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old_School
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Quote: "You make money, we take 30 percent, and our 30 percent covers all license fees and operational costs for your project.
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So hero engine is now free after they take 30% cut. Ouch thats a big chunk!
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Eminent
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Wat? HeroEngine isn't free.


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Kevin Picone
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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 03:44
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30% is about the minimum


Hmm, I wonder what's coming in 2011?
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Benjamin
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Did you make this up? I see no link to back up your claim.



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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 15:17 Edited at: 8th Sep 2011 15:19
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That basically explains what old_school said. Here is a link about the engine itself http://www.ideasys.com/technology.php. Looks like it's based off the Hero Engine. In the video they say that the user keeps 70% of the revenue, definitely sounds more intriguing when worded like that instead of "we keep 30%".

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Quik
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if it is free and they take 30%... well that is better than paying and they take 30%

I personally wouldnt complain^^

and for the record, I am a man.

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Darth Kiwi
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If you think you can make a game which will sell lots of copies with this engine then I guess the 30% cut isn't so bad. 70% of a lot is more than 100% of a little.

But when there are other engines out there like Unity that have better terms, I wonder why anyone would use this one.

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Quote: "If you think you can make a game which will sell lots of copies with this engine then I guess the 30% cut isn't so bad. 70% of a lot is more than 100% of a little.

But when there are other engines out there like Unity that have better terms, I wonder why anyone would use this one.

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then my question here would be, why not release it for free?

and for the record, I am a man.

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KeithC
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You are also limited with the Free Version of Unity. You don't have access to the full engine.

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Quik
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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 18:03
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Quote: "You are also limited with the Free Version of Unity. You don't have access to the full engine."


though the limitations arent big really.. only problem i have seen is that u dont get the full effects of lights and shadows...

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 19:15
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30% sounds good to me. Very reasonable. Google take about the same cut for Android sales. Whether the engine is worth the effort though is another matter. Looks ok though.

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Ocho Geek
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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 20:02
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Quote: "But when there are other engines out there like Unity that have better terms, I wonder why anyone would use this one."


Well, the features are clearly set up for mp/mmo development. So It might be more suitable for a specific project


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old_School
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Hmm 30% is alot I think, highway robbery.
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Quik
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since they made half the work, no, its not at all alot..

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 22:17 Edited at: 8th Sep 2011 22:19
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30% is reasonable considering all you have to do is make the game using their system. They write the engine, the tools, host the finished product and manage all the transactions.
You don't have to worry about running servers, or dealing with in game purchases or worry about the bandwidth, as they do that all for you.

Personally I think users keeping 70% is highway robbery.
Source.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2011 23:24
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I'm with BiggAdd on this one, sounds like an amazing deal.

Also if you don't like it you don't have to use it. Last time I checked highway robbers didn't come up to you and ask you if you wanted to be robbed

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By watching the video closely: All you really see is an animated character running through a VERY lowpoly environment. Some of these scenes seem even to lag a little. Now, this is possible in pretty much every 3D engine and I think its slightly questionable that they dont show anything else in their advertisment video.



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Posted: 9th Sep 2011 04:50 Edited at: 9th Sep 2011 04:51
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Quote: "By watching the video closely: All you really see is an animated character running through a VERY lowpoly environment. Some of these scenes seem even to lag a little. Now, this is possible in pretty much every 3D engine and I think its slightly questionable that they dont show anything else in their advertisment video."


Do we have to do all the work for you? Honestly (I jest)
http://www.heroengine.com/features/heroblade-all-in-one-development-environment/

I'm pretty sure I've heard that Bioware use this engine (Well probably a modified version of it) in their upcoming Star Wars MMO, so it can't be that bad.
No point re-inventing the wheel when a company has already done some of the ground work for you.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2011 01:06 Edited at: 11th Sep 2011 01:07
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urm did anybody other than me get that You have to pay for... INTEGRATED HOSTING,BILLING+MARKETING... these are services which YOU have to pay for... so its not free, the engine is free maybe but not the hosting... billing or servers.

thats what I worked out from the video anyway...

I can not be bothered checking their website for the details as I can see you will require a dedicated full on server no virtual server will cut it... I presume... but if anyone bothered with the website let me know.

I figure their idea is ok we make the engine free but take a cut from the revenue and then slap them with server and billing charges... and marketing too... ahh why do they make it so not obvious...

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Posted: 11th Sep 2011 01:39 Edited at: 11th Sep 2011 01:42
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Quote: "You have to pay for... INTEGRATED HOSTING,BILLING+MARKETING"

You realize this is all stuff you would have to pay for anyway right?

Quote: "I figure their idea is ok we make the engine free but take a cut from the revenue and then slap them with server and billing charges... and marketing too... ahh why do they make it so not obvious... "


I'm picking up you know next to nothing about the games industry young one.

Android, Apple for apps and all publishers take a percentage. Duh. Otherwise what would they get for hosting your game?

As for the server and billing charges...
Do you honestly think THEY are gonna pay for YOUR game?
It's YOUR game. You have to do the work. Sort out the marketing.
And to be honest, if you're seriously thinking about making a MMO, you should really already have that stuff all sorted.

