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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] How pirating sites get away with it all.

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Slayer267
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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 03:36
I decided to trace pirate sites and found out how they get away with it all! They are in countries like Spain and Germany where it is allowed. Basically we can trace them all we want but we can't do anything about it. Such as the one in Germany, they are still making it because they have their own ISP and not some company. I will not give I.Ps or anything, except for mods of course. Mods can email me at

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Thanks

PS - I can find ISP,IP,and location through websites. Try not to make those pirate sites because I will find you!

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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 03:47
What is the purpose of this?

Slayer267
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The purpose is that I can help get rid of pirating! I did find a few in the US where it should not be done!

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 04:07
So you can find them but not do anything. Whats the point? Is it even TGC related

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 04:07
Lets not start this again... Please.



Slayer267
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Well the reason why TGC or anyone else can not do anything about this is because the people who make them are in countries where this is allowed, even if they are in the U.S or U.K they can go around the line but not cross it. That's why we can't do anything! They can be traced though. I am looking to find a way to take them down! >.<

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yohan12
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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 04:41
Im going to be blunt... There is no way in the world that you will ever be able to stop every pirate in the world.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 04:42
Quote: "I am looking to find a way to take them down!"


[VOICE OF MARKO HOXHA ON THE PHONE] Good luck. [/VOICE OF MARKO HOXHA ON THE PHONE]

Five carrots to anyone who can tell me what movie that's from.

It's a simple process to trace the servers country/state/city from it's IP address. It's also simple to get the host info. Then what? You have a few options.

1. Go there and beat them up.
2. Send them an email. This will only work if they actually care and you are the owner of the pirated content.
3. Post about it on the forum.
4. Send the info to TGC since they are the only ones who can actually do anything about it if they even want to.

Your mission, should you decide to accept, is to choose one of the options above. As usual, should you or any of your hacking team be discovered, I will disavow any knowledge of your actions.

This post will self destruct in about 20 years. Good luck.

Brian.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 04:45 Edited at: 12th Sep 2011 04:46
Quote: "[VOICE OF MARKO HOXHA ON THE PHONE] Good luck. [/VOICE OF MARKO HOXHA ON THE PHONE]

Five carrots to anyone who can tell me what movie that's from."


Taken?

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xplosys
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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 04:47


Good job.

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Quote: "This post will self destruct in about 20 years. Good luck. "


I believe this is and will be the best line in this thread until its death.

Thank you, goodnight.

Slayer267
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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 05:35
Lol... I will find them all!

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 05:41
the way to stop piracy, is to not stop piracy.
you need to let people make their own decisions.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 05:50 Edited at: 12th Sep 2011 06:38
Quote: "Germany where it is allowed"


Dude...germany has the most cruel and strict rules on...everything.

There are people in jail for downloading music in germany.
Please get your facts straight.

Piracy websites are unstoppable. Deal with it Its the internet. We don't need another livingroom supercop.



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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 06:36
Pirating sites get away with it because they're technically not distributing copyrighted data, it's the individually people that do. It's hard to shut down for the same reason that a mob is hard to shut down, there are so many people that its very difficult to stop them all.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 07:32
Quote: "The purpose is that I can help get rid of pirating!"


Good luck and have fun.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 08:21
Who says that Slayer isn't being productive?
I'm sure that anyone who was just about to set up a p2p tracker, rent a bunch of servers, code up a website, take their own lives in their hands by risking the wrath of copyright law, and then give you the link to it, will think twice about doing so. GJ!


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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 09:33
They'll think twice just about setting up the P2P tracker considering the time and effort it takes - trust me, I'd know!


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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 12:03
Quote: "take their own lives in their hands by risking the wrath of copyright law"


and the copyright law is quite shoey imo x) since just by downloading and seeding say 10 songs, you can get in a lifetime dept

which is worse than killing someone and getting a 6 year prison isnt it?.___.\\\'

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There mostly based in Sweden and have multiple back up servers across the world. Some sites use more than one server all the time. You can be accessing the Sweden server, then re-enter the site and be connected a continent away, something about server load ect ect.

At anyrate they get away with it because the countries where there based, the laws and restrictions are different and it is legal to do these things there.

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Quote: "At anyrate they get away with it because the countries where there based, the laws and restrictions are different and it is legal to do these things there."


it isnt at all legal to pirate in sweden .___.'

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 14:49
But it is to host the torrent files. That's the reason the pirate bay keeps winning.

