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Quik
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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 21:11
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Quote: "You don't know "the only way" to stop piracy, and I'm sure there are methods of ingenuity that people can come up with alleviate the problem."


offcourse i dont, but that would be the only way as far as i can see, to completly whipe out piracy
and even after that there would be a big chance it would still continue

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ionstream
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I didn't say completely, I said alleviate. You can't even completely wipe out murder, which is obviously a bigger issue. But the more you can cut it down the better.

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bitJericho
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Was anyone else reminded of this?



I was the only one? Oh, ok.


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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 21:59
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Quote: "Ok back to the piracy thing... I don't want this to get locked like my photoshop you into a zombie thing so yeah BACK ON TOPIC!


What I ment when I said we need to find a way to take them down is by finding some law in Germany and then the U.S that will take the sites down. We need some loop hole. I have their location and everything! We just need a way to shoot them out of the sky!"

I'm having a hard time understanding why you aren't understanding. You aren't going to stop piracy. You aren't going to put a dent in stopping piracy. You aren't really going to do anything in the prevention of piracy.

As big as an issue as piracy is, if it were possible to prevent, it would be stopped. But it can't be. And never will be because it can't be.

I'm honestly so sick of people complaining about piracy! There are thousands and thousands of crimes that are far worse than piracy. Piracy is just as unstoppable as all the rest.

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lazerus
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Quote: "That is why I am planning to shutdown ALL servers! With anything associated with it!"


I'll sit this one out. Rather amusing though.


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Quote: "You can't even completely wipe out murder, which is obviously a bigger issue. But the more you can cut it down the better."


considering the price you have to pay for piracy... i dont think murder seems to be a bigger issue in the head of our govermets...

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Benjamin
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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 22:18 Edited at: 13th Sep 2011 22:18
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Quote: "considering the price you have to pay for piracy... i dont think murder seems to be a bigger issue in the head of our govermets..."


Apparently they consider money more important than life.



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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 22:21
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Quote: "considering the price you have to pay for piracy... i dont think murder seems to be a bigger issue in the head of our govermets..."

Wow.

That couldn't be further from the truth.

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Posted: 13th Sep 2011 22:25
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That couldn't be further from the truth.
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unless you live in a location where they have death penalties but: murdering, in say sweden, where i live: 6-8 years or prison
pirating? a lifetime dept

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RedneckRambo
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Quote: "unless you live in a location where they have death penalties but: murdering, in say sweden, where i live: 6-8 years or prison"

That's just plain stupid of Sweden IMO. I can't really say it's like that most everywhere else. Definitely not anywhere in America.

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Agreed, mighty entertaining this one.

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Well in the U.S I think its like $250,000 fine and like 50 years in jail for stealing like a movie or something.

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Really?

We get a light slap on the cuffs, and that's if the police officer doesn't also pirate...which they do.

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This.

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Quote: "Well in the U.S I think its like $250,000 fine and like 50 years in jail for stealing like a movie or something."

Not for downloading a movie you dont....thats plain daft.
Only way your going to get that is if you host a bunch of movies for download. If your going to take down the pirates aquaint yourselfwith the law, theres a host of lawyers out there that have no effect because mostof the hosting servers are in Asia, good luck in shutting those down, its not illegal to provide links to the hosts, which is why your wasting your time.

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Wow... Ok...

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Posted: 14th Sep 2011 07:33
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Quote: "Not for downloading a movie you dont....thats plain daft.
Only way your going to get that is if you host a bunch of movies for download. If your going to take down the pirates aquaint yourselfwith the law, theres a host of lawyers out there that have no effect because mostof the hosting servers are in Asia, good luck in shutting those down, its not illegal to provide links to the hosts, which is why your wasting your time."


well, there was this girl I think in denmark or norway? who had seeded 10 songs, and got a lifetime dept from ít...

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rolfy
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If your seeding then technically your hosting.If your in a country that has laws against it then using p2p to download pirate software/music/movies means you seed it as you download it, then its your own fault if you get caught.
Most of the streamed/downloaded content is hosted originally in countries where copyright laws dont apply and are merely linked to which isnt breaking any laws, this is the real reason you cant stop piracy. You can only deal with it at a local level, thing is its the World Wide Web your dealing with.

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Posted: 14th Sep 2011 15:06
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Wow there are ALOT of risks to pirating 0.0

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its worse than robbing a bank basicly, which is rather much bullshoe if you ask me.