For a serious developer this is probably the best deal imaginable.
Very lenient. They could take 50% of profits and it would still be alright.
Wow.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2011 01:48 Edited at: 11th Sep 2011 01:50
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thats kinda rude you know... as stating the not mentioned for the newbies reading...

Quote: "I'm picking up you know next to nothing about the games industry young one.
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and the winner of the shear rudeness award... rampage

PLEASE DO NOT SHOW HOW IMMATURE YOU ARE BY PRESUMING. or assuming, whichever door you like.

[reads location]
nevermind

Back on topic... I personally think, make your own game [DBPro, whatever] find some hosting, they are not expensive... create a website or take up a free offer from someone on here... ;-y ... and go around review sites and post up your game = free marketing and huge traffic... if anyone needs an idea of a review site, I wish not to mention any here in case its against the AUP... [in other words I could simply say post it up in WIP thread here]

@ Rampage
You clearly can not understand humour... so I shall just say, ignore this post but try re-reading My last post... eitherway Hi dude.

EDIT
M in my.
c to s in chear to shear...


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MrValentine, i have one thing to say to you: What?

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Posted: 11th Sep 2011 01:53 Edited at: 11th Sep 2011 01:55
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Hey Quik [how's it going? ], doesnt matter haha nevermind, I was just stating that in that video they made it out to seam like everything was free ish but they just took a cut, was just making clear that it was not all free... but nevermind some people didnt get the point... I shall avoid stating the obvious from now on... I guess...

Funny people stab you in the back when you are just trying to be helpful... here old lady let me help you carry that heavy bag across the road... get off me you baffoon [2 f's?] help help thief...

What a lovely world we live in lol

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t in stating was originally stauing... typo...

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From their FAQ:

Quote: "We take 30 percent of your game's revenue and we pay for operating costs."


Quote: "We use Visa PlaySpan to provide 84 billing methods in 122 countries. They handle all the money. After financial transaction fees (credit card, mobile, facebook coins, paypal) you get 70 percent, we get 30 percent, and we have to pay all the costs for licenses and servers and bandwidth"


Quote: "We pay for all the operating costs, but beyond the initial testing and launch window for you game if you wish to grow your game or keep your game at a distribution level beyond what our share of the revenue can cover, then you would either need to scale your game back, or cover the costs yourself."


Quote: "We also pay for all 3rd party licensing that the HeroCloud makes use of: FaceGen, FMOD, Granny3D, UMBRA, Speedtree, and a number of others that won't cross any developer's view."


Quote: "Once your game is looking good, we absolutely want to be part of marketing it and getting it out there. After all, we don't make money if you don't make money."


They only ever mention you having to pay hosting if it outgrows what they can manage to cover from their 30%.

Also it's worth remembering this is the same engine that Bioware is using as a base for TOR, and Bethesda Softworks is using for a yet unannounced MMO.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2011 02:02 Edited at: 11th Sep 2011 02:03
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@RalphY

I love you, haha cliche?

Cheers buddy, you rescued Me

eitherway I think this threads outlived its point... please dont bother Me with any messages regarding My posts, just keep it on topic guys.

I guess the next step for this thread post is to figure out the quality and available tool sets... and whether its an easy or moderate level [skill] product.

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dang keyboard typos.

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Quote: "I love you, haha cliche?
Cheers buddy, you rescued Me"

er, no worries . Has someone been out 'ing?



I'd imagine given the nature of MMOs the engine is aimed at more professional developers than the likes of us TGC crowd. From the descriptions it sounds comparable to earlier versions of the Unreal engine in terms of available tool set.

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@MrValentine, I clearly could have said that without the rudeness.
Apologies.

Quote: "[reads location]
nevermind "


THAT on the other hand... Don't really know what to say to THAT.

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Quote: "was just making clear that it was not all free... but nevermind some people didnt get the point... I shall avoid stating the obvious from now on... I guess..."


I was going to post 'WTF are you talking about', but looking up at your previous responses I'm concerned you might throw a tantrum!

Of course you have to pay for marketing and hosting, you expect them to market AND host your game for you, for completely free? What nonsense is this? Image a free sandwich sample stand at the supermarket. You don't expect the bloke there to pay for the petrol you used to get there, do you?

And I don't have a problem with people who aren't knowledgable about particular subjects, but you seem to spend most of your time smearing other people, yet demonstrating at the same time you have no idea what you're talking about! That is rude, because it's whinging for whinging's sake.

Quote: "[reads location]
nevermind"


You're giving us Brits a bad name

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Quote: "You're giving us Brits a bad name"


is that not standard?

Quote: "THAT on the other hand... Don't really know what to say to THAT."


just kidding I am not very good at comebacks lol


@ Ralphy, not yet...

Quote: "but you seem to spend most of your time smearing other people."


Not true, but Nah I hardly ever whinge... only where required...

sorry just replying in short here, got to put together a new system within 24 hours, 150+ products to read up on... argh agony... sold my rig so apologise if I sounded iffy today... guess you can understand I am downgrading from high spec to low spec for some time while My shop sets up... plus been ill.. kk gtg speak soon when new system is up... might be Monday night...

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