadeen, toppled the government so everyone ended up blaming the soviets and they were pretty much stuck in afganistan not knowing what to do really. They ended up fighing the mujahadeen/taliban or whatever over 10 years after 10 years, they finally said, - you know, do whatever you want we dont care any more we are out of here. so the war also contributed to the union destabalisation. and it was getting way too hard to support a war in afganistan, and having their armies spread all over the world as advisors and tactical support mostly in africa and se asia. not to mention union supplied anyone with weapons/tanks for free if they claimed to be fighing a socialist revolution. and its hard to support half of the world when at home people stopped caring about everything. So yeah the bubble burst and new dudes took over in 1991 and that was the end of it. Russia was technically called a russian soviet federal socialist republic untill 1993.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 18:59
Let's be honest...capitalism's about as stable as a society can get...sadly.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 19:09
Thanks PAGAN for the info, so it was pretty close historically and hysterically. Ya know, some people put little breaks in their text. Not sure why though.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 19:10
at our time, you cant hide from capitalism unfortunatley. every nation exept north korea by now, accepted at least some basic ways of capitalism. Its now even wrong to call China communist or socialist. In a country where you can sell your babies to get money for online games.... thats just has capitalism written all over it.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2011 19:16 Edited at: 24th Jul 2011 19:16
It's a discussion for another thread and another time, but if you're thinking about selling your baby... you probably should.

It's a very Libertarian idea.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2011 02:03
Quote: "Let's be honest...capitalism's about as stable as a society can get...sadly"


Unfortunately it's not the best way, but that's with any government.

Socialism itself isn't a bad idea...in theory. However nothing is ever equal, so you're right, capitalism is going to be the best we get. 1% of the population controls 99% of the wealth.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2011 02:26
Capitalism works because it kinda limits how much bad can be done by bad people... Socailism (And indeed capitalism) are nice ideas, but they rely on everyone being honest and good... sadly unlikely to happen But I don't blame people for trying. Maybe one day we can live in a world like that, until then we have to make the best of what we have

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Posted: 25th Jul 2011 02:33
Let's be honest, in a socialist state, their still needs to be a central authority that controls everything. In the sterile, happyworld concept, this central authority is true-hearted.

Here in the real world, it corrupts fast than dipping a USB stick in acid.

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Quote: "Let's be honest, in a socialist state, their still needs to be a central authority that controls everything. In the sterile, happyworld concept, this central authority is true-hearted."

Well quite, but in perfect happyworld, every single type of governmental system works, even dictatorship, because that one dictator is guarranteed to be working for the good of the people. The question we have to ask is this: Is a good dictatorship worse than a poor democracy, simply on principle? Have people like Hitler and Stalin simply given dictators a bad name?

Anyway, I'm stopping her cuz I'm aware I'm kidna toeing the line That's my two pence.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2011 04:21
capitalism vs socialism... i could go all out on this but ill restrain myself

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Posted: 25th Jul 2011 08:25
my experience with capitalists try to deal with teenagers not having any jobs:
I KNOW lets cut away 2/3rd of their payment.. yeah... that will work, that will get them motivated.

what i will vote for in 4 years? well it sure as shoe isnt capitalists.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2011 23:13 Edited at: 25th Jul 2011 23:14
They pay teens low because the turnover rate is high, however the turnover rate is high because they don't pay enough. Corporate greed. They realize people will always need jobs, and crappy jobs are ALWAYS in abundance.

A quote from one of the best movies ever, Lord of War:

Quote: "The problem with an honest buck, is they're so hard to make. The margins are too low. Too many people are doing it."


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Posted: 26th Jul 2011 00:29 Edited at: 26th Jul 2011 00:31
Quote: "They pay teens low because the turnover rate is high, however the turnover rate is high because they don't pay enough. Corporate greed. They realize people will always need jobs, and crappy jobs are ALWAYS in abundance."


yeeah but dropping it from 4,5k $ (not official number, i just drew up the google currency translate) to 1,6k$ is NOT okay, and definitly wont get teenagers more motivated...

edit: also i may add that in sweden, the problem is that we do not have enough jobs for everyone, hence why no teenagers has jobs and they honestly think reducing pays is going to fix it

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Posted: 26th Jul 2011 00:55
Same here. Except in Britain the elders have a fear-based hatred of my generation due to the fact many of us are jobless and directionless.