Quik
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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 14:51
I didnt know that lol, but it might indeed be true

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 23:34
That is why I am planning to shutdown ALL servers! With anything associated with it!

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 23:37
and that is pretty much illegal.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 23:42 Edited at: 12th Sep 2011 23:42
Quote: "That is why I am planning to shutdown ALL servers! With anything associated with it!
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and as possible as walking on the sun in underwear.

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Posted: 12th Sep 2011 23:57
Quote: "That is why I am planning to shutdown ALL servers! With anything associated with it!"

Good luck my friend! I'll check back in oh... 50 years or so

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Slayer267
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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 00:05
Aw wait that's illegal?

FML

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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 00:39
Hang on, you think the laws thing is anything new? You did a simple whois check and you think you've uncovered the one piece of information that'll allow you to shut them down? xD

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I think its because the site owners providing a file sharing service arent doing anything illegal as last i checked, General file sharing wasnt against the law as its impossible to draw a clear line between files that can be shared, like something you drew in MS paint and wanna share it with the world/ or your friends, Versus files that either have copy infringment on them, or open sourse, or closed sourse, or freeware, or work in progress or whatever. The confusion even came to a point where Some company Sued some school teacher for piracy because he installed open sourse software on school computers which were free for public use under GNU licence agreement, yet someone thought that because its free it has to be copyright infringment. I am sure this type of thing happened not only in russia but in other countries as well. So, to fight piracy more efficiantly they will have to take away constitutional rights of many countries away like free exchange of information. But for that, All ISPs need to be nationalized and put under government control and survalence as well as restrict internet users acess to much of the foreign parts of the internet as well. But the thing is its hard to controll all of the internet. If such restrictions take place, Most of this stuff will go underground into a wideworld realm of underground internet based of virtual private networks and FTP servers with limited Member-only acess. Sure the authorities can sniff out parts of this "Undernet" (damn that word sounds cool) but they cant really Block it trough a virtual private network. This kind of thing will proboly end with ISPs cutting off "violatiors" off the internert which will not end well. Even without internet acess, people will buils offline LAN networks to share content. For this, they will need to make up a new law that give the authorities power to confiscate peoples computers and restrict them from buing new ones. See where this is going? a Digital Apocalyplse!. In my personal opinion the whole system of copywrit ownership and sharing laws need to be completley reworked or we need to come up with a whole new way of managing intellectual property thing which benefits everyone.

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Slayer267
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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 04:25
Ugh we need a way to take them down!

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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 05:40
Quote: "Ugh we need a way to take them down!"

Two words: YOU CAN'T
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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 05:47 Edited at: 13th Sep 2011 05:48
Quote: "Ugh we need a way to take them down!"

Dude seriously, get over it. Million dollar companies can't prevent piracy... Do you honestly think you or people like us can?

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Relax, guys. It would be nice if it was possible to totally prevent piracy and who knows maybe in a few years they will find a way to make it less rampant, but as of now its unfeasible.

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its quite possible, that piracy cannot be prevented so they will make something up that allows piracy to continue but make it so they companies still get profit. Its already happening with tv shows and movies on the internet, free and perfectly legal. But with tons of advertisements. So i think in the future, all our games and progams will be avaliable for free but with annoying adverts everywhere and you can pay money for a version without advertisements

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Quote: "Relax, guys. It would be nice if it was possible to totally prevent piracy and who knows maybe in a few years they will find a way to make it less rampant, but as of now its unfeasible."


the only way to do that is to completly survey the whole internet 24/7 every damn person on the internet, AND in real life would have to be surveyed all the time, then yeah... after that we can start thinking about shutting down piracy, and all other crimes for that matter, for good..

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The best way to actually stop piracy is, as Fatal Berserker said, to not stop piracy. Piracy is stealing. Stealing has never been non-existant, and will never be. The best thing we can all do is teach the next generation the proper morals.

Preventing crime using crime won't work. I'll use the old and widely used saying that best describes this "Two wrongs don't make a right."

Just buy the music, software, and games legit and you're doing your job by supporting the company.

With Steam, Amazon, Ebay, etc. I have found absolutely no use in pirating anything. When I can get the movies I watch, the books I read, and the music I listen to, or the games I play for mere dollars. When there's a game, movie, book, or software I want, I simply wait a few months and it's on sale on one of the sites I just listed. With software, I have found that almost all software has a trial version, and you usually get a discount if you've been through them before. And if the price really is bugging you, and you can't do anything about it...use an open source alternative.

