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Mugen Wizardry
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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 21:19
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As the title says, what are YOUR opinions on aliens? Do you think they are real, or fake? And why?

YOU decide!

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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 21:23
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What aliens?

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Anybody saying aliens ( life forms not originating on earth ) are fake are narrow minded people. Do you really believe that, in a universe so enormous we can't even dream of getting out of our own galaxy, let alone reach others, we're the only planet where life evolved? That's like saying that I'm the only one being able to addition 1 and 1 on this planet.... So yes, I believe that theres outer earth life.
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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 21:31
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I believe in illegal aliens, THEY TUK URR JEWBS!

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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 21:40
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Quote: "Anybody saying aliens ( life forms not originating on earth ) are fake are narrow minded people. Do you really believe that, in a universe so enormous we can't even dream of getting out of our own galaxy, let alone reach others, we're the only planet where life evolved? That's like saying that I'm the only one being able to addition 1 and 1 on this planet.... So yes, I believe that theres outer earth life."

You are forgetting one variable: time. I believe it is very probable for life to evolve on alien planets but the chance of us existing at the same time as any kind of alien life, even bacteria, is very slim. Then factor in the chance of us actually finding alien life or even some evidence of its existence before it is destroyed, amongst the billions of stars out there and it becomes near impossible. We'd be extremely lucky to find any life out there unless it is also trying to find us!

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Mugen Wizardry
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Wrong. The Egyptian hieroglyphs have PROOF of alien contact. They have a drawing OF a UFO, and of spaceships, and encounters with aliens.

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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 21:46 Edited at: 13th Aug 2011 21:52
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Quote: "The Egyptian hieroglyphs have PROOF of alien contact"


No.... That's not proof. Please go learn the scientific method before confusing your opinions with facts.

Statistically speaking, there is life outside this planet. If aliens capable of interplanetary/intergalactic space flight visited this planet, they wouldn't just bob around in the sky and randomly appear in photos.

They would land and make contact. And people always say, "Maybe because they fear us?", again.... these are beings capable of interplanetary/intergalactic space flight, we probably look like cavemen to them.

All of the UFO stuff is nonsense. Just people looking to find purpose in life, but just looking in the wrong place.

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Mugen Wizardry
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It is too proof. -.- Besides, we ALL know what's hidden in Area 51. -.- There ARE afterall 28 levels ABOVE top secret for UFOs.

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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 21:49
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Oh dear, someone's brought that up already.

I also saw a TARDIS in one of them.

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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 21:53 Edited at: 13th Aug 2011 21:56
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Quote: "It is too proof"


No it isn't. Really.... it isn't. Its all speculation.
Just because people started building stuff doesn't mean Aliens were involved. Nobody says that the Industrial Revolution was caused by aliens. How about the Romans? That must have been aliens right?

Its just stupidity fuelling stupidity.

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As Isocadia said, in the entire universe the idea that there's only one planet (ours) that has life on it is rediculous.

However I think the main question in this thread is whether or not the sightings on earth of supposed aliens are real. Honestly I don't believe in flying saucers and alien abductions; apparently the closest planet to earth that could contain life is Gliese 581 and is 20 light-years from us, thats my main doubt. The sheer distance is so immense that the idea that aliens would fly down, take a quick look around from a great altitude and then swoop down and abduct someone walking their dog doesn't quite make sense to me. The equivilent to that would be flying to Austrilia, picking up a koala and then flying back home.

Anyway, to conclude I'd say that I believe in aliens or life outside of earth, just not them visiting earth.

Also if anyone wants to read about Gliese 581 then here's an article I just found: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/29/AR2010092907706.html


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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 22:05 Edited at: 13th Aug 2011 22:06
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By the way to make a point, I'm happy for anyone to believe what they want to believe, but I don't accept people saying things like "proof" or "this is fact".
I take the same stance on religion, I don't give a crap what you believe, as long as you accept there is no scientific evidence to support your belief.

If you had said, I believe in aliens visiting this planet, I wouldn't have taken issue in it. I don't share your belief, but I'm fine with it. What you did though, was spout off rubbish about things being proof and fact. That.. I have an issue with.

So please, don't be another one of those ignorant fools who thinks because they've done 20 minutes of looking up things on the internet, that they have all the "proof" in the world to believe something is fact.

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The problem is we always tend to think these things through as humans,it might make complete sense to an alien to travel hundreds or even thousands of light years to stick probes where the sun dont shine, some of em might even like the idea of 'doing' the dog too.
Could even be that they aint the slightest interest in us, I got it on good faith their more interested in Wallabies, considered throughout this galaxy to be the dominant species.