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There's the most common misconception, "There are no jobs." That is far from the truth. Teens want to do jobs that are easy and pay a lot, who wouldn't want that? McDonald's, Wal-Mart, etc. are ALWAYS looking for people, but since it's tedious work with very little pay, teens don't want to do them. There is this unrealistic expectation all teens have, and it's that you can go out at any time, get a job, and get paid $15 an hour.

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Quote: ""There are no jobs." That is far from the truth. Teens want to do jobs that are easy and pay a lot, who wouldn't want that? McDonald's, Wal-Mart, etc. are ALWAYS looking for people, but since it's tedious work with very little pay, teens don't want to do them. There is this unrealistic expectation all teens have, and it's that you can go out at any time, get a job, and get paid $15 an hour."


i why everyone i know is having trouble getting ANY kind of job then

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@Crispex

No...there just isn't any jobs here.

Sure Tesco, (big supermarket chain here), was hiring, I and one hundred-odd other people turned up. They got so many people that if you didn't answer the 40 question multiple choice paper perfectly, you were denied there and then.

That's what it's like. For one, measly, checkout clerk job. And guess who, out of the inexperienced but eager teen, and the older, more experienced candidate, would get hired?

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Quote: "Except in Britain the elders have a fear-based hatred of my generation due to the fact many of us are jobless and directionless."


And.... have a thing for ponies.

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Well, I can't speak for other countries, really, so I'm not sure, but normally when I hear, "There's no jobs!" it's from some teenager who uses that excuse to not do anything.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2011 03:20
i have never heard that as an excuse =/

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Posted: 26th Jul 2011 04:44
I honestly cannot say why we're on the subject of jobs right now, but I suppose it's almost as entertaining as the OP video.

Speaking for myself, when I say "I can't find a job" what I really mean is "I can't find a job that pays what I deem the asbolute minimum for my expertise"/"I can't find a job that people wouldn't look down on me for"/"I can't find a job that wouldn't degrade my pride as a human being"


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Posted: 26th Jul 2011 06:21 Edited at: 26th Jul 2011 06:24
So, basically you don't like jobs that you think you're better than.

A job is a job. That's why kids don't want to work, because they think working a minimum paying job is too low for them.

I could, of course, see if you are an experienced individual, that has something worth mentioning, but if you're a teen and expect to become a network manager, well, think realistically. We all start on crappy jobs.

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I started on my crappy jobs, but wouldn't dream of sinking back into them after having already made my way into my chosen career.

Yeah, if it's a teenager still in school, they don't have any room to complain about what jobs they face. Heck, when I was in school, I worked at an amusement park... and dealing with irate parents isn't exactly one of my strong suits.


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Thats not the problem we have though when we finish school, if we are to get any job, even the crappiest we need a high end education, and a lot of luck.

I mean something is wrong when "employment Services" /not sure if thats the correct translation\ can help you get a job.

I know a friend of mine, about 20-25 years old, not entirely sure. She have been looking for a job for ages, litterarily ages. And she just got a job, lucky shoe x) My dad has to work in Stockholm (80 swedish miles away, which is 800 kilometres) because there simply is no painting jobs here (he paints buildings etc)

my mom cant get a job, since nobody wants someone with a broken neck (she can do certain jobs and work halftime, but nobody wants that)

and literarily no teenagers can get a job, since we are so inexperienced in any field: summer jobs are fine, but after school when we want a full time job then we're out of luck

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Posted: 26th Jul 2011 18:00
Quote: "Well, I can't speak for other countries, really, so I'm not sure, but normally when I hear, "There's no jobs!" it's from some teenager who uses that excuse to not do anything."


Ha,haha... ha.

No.

A 'chain' bakery opened up about 2 miles from mine. I applied and to my dread over 1000 other teenagers had applied too. Of course i never got the job, just like the other 200 places i applied for with my friends in a hell of a distance down the railway, way.

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I'm not trying to make any assumption or statement so don't get me wrong. Just a simple question. What are you doing to stand out above the other 999 applicants?

Brian.

