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Fuzz
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I recently started playing Age of Empires Online with my friend and we're having good fun with it. I still remember the day I got Age of Empires 1 and 2.

Before AOEO, I feel that Company of Heroes was the last good RTS (Haven't played SC2) that I've played. I was extremely disappointed when I played Dawn of War 2 at my mates house and discovered the lack of base building. It made me sick, especially since I had so much fun with the original.

What do you guys think of an RTS without base building?

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If anyone is interested in making an RTS based on my world with me, let me know here. I can model buildings and some environment stuff, can do 2D art and sounds. This isn't a team request (I don't think ), I'm just interested to see if anyone wants too.


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The best RTS ever was Homeworld, and that didn't have base building, although you did have to protect the mothership so I guess that counts. I'm kinda ambivalent about it really; some games really need it, others don't.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2011 13:29
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Quote: "I recently started playing Age of Empires Online"


What's your gamertag, I'd be happy to play with someone from here.

I, also felt that DoW2 was not as good as the first, but I still enjoyed it. It wasn't to do with the lack of base building though.

I still think Red Alert 2 is the best RTS I have played. I also had a whole heap of fun with Halo Wars.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2011 13:35
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Can we see examples of your RTS style models?

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Fuzz
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Quote: "What's your gamertag, I'd be happy to play with someone from here."


FUZZ is in use. Sounds good.

Quote: "Can we see examples of your RTS style models?"


I found a flash drive that had some from 2009 that were okay but I'll start up some new models if you're interested.


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Dawn of War 1 was fun IMO. Age of Empires 2 is like, the godlike crucible of my RTS nostalgia...

Also, Halo Wars was an okay offering...

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Quote: "Halo Wars was an okay offering..."


Yes it wasn't outstanding, but I played lots of multiplayer with the same group of people and it was a blast. I much prefer playing with real people over the AI in RTS games.

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Quote: "What do you guys think of an RTS without base building?"


honestly iam not so very keen on them. I find them rather dull with the exception of World in Conflict, as it actually makes it feel rather fluid.. every other one i have tried i have been bored to death with lol

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Quote: "Yes it wasn't outstanding, but I played lots of multiplayer with the same group of people and it was a blast. I much prefer playing with real people over the AI in RTS games."


How rigid the base building was one of my qualms, as it meant that guy who had been building his duo-Scarab supplememnted with a fleet of engineers knew exactly where to put that bugger.

But yeh, the AI were either derp, or Zerg Rush. The game got alot less credit than it should've received, much like ODST I guess...

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C&c 4 is a prime example of why you always have some sort of base building.


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Is C&C 4 where you have those massive walker bases?


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Total War or GET OUT.

Yes, it is me.
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I've got Medieval 1, Medieval 2 Gold Edition, Rome Gold Edition and Empire. I really wish they would make a WW2 game.


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Quote: "Is C&C 4 where you have those massive walker bases?"


Yes, and there's only one game mode. Oh and you either get, turrets, OP tanks, or jets. Ofc you get the Op tanks and rape everything that moves. Worst £3 investment in my life.

C&c 3 Tiberium wars is where it was at. Still play it online' on the xbox's with 4 friends.


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I think I have all the C&C games besides 4 but I can't really get into them, I prefer swords over guns in an RTS even if COH is my favourite RTS


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That is awesome and it does include a form of basebuilding

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Shogun Total War was awesome. I so want to play Shogun Total War 2 but my laptop is too inferior. Dawn of War was another one I loved, I used to play a lot of multiplayer with a friend who was really into RTS games, so he was better at me and I rarely won, but meh, it was still a lot of fun. Like our Monoliths going out at each other, wiping each other out until I realised his monoliths were attacking mine to distract me whilst he took out my bases. :/ I might reinstall it again, maybe Shogun Total War too if I can get it to work (I struggled on Vista, maybe 7 will have better luck)

Civilization V was my latest purchase, I can't say its as fun as those other 2, but quite tactical and you end up doing a single campaign for hours and I like the facts you build up your technologies - normally that's my focus, try and advance quicker than the other nations and then destroy them. Oh and I have invaded France and they surrendered.

I loved the Age of Empires Series and I had fun with AoE III, but I guess I ought to check out AoEO, though I am kind of skeptical as to weather it's any good.


But I guess my favourite would be Shogun Total War, hands down.

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Achron anyone?
And like Toasty said, TOTAL WAR OR GET OUT.


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Victoria.

nuff said really! even though thats a totally different kind of game x)

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Installing Medieval Total War. This thread has got me in Total War mode again. I have the original Shotgun, Medieval and Rome, but I'm feeling medieval today!

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Quote: "Civilization V was my latest purchase, I can't say its as fun as those other 2, but quite tactical and you end up doing a single campaign for hours and I like the facts you build up your technologies - normally that's my focus, try and advance quicker than the other nations and then destroy them. Oh and I have invaded France and they surrendered."


I have Civ 4. I'm currently in the year 3000 and something, because I set the world size to maximum. everyone has the same technology, so it's a series of battles of attrition.

I consider it an on-going project...

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I love the total war series, but I never play out the battles. I let the computer do that. I prefer the other part of the game more.

I bought Shogun 2 but haven't actually played it yet.

Quote: " I guess I ought to check out AoEO, though I am kind of skeptical as to weather it's any good. "


It's enjoyable, but it's not as good as AoE 2, imo. I'm still playing it though. You can't really go wrong as it's free to download and play.