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Mugen Wizardry
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More like 10 years. and I KNOW whats real and what's not. I'm sorry you take offense to this. Lock this topic if you think I'm hurting anything, because ANYBODY on here would agree that I'm not hurting ANYTHING here.

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Quote: "More like 10 years. and I KNOW whats real and what's not. I'm sorry you take offense to this. Lock this topic if you think I'm hurting anything, because ANYBODY on here would agree that I'm not hurting ANYTHING here."


I don't take offence to you believing something is real and I don't think anyone should put you down if you believe in aliens visiting this planet.

But what I don't accept is you saying that things are "proof" and fact, because that is wrong. There is no scientific proof for it. But if you want to believe in aliens even if there is no scientific proof, then all the power to you. Don't let anyone try and put you down for it.

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Though BiggAdd, are you suggesting that aliens can't exist because science disproves of it? I know that's the sciency way of thinking, but you have to consider the fact that it's also not been proven that they don't exist.

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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 22:24
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well, more or less. they'd either have to travel at sub-light speed, starting heading towards us at a time when our planet had no civilisation, or they defy infinite mass and travel beyond the speed of light

so yes, I'll take a leap of faith and say Science disproves it
I'll Got one Further:

If you believe aliens are regularly travelling to earth, YOU ARE AN IMBECILE

I'll leave somebody to find the typo I've *ironically* left in there


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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 22:24 Edited at: 13th Aug 2011 22:30
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I'm an alien believer since I first heard about recent alien sightings in finland, and stumbled upon this scientific report after some research:





...on a more serious note, it'd be quite naive to believe, that we're the only form of life in the whole universe, and I'm quite certain that far, far, away from us there may be life in some form - altho' I don't think we'll ever find proof for that (at least not for quite some time), let alone get to see them.

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Umm... Banhammer?


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Quote: "Though BiggAdd, are you suggesting that aliens can't exist because science disproves of it? I know that's the sciency way of thinking, but you have to consider the fact that it's also not been proven that they don't exist."


Just because something hasn't been proven not to exist, doesn't mean to say you can say that therefore it does exist.

All I can say with aliens, is that I have no scientific evidence to prove that they have visited this planet, therefore I can't accept that they have.

All I'm saying is that you can't say, "I believe in X because Y proves X exists" if Y isn't a scientific proof.
As a scientist, you have to say "I can't accept X exists, because there is no Y to prove it exists"

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Quote: "Just because something hasn't been proven not to exist, doesn't mean to say you can say that therefore it does exist."


My point exactly : We don't know

They exist and don't exist at the same time until you open the box.

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The problem is we ask why aliens may or may not come here, from a human's persepctive, citing reasons a human might come. Who can say what reasons aliens would create?

Surely if life is as rare as we perceive, then some would want to monitor planets, ensure they won't be lost or catalogue them just in case. I dunno, I'm skeptical on UFOs and abductions, but there's definitely aliens out there. Just getting to them that's the problem.

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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 22:39 Edited at: 13th Aug 2011 22:47
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I've drawn a diagram for those who don't know the difference between proof/facts and opinions/beliefs.



By the way, if you found that image offensive, there is actually nothing offensive about it.

If you were to ask me, what came before the big bang, I would simply answer.. "I don't know". I can't speculate, there is no evidence to support any hypothesis or any religious belief. So I couldn't say if a God did it, it was antimatter or anything, I just can't say.
You may find that boring, but as scientists can't hold beliefs like that.

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Mugen Wizardry
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Well hey, what can ya do? I mean I believe in them because of the evidence that has come up. Such as when theres a crop circle, and under it, everything has been perma frosted instantly after it was made. But thats just my opinion

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Quote: "Well hey, what can ya do? I mean I believe in them because of the evidence that has come up. Such as when theres a crop circle, and under it, everything has been perma frosted instantly after it was made. But thats just my opinion"


Well then that's fair enough. If you want to believe aliens create crop circles, then you go for it!


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Just two points I want to make.

1. Pictures/drawings of spaceships from a long time ago are no more proof of aliens than pictures of spaceships on YouTube today are.

2. Aliens don't have to be "human like". We have no idea what other forms life may take throughout the universe... and beyond.

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Statistically speaking there's bound to be (or has been) some life form on some rock/gas giant other than earth. Even so, it's still a pretty big leap to jump to saucer dudes probing farmers in their spare time.


Hmm, I wonder what's coming in 2011?
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Ok. what is your guys take on the cow mutilations? As they have mentioned, it was cut in a surgical fashion. And it was PERFECTLY healthy the day before.

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Quote: "Ok. what is your guys take on the cow mutilations? As they have mentioned, it was cut in a surgical fashion. And it was PERFECTLY healthy the day before."


Can you provide a link to an article or some documentation on this incident?