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Quote: "I'm not trying to make any assumption or statement so don't get me wrong. Just a simple question. What are you doing to stand out above the other 999 applicants?
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This. Honestly, the best job to start out with is fast food. It's a crappy job, but it shows your next employer that you've worked in probably one of the toughest areas of jobs. Trust me, fast food is difficult. You've gotta be quick, accurate, and you don't get much pay for the amount of work you do. Then you move on to retail. Retail is easier, and you get paid a bit more. After that, factory work / warehouse work. It's rough, but it pays the best for unskilled / semiskilled labor. Then you get into your skilled jobs, like desk jobs. Those are the jobs you want.

It's about experience.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2011 22:03 Edited at: 26th Jul 2011 22:04
You need five GCSEs at C+ to get into McDonalds. You don't know about the situation here Crispex, no offense.

When I say there are no jobs in my area, there are next-to-none. As in one-hundred people apply for a checkout assistant at a supermarket chain. I live in the most unemployed area of Britian, Norfolk. Everything is seasonal and as soon as the tourists leave for the Autumn, there's nothing else there.

My saturday job at an electrical retailers had me interviewed along with around twenty other people. I dunno how many CVs they recieved. I only got in because despite my lack of confidence, I knew a damn-sight more about technology than the chavs and webfeet I was up against. Any other situation for any other menial job, and they'd have taken someone else.

How can you stand out amongst 100 other people if you have no experience? Tell me that Crispex, because using your divine employment knowledge, I might actually be able to carve myself a bloody future in this desperate hell-hole of a country.

/Edit/

Also forgot to mention. Due to health and safety laws here, a person must be at least eighteen to operate a frier, to save the company being sued if they burn themselves. How I failed to get a job at KFC.

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let me put it this way: my friend just moved away after a year of searching for work: he havent gotten any, not at all, not even with the help from the work something whatevs thingies, so now he is moving away to get his second education, since he cant find a job

and this:
Quote: "How can you stand out amongst 100 other people if you have no experience? Tell me that Crispex, because using your divine employment knowledge, I might actually be able to carve myself a bloody future in this desperate hell-hole of a country."

is true
heck people walk around here in sweden for 5 years after high school graduations without being able to find a job

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Trying a little harder to make this not so personal.

If I had absolutely no experience and every business out there wanted experience, thus I was doomed not to have a job... well, I suppose the real problem here is the lack of experience that's killing your chances. So, what else do companies want other than experience? Money. They want money. I think in order to gain experience, I would offer the company money by telling them I would work for free. Thus, I can gain experience, make my way into the job, and later start getting paid.

What do you have to lose? Your money? You can't find a job anyway, so what's the difference? Your time? You're gaining experience! After you've had experience and can DO the job, then you can request payment (a "raise") from your employer, and can walk more confidently into any interviews to come knowing you can do it.

Um, yeah, that'd be what I would do if absolutely all else fails.


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Posted: 26th Jul 2011 23:58
but then iam fairly sure NOBODY would want to work for free, especially considering I dont even want to work for 1,5k$ /month pre taxes, since thats what the goverment wants.

Also, there are NO jobs available, so for me to work for free they'd have to MAKE room, ie kicking an employee that has the experience, so iam not so keen if that will work no

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Posted: 27th Jul 2011 00:11 Edited at: 27th Jul 2011 00:13
NO jobs... hmmm... that is severe indeed... have you considered starting a company to open up more jobs?

Quote: "especially considering I dont even want to work for 1,5k$ /month pre taxes, since thats what the goverment wants."


Is this better than $0/month?


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Quote: "NO jobs... hmmm... that is severe indeed... have you considered starting a company to open up more jobs?
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yeah thats about the only thing to do, only that starting a company isnt the easiest thing to do, however thats what my dad did.

also I personally will probably be on lookout for the first best job i can find after i go to a 3d school, and most likely do freelance in spare time/start up an indie company for fun, since that might lead somewhere

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@Plystire

I did actually try this. We call it "Work Experience" here. I was studying to be an Electrician, and required an Apprenticeship to continue. However an apprenticeship would have to pay me, attach me to a trained electrician which would slow him down, and cost the company a fair bit.

In the end of ~20 companies I basically visited weekly for three months, only one expressed a wish to hire me. I was the only person to walk in the door, (I hand deliver as opposed to mailing, I think it gives the better impression), however their head office couldn't secure the funding.