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£50k, per song. She ripped the album herself and uploaded it. There's no way to judge the losses from the album so she was hit with the full fine per song. She was made a example of as a deterrent to others. She also had a large pirated movie and song collection which was taken into account during sentencing.

Maximum is a 10 year stint in prison and a £50k fine, for recording a movie, same as uploading it.

The idiots that control these laws are out of date and out of touch with the current systems. That is the reason why the laws are very open-ended. If memory serves, they were instilled in the 90's and have been 'patched' to keep up with the times. So fundamentally they are still flawed as companies abuse the system as much as pirates.


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Posted: 14th Sep 2011 18:06
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Quote: "So i think in the future, all our games and progams will be avaliable for free but with annoying adverts everywhere and you can pay money for a version without advertisements"


Yeah I can see that in the future too. They could use the billboards in first person shooters as a base for actual ads.



I generally get all my games on Steam now. I wonder though if it's possible to put a steam account in my will so my kids will still be able to play all the cool games I bought after I die.

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AHAHA! U can't REMOVED ban me n00b.

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Goodbye.

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Mod Comment: Yes, yes I can. You've now been perma banned Muggens. "


Where'd that come from?


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It's about freaking time that guy got banned. Nice.

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Thank God, he was a worthless spammer anyway.

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Wow I have never seen him Ever... Lol That was pretty funny though...

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Yeh...he started tonnes of pointless threads that never had any purpose and kept getting locked. Threads with arguments that had no real destination...

Hmmm...maybe all people like that get banned in the end...

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@Grog: That gave me a good idea, having in-game ads like that could possibly lower the cost of games. Not like, slamming the ads up your face but having posters and billboards like Fallout 3 and NV did, but use real company names instead. No one really got annoyed over the fake ads in FO3/NV so why would real ads be any different?

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If you published a game filled with real world billboards I would dismiss it out of hand.


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@nackidno: Sport Games? Guitar Hero? Many other titles? It's already happening and it started quite a long time ago...

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@Jerico: That might be the case for some people. But the idea is to make it as subtle as the Fallout Ads. But that would probably make it less attractive for companies to have their products in the games. That could be a problem.

@Accoun: I never play sport games and I've never played guitar hero, so I didn't know.

I do remember thought that I once had a free game called Pickup Express that you drove around with a car and picked up and delivered real world products, that was like ten years ago, so I get where you are coming from.

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I don't want people trying to convince me to buy their product while I'm enjoying a game, personally.



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I don't personally support the idea of in-game ads. But I saw the potential product price reduction in adding in-game ads. I too wouldn't want to see a coca cola ad while playing Oblivion of Half-Life 2 but I thought it was a good idea for us gamers to get our games a bit cheaper.

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It would have a knock-on effect, Nackidno.

So rather than just Nuka Cola billboards becoming Coca-Cola, you'd then drink Coca-Cola, collect Coca-Cola caps, etc, etc...

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That's more than true Coffee, but it also depends on what game it is, for example Fallout and their fake Nuka Cola brand would take a big hit. Besides, I think Nuka Cola has a too wide spread and acknowledgment amongst the Fallout fans for the devs to risk playing that card.

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Quote: "I don't want people trying to convince me to buy their product while I'm enjoying a game, personally."


Wherever I go in the real world, I see ads. Seeing them in a game would be no different to me. I naturally pay attention to or dismiss them all day. Sounds like realism.

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Quote: "Sounds like realism."


The point of most games is to escape reality. Sorta defeats the point of playing if 'drink coke' and 'smithies fancy dress' is plasted all over the place. If it starts then i'll just not buy them games.


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Quote: "Wherever I go in the real world, I see ads."


So you don't mind having them shoved in your face everywhere else too?



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Quote: "So you don't mind having them shoved in your face everywhere else too?"


Sometimes I mind I guess, I try not to let it bother me. It's not bad enough to keep me from going outside and I think in a game it won't be bad enough to keep people from playing, especially if the cost is reduced by the ad revenue. We are basically an assimilating people, and I believe we'll go ahead and play the game with the ad's in it if we have to.

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I guess some people wouldn't mind. I'd personally pay the little extra to not have to put up with the ads though. If I bought a game and it contained ads, I'd feel like I'm continuously paying for something I already own, like paying a subscription fee for a single player game.



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It doesn't bother me to see a real life ad in something like say GTA, but if I saw a real life ad in StarCraft it would destroy the experience.

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I thought this thread was over!

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It is now.

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