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Posted: 13th Aug 2011 23:01 Edited at: 13th Aug 2011 23:01
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Cow killing surgeon?

As for the topic, I believe there must be life somewhere. I mean come on there's a lot. Example A and B below.

http://videos.spacetelescope.org/gigagalaxyzoom/B.html
http://www.astrosurf.com/sguisard/Pagim/GC.html



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Quote: "Ok. what is your guys take on the cow mutilations? As they have mentioned, it was cut in a surgical fashion. And it was PERFECTLY healthy the day before."


Bigfoot?

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If aliens exist then they are probably keeping their distance from us because we are crazy and full of disease!

The whole "aliens built the pyramids" is stupid and a bit racist, let's make up the most bizarre explanation because Africans are surely incapable of such a grand civilisation. It was said before that no one has ever given this kind of explanation for the Romans or Greeks or any other civilisation, so why do the Egyptians need some crazy explanation?

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Here's the Utah UFO cow mutilations.

http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_CattleMutilations.html

Here's the main site I found the above link on, that has TONS of info:

http://www.doomsdayguide.org/UFO/ufo_cattle_mutilation.htm

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If there is a supreme alien race capable of travelling faster than the speed of light, cloak their presence, and discovered our planet only to mutilate some cows and doodle on our fields then the universe should give itself a big facepalm.

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I rarely use strong opinion twice, but it seems to have gone on deaf ears

to reiterate:
If you believe aliens are regularly travelling to earth, YOU ARE AN IMBECILE

Besides, what interest would an alien have with the average human anyway. You don't have to worry, They'd go after somebody important like me

I don't sound arrogant at all do I?


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No. No you don't -.- And I'm not the "idiot"

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Because aliendave.com and doomsdayguide.org are the most trustworthy sources around
Please link us to a proven news site. I'm personally not going to take a word I see on those sites as the whole truth. Plus the colors hurt my eyes

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Anyone watch that documentary on Discovery? I was trying to watch Shark Week instead but got the wrong week. Anyways there was some random alien battle in Germany, after quick Google search, here we go:
http://arcturi.com/AncientAliens/BattleOverNuremburg.html
But I call bs on that. What kind of aliens would travel to EARTH to fight? Why not fight in space?


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Quote: "And I'm not the "idiot""

I said Imbecile

see what I did?

Don't be so susceptible, learn the physics behind intergalatic travel.
chances are they can't break the speed of light. They would of had to have started travelling before we were on the earth. It's only a couple of solar systems away until all our radio signals are yet to reach, we have no footprint in the universe


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Who knows.

ANYway.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/ufos/3524480/Secret-files-reveal-probe-into-cow-phenomenon.html

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New's international, well known for it's reliability


remember that one?
Read the independent


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Quote: "If there is a supreme alien race capable of travelling faster than the speed of light, cloak their presence, and discovered our planet only to mutilate some cows and doodle on our fields then the universe should give itself a big facepalm."


It's worse than you think. They almost always take the anus and reproductive organs. I'm not even gonna speculate what they might want that for.

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Just took a look at both those sites. First thing I did was to look at the 'team' on the first site. Not one single member of the scientific community is on the list! Upon further examination of the site, there was not one single explanation of what scientific methods they use when 'investigating' the mutilations. Third thing I noticed, the site isn't even up to date; "UPDATED: 7/19/2009".

In conclusion, the site is hardly what you would call a reliable source of information, and most definately not the best choice to back up your claims!

If you want us to take your claims/opinions seriously, then I suggest you provide us with links to REAL empirical, scientific evidence.

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GIVE ME T3H THREADS. Stop hijacking my thread, or I'm going to ask BiggAdd to lock this thread.

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lol, The Sun isn't exactly the most reliable of sources either!

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The show Mugen Wizardry probably saw was Ancient Aliens. It's an ongoing series talking about aliens visiting us long ago. A lot of it is really interesting. There's a megalithic site called Puma Punku that Archaeologists say primitive man with only stone tools lived yet the stones there are intricately carved and pieced together like legos and small holes drilled in them with precise 90 degree angles. The only strange thing is the stones are so hard they can only be cut with diamond.

Here's the clip from Ancient Aliens that talks about Puma Punku:


Edit: Oh, Eminent mentioned it first.

And here's the wiki entry for Puma Punku:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku

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I'm not taking the thread off-topic, I'm proving with a single picture that the company behind the sun is not to be trusted

I Know I'm being really immodest today, but you sir, got served


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@Grog, you are EXACTLY correct. And no, "sir", or "ma'am", or thing, I did NOT get served. Now I am done talking to your kind cuz all's your kind does is try to ruin threads.

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As opposed to proving a point, what kind of sick person would do something like that


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I must admit, that Puma Puku thing is interesting so far.

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