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Geek Culture / Please use "code" instead of "codes" or "codez"

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zenassem
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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 15:48 Edited at: 1st Oct 2011 02:23
This post is in response to threads containing the term "codes" or "codez".

As in:
"Please help me with some DarkBasic codes..."
"Here are my codez..."
"Does anyone have the codes...?"

It's standard practice across the industry to use the word "code" when referring to source code.

As in:
"Can someone help me with my code?"
"Here is my source code."


You can have mulitple source files, numerous commands, and many lines in your program... but unless you're referring to ASCII or scan codes, developing a secret agent or spy game, or you're coding a cryptography application, you generally don't have codes.

I tend to overlook the word when I come across it. Generally, I don't want to have the poster feel bad, nor do I want to sway the discussion of the thread to proprer terminology.

I understand that not everyone has a formal background in programming; so I am pointing this out merely to help bring newcomers into the fold.

The word "codes" in programming is akin to using the term fishes - (And Yes, I fully understand that there is a proper use to the word "fishes")- or fishies when talking to a fellow angler. Imagine asking, "So, how many fishes/fishies did you catch?".

Using "codes"/"codez" in your posts can have a negative impact on the quality of the responses that you recieve. There is also the possibility that your peers may not take you or your post seriously.


Happy coding (yeah coding is fine) and Cheers!!!

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 16:27
I wouldn't worry about it, it's a common word in the TGC realm due to this post:

https://forumfiles.thegamecreators.com/download/1031180+zenicanin+14+asm&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 16:40
1: it looks cooler and makes more sense, if you have many codes i had rather say codes than look at my code

although if i wasnt ON THE INTERNET i would probably say codes and code, and totally skip codez.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 17:05
Thanks for making this thread Mod/Grammar Police


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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 17:36
Quote: "https://forumfiles.thegamecreators.com/download/1031180+zenicanin+14+asm&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us"


read that.. oh mein god

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 17:49 Edited at: 29th Sep 2011 18:30
Quote: "read that.. oh mein god
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If this was german...the word would be "gott"

Besides... hilarious

Quote: "Ya all are just too stupid.
A book. If u know something why cant u make a kool game or prog.
come on now. A book. I hate books. book is stupid. I know that I need codes but I dont know the codes. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....
Where can I get the codes. I know how to build it with codes. GET IT. I HOPE U UNDERSTAND. DUHH"


This was the first time I honestly facepalmed to something on the internet


And a note about the subject. The correct spelling would be code. Why? Because it doesn't matter how many characters a code has, its still only one code. You can argue that you might have multiple files (of code) working together. And you would be right, or wrong...to be precise: Nobody cares. Just dont type like a retard (see quoted post) and you're good.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 18:17
Quote: "and your good."

*You're

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 18:17 Edited at: 29th Sep 2011 18:18
I hate to say it Zen but I don't think anyone is going to listen to you, the internet sucks like that.

Anyway, don't worry, I have teh Jokez to bring this thread back on track.


EDIT: It pained me writing that.
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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 18:46
"Internet sucks like that"
or
"It's just not a big deal"
?

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:01
Quote: ""Internet sucks like that"
or
"It's just not a big deal"
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Writing like an idiot isn't accepted anywhere. Try getting a jobz wehre yoo typez leik diz in all off you're reportz.
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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:09
Oh wait, i thought we were talking about codes? guess i was wrong...

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:12 Edited at: 29th Sep 2011 19:12
Everyone has their pet hates with language. Mine is incorrect use of your, you're, their, there and they're.
I let people off if they aren't native speakers but the worst culprits are usually native English speakers.


Oh and "definately" isn't a word...
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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:23
Yeah I agree with you're statement Oolite, their's nothing worse than spelling you're words wrong...

Oh and you should probably add "quite and quiet" to your list, as there quiet important.

GIVE ME DA CODEZ

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:26
I dont understand people getting all infuriated for misusing a language, thats just.. stupid, getting annoyed is one thing and going rampage on it is one thing...

I dont put ´ on don´t, i´ll, you´re etc etc because IAM LAZY. That's all there is to it..

I know how it's supposed to be spelled. I just dont do it on the internet, because I DON'T HAVE TO: i wont get bad grades etc on here, and people do understand me anyway, so i see no reason to.