The other curveball is my mother loses half her benefits one I enter full-time work, no matter my pay grade. So I need a decent pay grade to subsidise her losses. We simply can't survive without that money, her back was broken in an accident, so she can't subsidise it either.

In all honesty, I know your heart's in the right place, but I've already had all this advice from about fifty people I've met in real life.

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Quote: "first best job i can find after i go to a 3d school, and most likely do freelance in spare time/start up an indie company for fun"


Take what you can get. Good luck


Quote: "I've already had all this advice from about fifty people I've met in real life."


Then you'll know what I would say next. Good luck anyway!


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Quote: "Then you'll know what I would say next. Good luck anyway!"


*Here's a free job and all my moneys CG.*

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Posted: 28th Jul 2011 00:33
Quote: "How can you stand out amongst 100 other people if you have no experience? Tell me that Crispex, because using your divine employment knowledge, I might actually be able to carve myself a bloody future in this desperate hell-hole of a country."


Here's an idea: You have legs. You can walk. My first job was 3 miles away from my house, far out of town. I had no ride there, I walked that highway every day. I was paid under the table, but was only paid around $3 an hour. It was a cleaning job at a bakery.

You've got to make calls to get what you want. An employer sees it as, "Man, this kid REALLY wants to work, if he's that dedicated and calling every 5 days, he MUST want a job." Seriously, sounds like pure BS, but as an employer, my father tells me he looks for people who show more initiative than others.

You can't solve anything by sitting around moping saying, "There are NO jobs!" It's called get out, pound the pavement, and get a job. Here's why most people don't have jobs: Lack of motivation and a high ego.

Trust me, I used to say, "There are no jobs! Everyone is in line for them!" Funny, because I'm talking with my friend James who lives in Britain, he works at a juice bar. He got hired among 100+ other applicants. You need to stand out. If you don't have experience, you need to stand out with likability.

Likability means: Clean yourself up. Long hair, torn clothes, etc. only make you look like an idiot. Shave, get a haircut. Don't be rude, or have an arrogant tone. Be laid back. Employers ALWAYS ask, "What makes you the right choice for the job?" And you better give one damn good answer, because they're looking for people who are honest and can bring something to the table.

Here is what I honestly told my interviewer, "I've got to start somewhere. I'd like that place to be here. There are limited jobs, and I want one of those limited jobs. Sure, there are people with more experience, but how can I get experience if I have no job?"

I got a call 2 days later. It's about motivation. Employers look for upbeat people who are willing to work. Just because it doesn't pay good does NOT mean to do a crappier job. If you give it your best, promotions and better jobs will come your way. Also, make sure you're filling out the application with references who will actually give a good review. I had a few family friends, and when I asked them, "Did you get a call from anyone?" They said the employer called them and asked about me. Your neighbors and friends know more about you than you think, and they're not afraid to say it.

And Ply is absolutely right. Work for free. I worked for my father for years without pay, yet he was willing to vouch for me as an employer reference. I had to work my ass off to get him to do it for me.

I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.
CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 28th Jul 2011 00:45
I already said I can't afford to work for free, not only do I not gain any money, but my family actually [iloses[/i] money when I do.

I walk to Yarmouth every week, now a bit more often, twice or three times a week since college ended. I have a list of ~20 companies I pretty much harassed. One said they wanted me. Then the head office said they couldn't fund it. That's kinda how my career as an Electrician ended in it's infancy.

No offense but I don't slouch about moaning about jobs. My friends do, and I don't respect it. They all have long hair whereas I get mine cut monthly, I dress okay, jeans and a decent tee. I go to interviews in a suit that cost me a fair load, I have excellent grades, am always polite, and yet, some other guy always gets hired.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2011 00:47
Quote: "Long hair, torn clothes, etc. only make you look like an idiot."


yeah okay lets go with that.

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 28th Jul 2011 00:48
In your case it's unfortunate the circumstances, however in a lot of people I always see the same excuses. Again, my post is geared to people as a whole. You know your circumstances, that's fine, but to those who constantly make excuses, I have no sympathy for your lack of work.

Sad to hear about your situation though.

I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.

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