I also remember enjoying the Total Annihilation games when they came out.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 00:51 Edited at: 12th Sep 2011 00:52
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the only rts i've played was only AOE series and C&C redalert 2. The others i couldn't remember them anymore. I could never get into Starcraft 1 or 2. Even though i own both. It's just not my cup of tea. I did got starcraft 2 for my b-day last year. Me it's all on what you prefer.

lol forgot to add Civilization on the snes. i used to own that one. it was all fun. even part 3 on the pc.

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I have Civ 4. I'm currently in the year 3000 and something, because I set the world size to maximum. everyone has the same technology, so it's a series of battles of attrition.

I consider it an on-going project..."


Lol, that's pretty accurate actually, given the hours you can roll into a single campaign.

Quote: "It's enjoyable, but it's not as good as AoE 2, imo. I'm still playing it though. You can't really go wrong as it's free to download and play.

I also remember enjoying the Total Annihilation games when they came out."


I might give it a shot, but AoE 2 was my favourite too...though sadly I don't have a copy of it anymore. I have AoE 1 somewhere and I installed AoE III earlier this year. But AoE II was where it was at.

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I get to my gaming PC at weekends, put in a few hours a week, depending on what I do...

It's been two-three weeks on that one save, I own half the world, China owns most of the other half, and hates me. Cue long, global war of attrition.

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Quote: "I love the total war series, but I never play out the battles. I let the computer do that. I prefer the other part of the game more. "


HERESY!!! The building part of that game is just a means to an end for me. The battle is where it's at! But admittedly, I've never completed a game cos the battles take so long. If you fight every battle yourself, it'd take weeks to win.

Letting the AI do it though?! Pah! You never experienced the glory of defeating an army 4 times your size, just through sheer battlefield tactics. I feel sorry for you, comrade.

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This.

Anyway, I've been doing some designs and stuff for an RTS I want to make and there's going to be a Feast Hall and Chapel (Temple for the Kalmorrans). Thing is, I don't know what they should exactly do. I'm thinking the Chapel will have some sort of blessing, maybe activated by having villagers pray and the Feast Hall will have some kind of morale upgrades. Any ideas?


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the building part is the whole game tbh x) the early game battles = gold end game battles = long and tirering imo

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Quote: "the building part is the whole game tbh x) the early game battles = gold end game battles = long and tirering imo"


It is way too much to fight all the battles, but I don't think the map side of things has enough depth to be a great strategy in it's own right. The realtime battles make the game imo.

Quote: "Anyway, I've been doing some designs and stuff for an RTS I want to make and there's going to be a Feast Hall and Chapel (Temple for the Kalmorrans). Thing is, I don't know what they should exactly do."


To me, that would suggest you're going about your design the wrong way. If you think of a cool building and then try to assign it a purpose, I don't think it's play well. I personally would design the game mechanics, and then come up with a building that fits them. But that's probably the difference between me as a coder and you as an artist. Artists think of what looks cool, coders think of what plays cool.

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Quote: " But that's probably the difference between me as a coder and you as an artist. Artists think of what looks cool, coders think of what plays cool. "



pretty much yes xD

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Quote: "To me, that would suggest you're going about your design the wrong way. If you think of a cool building and then try to assign it a purpose, I don't think it's play well. I personally would design the game mechanics, and then come up with a building that fits them. But that's probably the difference between me as a coder and you as an artist. Artists think of what looks cool, coders think of what plays cool."


Got it I had them because they are a fairly big part in the story (Each province has a Feast Hall and Chapel) and would feel wrong for them not to be in the game.

Also, do people like training single units or a squad? Say 1 Swordsman or 5?


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Quote: "Also, do people like training single units or a squad? Say 1 Swordsman or 5?"


depends on the game... and the speed.. most of the time i prefer squads but say C&C then it is one unit however the basic unit takes like half a second to train aswell. Look at C&C3 or battle for middle earth then it is groups..

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Just a barracks I did in about 10 minutes. I suck at texturing and the model is very basic.


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Simple, but effective model. If you deleted all the polys that will never been seen, hidden underneath the model, then you gain 1 "Coder Approved" carrot. If you didn't, and your poor GPU has to render those never to be seen ground polygons, you gain 1 "You're wasting my GPU Cycles" gameboy .

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Thanks Fallout!

Quote: "If you deleted all the polys that will never been seen, hidden underneath the model, then you gain 1 "Coder Approved" carrot."


Done. This is just a test model, anyway. I can do better when I'm in the mood and have all my sketches with me haha


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Sorry for the bump. My friend and began working on a sidescroll RTS/RPG. He does nearly all the coding and I do the graphics, a little bit of coding and sounds.

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Quote: "Yes it wasn't outstanding, but I played lots of multiplayer with the same group of people and it was a blast"

I've never been able to get into any RTS, however, that few months of Halo Wars with you and the rest of the group was an absolute blast. Halo Wars was a very primitive RTS and I think that's why I was able to enjoy it. It was very simple and straightforward.

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@Fuzz - Looks cute mate. I think the idea of a side scroller RTS is strange, but that's a good thing. Looks like it could be quite unique. Keep us apprised!

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Ground Control & Homeworld are my favourite non base building RTS games, and for base building RTS games, I still love playing C&C Tiberian Sun with the Firestorm add-on.

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Steam are currently doing a indie strategy bundle, 5 games for £7 (instead of £40) I can vouch for two of them being completely worth it as i paid full price for them. Revenge of the titans is addictive and im still downloading the other two.


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Revenge of the titans and Defense Grid or w/e its called are AMAZING.

but i got both already so iam kind of not buying the pack x)

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Quote: "Looks cute mate. I think the idea of a side scroller RTS is strange, but that's a good thing. Looks like it could be quite unique. Keep us apprised!"


Thanks mate!






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