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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 9th Aug 2011 22:51
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How stupid can you get?


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heh


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My God, best part is he'll get away with it and make a fair few quid.

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Would it be wrong of me to purchase one, get their address, and shoot them?


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If you can land a shot from where you are in Yankenland, I believe many medals will be awarded.

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What do you think LACMs (Low Altitude Cruise Missiles) are for?

Buuuuut, if that doesn't work, I do still have my passport and am fully capable of tying a rope around his neck.


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Please for the sake of the country that established yours, do it.

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Well things have gone quiet for now. No major news except the classic vandalism and the like.

My plan for today: 1. Wake up. 2. Live 3. Go to sleep.

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All I can hear are police sirens, at least 2 every 5 minutes. I live 15 minutes from Tottenham.


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Are you within sniping range? I have contacts and a Barrett .50 Cal...nobody would report you.

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I could really do with a new laptop; PC World is just down the road. I'll pass by Next to get a pair of shoes. I don't think I will need a weapon, the police will let through without any action. I'll be right back...


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Posted: 10th Aug 2011 03:36
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Sounds like stuff could be starting up in Derby, I've got friends helping with the updates on the Derby FB group. From what I've been reading there was a fire outside of Quad (a building in the city centre) but it was sorted out pretty quick. As for other news, sounds mostly like car vandalism at the moment. I suppose we'll know the facts when they're reported - I'm going on people have witnessed and their word for it.

Grr...bloody chavs and jumping on the band wagon.

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Oh boy! I was always pro-demonstration. Like in syria or lybia...where people are going on the street fighting for freedom. But when I just see people who live in a safe country damaging their own infrastructur for no real reason.

But okay, lets just pretend the UK would be a totalitary regime led by a bloodthursty dictator(that shoots black people( yes! I say black people...and no black guy I ever met had a problem with it...so deal with it! ))...just for the sake of argument.
Now these folks would have a reason to fight. However, they would be totally unable to act as some sort of guerrilla group as they are
A) too stupid to actually make out the thread/enemy in their country B) a bunch of intellectually underdeveloped kids that just start running around destroying other people's propriety. (judging from some burning middleclass cars I saw...I'm certain the owner is not going to afford a new one soon if the assurance doesn't help him out) C) they usually direct most anger towards the police... this is what always gets me...they attack the police. Sure! We are all mad at these fellas here and there...when they give us a ticket when we where driving 55 instead of 50 kilometers per hour or something else. But lets face it! Every civilized country would drown in crime and terror without the police. It is their job to protect us, sure! A lot of them might be corrupt in certain locations, violent in others...but just imagine the police vanishing globally for just 2 days...

And yet these people usually attack policemen/cars/stations. Why? Because they dont let them drink themselves in a coma/lie down/piss or paint genitals on the walls in the streets?
Or is the police the highest authority their limited mind can identify?
D) Robbing and stealing... yeah! awful ...suddenly people go shoplifting. Well...here I can't really blame some poor fellas that see their change to make a few bugs by stealing plasma televisons. And hey! I dont think these guys are that bad...but then again all this breaking and entering in private, middleclass homes? No way! You are not going to reach anyone through that...but these people dont want that anyway
E) Something bad happens! (often in LA when they are arresting someone that is not seen guilty by the public or similar) lets not get the people that are responsible for it...lets just beat up random folks and tear our neighbourhood appart...that will solve everything

I hope you can make sence of my rambling ...events like these are really blowing my whistle!



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The riots in London remind me of the riots in LA (Los Angeles, CA) after the Rodney King beating by cops. When I watched the news the newscaster would keep saying things like "These African Americans are rioting because of the Rodney King beating..." but I'd see white women looting stores right along with the black people. Most of them are just doing it because they think they can get away with it.

@ CoffeeGrunt:

I find it interesting that you referred to them as Afro-British. You guys had to go through the annoying "have to be politically correct" stage as well?

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Quote: "Or is the police the highest authority their limited mind can identify?"


Usually, they're just the most easily accessible form of authority to take their rage out on... and normally the police are the ones on scene when legit groups are protesting.


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Quote: "You guys had to go through the annoying "have to be politically correct" stage as well?"