There should never be a reason to pirate anything when you can get stuff for next to nothing in the first place. Using Ebay and amazon, I've managed to get entire movie series (Austin Powers, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars) for under $20. In fact, I just got the Austin Powers series for $7, and LotR for $11 on Ebay.

Songs will cost the same usually. Sometimes you can find temporary deals to get a free song or two, but you'll end up paying $0.99 per song.

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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 11:28
not sure why music isnt free yet_: nobody buys the bloody CDs, buying them online is such a hassle, only software working is spotify and the musicians barely get any money out of that.

the only way to actually make it as a sucessfull musician is to be good at live performences, thats about it really...

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I still buy CDs! Lucky for me there are a lot of small music stores pretty much all over the place. There are even 3 or 4 of them around where i live. They are cheap too, and some shops have these bargan boxes of lesser known bands These are like dirt cheap. $1 per CD

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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 11:39
I once literally found a pantera cd on sale in a dollar store.

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Quote: "not sure why music isnt free yet_: nobody buys the bloody CDs, buying them online is such a hassle, only software working is spotify and the musicians barely get any money out of that."


Hassle to buy online? haven't you ever heard of amazon?

I bought a couple used CDs on Thursday and picked em up in the mail on Monday.


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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 15:11
Ok back to the piracy thing... I don't want this to get locked like my photoshop you into a zombie thing so yeah BACK ON TOPIC!


What I ment when I said we need to find a way to take them down is by finding some law in Germany and then the U.S that will take the sites down. We need some loop hole. I have their location and everything! We just need a way to shoot them out of the sky!

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Quote: " I have their location and everything!"


for every site? let me tell you this: there are HUNDREDS even thousands of them, just google "bla bla torrent download" and you will see.

there is only one simple answer Slayer: you cannot, even if there is a loophole that wont do the biff: it will still continue, that I can promise you, you are trying to fight a fistfight with your wall: you might bring it down but in the end you have hurt yourself more than the wall

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Quote: "What I ment when I said we need to find a way to take them down is by finding some law in Germany and then the U.S that will take the sites down."

Seriously, most of the site people call piracy sites are not - they simply provide links (as do Google/Bing/your favourite search engines), and in most countries (US, Germany and Spain included), aren't illegal. Those that provide the actual content though are illegal in most countries (US, Germany and Spain included).

Even when they do contain infringing content (as does YouTube, which I don't believe they deny), it's not possible to determine which of many identical videos is infringing and which aren't - not even the copyright owners (for example, Viacom) can always determine which they uploaded and which they didn't.

So if they can't do it, how exactly are YOU going to determine what is infringing or not?

BTW, where did you get that claptrap from that Germany and Spain are hotbeds of piracy from anyway?

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*Opens thread, hoping for intellectual discussion.*

*Discovers uneducated vigilante fruitlessly trying and failing to even chip the paint on the issue.*

*Chuckles, then leaves.*

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I just have to say that thing which has been bugging me for a while: There seems to be people getting joy out of freely sharing someone else's hard work.

That's one thing when someone wants to earn money out of YOUR work, but when people distribute your stuff just for fun, and because of that you don't get a freakin penny out of the thing you have been working on for a year, that's something much, much worse of a feeling!

I'm confused, and when it's my stuff, terribly angry, but in a confused way...

...anybody here, who at least once in their life shared something after buying it, WHY DID YOU DO IT?

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Quote: "...anybody here, who at least once in their life shared something after buying it, WHY DID YOU DO IT?"


My friends were thirsty, pepsi was all I had! D:

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Quote: "...anybody here, who at least once in their life shared something after buying it, WHY DID YOU DO IT?"


I believe crackers do that because: first of, its fun for them, just as it is fun for us to make games.
Second of: they probably believe in try the game first - buy it model
considerign they always pull this:
"installation"
1;abkdkasfds
2:asdasda
3:asdadasdas
4:If you enjoyed the game, support the devs! Buy it!

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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 19:10
Also, crackers can occasionally be a force for good. Like that stupid thing on EA games where you can only install it three times, even if it's legit.

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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 21:06
Quote: "the only way to do that is to completly survey the whole internet 24/7 every damn person on the internet, AND in real life would have to be surveyed all the time, then yeah... after that we can start thinking about shutting down piracy, and all other crimes for that matter, for good.."


You don't know "the only way" to stop piracy, and I'm sure there are methods of ingenuity that people can come up with alleviate the problem.

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