We're still going through it in western Europe.



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Posted: 10th Aug 2011 09:42 Edited at: 10th Aug 2011 09:44
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Quote: "I find it interesting that you referred to them as Afro-British."


I must admit, I've never heard that before. I've always heard "the black community" or just "black" used by the media. Afro-British is a pathetic term, which means nothing that makes any sense. It implies that I am Afro-British if I originated from south Africa, so there I can be completely white yet an Afro-Brit. Stop pussy footing about the issue and just say what you see. Black man (not Afro-British), white woman (not native caucasian!), big fat kid (not slightly overweight child), short bloke (not vertically challenged), deaf dude (not hearing impaired).

And while we're on the subject "black community"? What a great way to enforce separation. Make out their have their own community. Keep reminding them they have their own community and whites have their own and muslims have their own. What a great way to encourage integration and community across colours. You have your community and I have mine, and I shall tolerate yours but accept I'll never be a part of it. The media and politicians have no idea.

Hmm ... I think I sniff the AUP the more in depth I go. I shall stop there.

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Quote: "Sounds like stuff could be starting up in Derby, I've got friends helping with the updates on the Derby FB group. From what I've been reading there was a fire outside of Quad (a building in the city centre) but it was sorted out pretty quick. As for other news, sounds mostly like car vandalism at the moment. I suppose we'll know the facts when they're reported - I'm going on people have witnessed and their word for it."

I heard they were breaking into the Westfield centre and putting stuff into the shops...

Caused around £150K of improvements

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Quote: "I find it interesting that you referred to them as Afro-British."


Its not politically correct, hes acting coy. He doesn't want to come off racist and he doesn't want to be politically correct. So Afro-British is a middle ground for a mocking undertone of correctness ;3


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Quote: "Its not politically correct, hes acting coy. He doesn't want to come off racist and he doesn't want to be politically correct. So Afro-British is a middle ground for a mocking undertone of correctness ;3"

Before the flaming commences, it's actually a widely used politically correct and none racist name for the British African origin community.

For example:
http://www.afrobritish.org.uk/

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I still hate that term. If I was black, I wouldn't want to be labelled by where my ancestors came from. Otherwise they might as well call me an Originally Ethopian to Europe Migrant Impregnated by Scandinavian Mungreloid.

Seriously, I'd rather people looked at me and visually recognised I had black skin and told me I was black, rather than making assumptions about where my nan came from. One of my parents might be from the UK originally, so by calling me Afro-British, you are implying the African portion of heritage is more important, since the 'British' word is only used to specify citizenship and not heritage.

I know I am reading WAY to much into this , but it's just that in an attempt to be politically correct, often these political correct terms are just stupid and racist in themselves!

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Quote: "If I was black"

I'm not either but I'm still proud of my heritage as are a lot of people.

Ask an 'Afro-British' person if they mind that term. Perhaps they feel there is more to their heritage than the colour of their skin?

I was hoping to close down the racism conversation before it ruined the thread by showing that 'Afro-British' people seem to recognise the term as not racist. Can we leave it at that?

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Quote: "'Afro-British' people seem to recognise the term as not racist"


I agree, it's not racist. Racism is all in the delivery and inference of the person saying it.

My personal view is just that the term is meaningless. It's no better than calling me a European-Brit since I have a Spanish grandparent, or all white Americans European-Americas. If that sounds pedantic and pointless, then that is exactly my point.

Just drop the labels, imo. Having labels is the problem. I can't think of any valid statements where we need to group all black people into one label. The only given similarity between two people of the same colour is their colour.

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Quote: "I'm still proud of my heritage as are a lot of people."


I'm a decendent of soldiers, mercs, hunters and gypsies...and I'm proud of it!

This doesn't fit in here at all, but I don't care.

Quote: "Usually, they're just the most easily accessible form of authority to take their rage out on... and normally the police are the ones on scene when legit groups are protesting.
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Thats true! And the police is usually not allowed to use any form of counterviolence. I would love to see them going up against the army...I bet that would be great entertainment



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I don't think we should be self conscious about what we're saying, rather if you don't harbour ignorant or racist, then you're not going to be ignorant or racist. You might accidentally offend, but that's life, you apologise and explain yourself.

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I never liked that politically correct junk either. If a person is born in America or Europe he/she should be just called American or European rather than add any African/Afro. The only true African/Afros should be born there and become citizens of their country of choice. It's as Fallout said a way to separate the community and does nothing to help stop discrimination... especially when they single themselves out by insisting on adding African/Afro.

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I hate those names like Afro-American/British too, there's nothing African about black British people. The name seems more racist than PC to me, Afro-"British" implies that they aren't really British and never can be considered totally British because they are black, and they should be sent back to Africa.
How far back do we go with this description? Aren't we all Africans in the end?

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Quote: "How far back do we go with this description? Aren't we all Africans in the end?"


Good question. I guess since Africa is the "Mother Country" all civilization initiated there so my ancestors are from Africa too. Is that the criteria, that our ancestors came from there. I know in recent history my family came down from Canada, so I'm also Canadian America. Before that they migrated from Europe, probably England, so I'm also European American. Do I get to choose which one I like, or the one that provides the most benefit in any given situation?

It definitely devisive and nonsense.

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Read this quote somewhere, can't remember who wrote it, but I thought it rather appropriate following all the comments about P.C;

"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

I'll leave it at that, before I too, end up breaking the AUP lol

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I actually said afro-british in politically-correct irony, but nevermind.

One thing that I thought was beautiful was the clean up. A hundred looters trash the street, and a hundred more good people club together to clean it up. It's horrible that they even are in that situation, but seeing people working together to better their community only means this has made them closer. And for once, I'm proud of this country.

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Yeah, the whole thing makes you both ashamed and proud to be British at the same time, if that's even possible?!!

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As if it was hard to be proud of your country before this happened...

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I don't count the rioters as British, because they don't count themselves as British. They want to be enemies with the community? Fine, jail 'em. They've already arrested a thousand, I'm pretty sure the country can only get better with another thousand sharing a cell with a friendly, hairy guy called Butch.

It's almost like a criminal-check. A guy got arrested in my area for posting a call for all the local gangs here to do similar on Facebook. Cops swooped on him damn quick, they're not taking chances here, I've seen riot vans out which is rare for this area.

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Quote: "One thing that I thought was beautiful was the clean up. A hundred looters trash the street, and a hundred more good people club together to clean it up. It's horrible that they even are in that situation, but seeing people working together to better their community only means this has made them closer. And for once, I'm proud of this country."

I would be slightly more proud if for every looter there were a hundred people willing to clean up... but it does give me some hope!

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It's raining, so the scum have taken shelter in what every homes they have left, after burning and destroying every thing in sight. If the rain stops, you can bet they will be back out again. Therefore they should have the fire engines soak them all when they do decide to show up.

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Friends from Manchester joined in the clean up and it's nice to see people giving a crap about their community.

But suppose it's good to see chavs are scared of the rain, just supporting the idea that chavs were born of the wicked witch from The Wizard of Oz.

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It shows you how pathetic they are. They're up for stealing, but so long as they don't get damp doing it.

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Oh wow, they were really stopped by the rain? Feels like War of the Worlds.

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You can't riot in the rain old boy! That's just not cricket! Who's for tea?

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John Stewart was talking about them a few days ago.

This is just a clip but the whole thing is on Hulu:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/266926/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-shtzkrieg-anarchy-in-the-uk#s-p2-sr-i1

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I am glad that there are people cleaning up the mess that these jackasses made. I truly believe that their army should have been called in. There has to be a precedent set that this kind of stuff won't stand at all, especially by the people who care about where they live. There is also some stupid logic that stealing from a store is somehow not as bad as stealing from a home.

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I don't understand why some think it is a good idea to bring the army in to resolve a riot. It will start out all nice, but when the army start getting heavy handed in dealing with the rioters then there is likely to be a back lash against them. Believe it or not this is what happened to them in Northern Ireland. The Army who I have allot of respect for, do not have the same level training and accountably as the police do. The same could be said about rubber bullets. If you escalate the problem the rioters will escalate with it.

I think police were right in handling it their way, but this is only my opinion on the matter.

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Am I the only one who feels bad for the rioters? I don't know how well I would enjoy living in a police state where I'm constantly surveilled, randomly searched, and living in a place with no jobs anywhere to be found.


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Quote: "Am I the only one who feels bad for the rioters? I don't know how well I would enjoy living in a police state where I'm constantly surveilled, randomly searched, and living in a place with no jobs anywhere to be found."

Yes. At least I hope you are, there are plenty of jobs out there. People are too picky these days!

But it doesn't help that you get more money living off the state than you get for most of the available jobs. What these people don't realise or care about is that's just a starting point, you work up from there until you're earning more than you'd get on the dole.

I've worked my whole life and when the job I wanted wasn't available I worked in bars and labouring on building sites. I've been worse off than if I was on the dole at times but I can walk into a job now because I've never 'played the system' and I work my a** off...

I feel sorry for people like me who worked their whole lives and will eventually end up paying for the damage caused by these lazy parasitic criminals.

My opinion only of course...

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I dunno what UK you've been hearing about Jerico but I'd hardly call it a police state The police don't have the right to do a random search, or at least you have to right to refuse it.

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Quote: "I don't know how well I would enjoy living in a police state where I'm constantly surveilled, randomly searched, and living in a place with no jobs anywhere to be found."


There are loads of jobs. That's why there is a constant influx of immigrants to the country taking them up, because they're prepared to do the less than glamorous jobs. The kids who say they can't find a job are either not actually looking or aiming too high, thinking they can get a decent job even though they dropped out of school at 15.

People are constantly surveyed in the city. Can't deny that. So many CCTV cameras. Doesn't bother me one bit though, since I don't intend to burn anyone's house down.

As for stop and search, it is a controversial issue. It only happens in problem areas where it successful turns up drugs, knives and guns on a regular basis. Sure, 10 innocent people get searched for every criminal carrying a weapon. It's can't be nice being made to feel like you're a criminal because you dress like the criminals, or are black/muslim/skinhead/etc (I'm sure there are many cops who believe the racial stereotypes), but surely it's a necessary evil?

In any case, the hassle of being stopped once a week/month because you fit the profile of the stereotypical criminal, and putting up with getting searched and questioned, doesn't justify them becoming a criminal in anger. IMO, it's a necessary evil.

Don't move in the same circles, go to the same rough areas, dress the same way, hang around shops drinking at night etc., or if you choose to do those things, expect to be searched, cos you're fulfilling the profile.

Just my thoughts.

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Quote: "I don't know how well I would enjoy living in a police state where I'm constantly surveilled, randomly searched"


If there weren't such high crime rates this wouldn't be necessary in the first place.

Quote: "and living in a place with no jobs anywhere to be found"


There are jobs, it's just far easier to sit around doing nothing while other people pay for your living.



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Quote: "I dunno what UK you've been hearing about Jerico but I'd hardly call it a police state The police don't have the right to do a random search, or at least you have to right to refuse it."


These are just things I've been reading in the news. It sounds like the rioters are just normal people who are not being served by their government. There's plenty of poor and underclassed people in the states and we haven't had riots in quite some time like what you guys are seeing.

All I'm saying is, it doesn't seem to me that these are kids looking to get the world handed to them. It seems more like these are kids that aren't being given any chances at all.


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Quote: "Sure, 10 innocent people get searched for every criminal carrying a weapon. It's can't be nice being made to feel like you're a criminal because you dress like the criminals, or are black/muslim/skinhead/etc (I'm sure there are many cops who believe the racial stereotypes), but surely it's a necessary evil? "


Sure, it's a necessary evil... if you like your town getting trashed once people get sick of it. No wonder they don't respect the police.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2011 14:13
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Quote: "All I'm saying is, it doesn't seem to me that these are kids looking to get the world handed to them. It seems more like these are kids that aren't being given any chances at all."

I'm sure that's what they'd like everyone to believe...

Were they marching on Downing Street?

Did they organise some sort of peaceful demonstration?

These people are not just kids either, the oldest arrested was around 50. One was the daughter of a millionaire!

This riot just gave the scum a chance to rise to the surface regardless of class...

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