Saying codes, codez, etc etc: WHO CARES as long as we are on FORUMS, chats etc? Iam fairly sure those people wont type or talk like that on a job interview.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:28
If it were you're intention to make peoples spell it wrong, then you did a good job. If it were not you're intention, then I don't know what you was thinking you wood accomplish.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:30 Edited at: 29th Sep 2011 19:32
While we're on the topic of grammar, Quik you really need to stop writing "iam". It's either "I am" or "I'm". Or "Iams" if you're talking about cat/dog food.

Also: http://www.google.fr/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22more+then%22 brings up over 70 million mistakes for me.



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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:32
Like i said: iam on the internet, people understand its a matter of me being lazy, i know it is I am, but it flows better and goes faster me saying iam, its really not a big deal as far as iam concerned.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:40
Quote: "I dont put ´ on don´t, i´ll, you´re etc etc because IAM LAZY. That's all there is to it.."

It's not hard to use correct punctuation. This is the way you present yourself online to the world and I'd personally rather not come across as a lazy guy who does everything he can to make life easier.

Quote: "I know how it's supposed to be spelled. I just dont do it on the internet, because I DON'T HAVE TO: i wont get bad grades etc on here, and people do understand me anyway, so i see no reason to."

The way you'll see the world once you leave school is going to be quite different, quite different indeed. I was in this mindset when I was in school, doing the bare minimum of everything that didn't result in a good grade or praise from a superior. I don't need a report card now to give me some satisfaction, everything I do, I do to please me (and the poor brains of people who have trouble reading comments with bad grammar ).


Also, this thread is making my head explode.
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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:42
I couldnt care any less about how people see me on the internet if iam honest: Iam totally anonymouse here, to some degree and you guys most likely neither know how i look nor how i act in real life, iam also rather sure you guys dont really care any more about that than i do about how you guys act and look in real life

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Quote: "I couldnt care any less about how people see me on the internet if iam honest: Iam totally anonymouse here, to some degree and you guys most likely neither know how i look nor how i act in real life, iam also rather sure you guys dont really care any more about that than i do about how you guys act and look in real life"

This isn't a personal attack, we all just have opinions.
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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:48
I know it isnt, iam merely stating why i type the way i do, since many people seems to be annoyed by it and wanting me to change it up=P

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 19:49
I'm surprised Oolite... I thought you'd discover my obvious 4 grammar mistakes This reminds me of a text we once read at school. Every word was written incorrectly, yet in your mind you read it perfectly.

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yes, thats how our minds work, works the same with images: even with small fractions of an say, dog image we can still read it as a dog, even though it only has a few outlines here and there..

quite amazing how the mind works at times^^

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Quote: "I'm surprised Oolite... I thought you'd discover my obvious 4 grammar mistakes This reminds me of a text we once read at school. Every word was written incorrectly, yet in your mind you read it perfectly."

I did, if I mention them my brain is going to collapse in on itself out of rage and devour the known world...
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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 20:12 Edited at: 29th Sep 2011 20:13
Quote: "Yeah I agree with you're statement Oolite, their's nothing worse than spelling you're words wrong...

Oh and you should probably add "quite and quiet" to your list, as there quiet important."


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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 21:21
As aye noune-Inglish speeking personne, eye treye toe wraith meye Inglish with out folts as match as possible.

Correct phrase:

As a non-English speaking person, I try to write my English without faults as much as possible.

Which reminds me of when I had English lessons for the Administrational course I followed some time ago. Our teacher pointed out the difference between the words third and turd. Hehehheh.

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I r wel ejuk8d

Codes!?!? What a subject. I need to pop by this end of town more often. Great link in the second post too...

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 22:36
I remember when i was younger, second grader or so, and always spelled three as tree and pronounced it that way x)

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 22:39
Quote: "I'm surprised Oolite... I thought you'd discover my obvious 4 grammar mistakes"


There are more than four

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Quote: "There are more than four"


GIVE ME DA CODEZ is an official forum statement, and doesn't count as a grammatical mistake. Or are you referring to something else?

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Quote: "1: it looks cooler and makes more sense, if you have many codes i had rather say codes than look at my code"


It does not look cooler and does not make sense. "Code" is already plural and can refer to many lines in many files.

I agree with everything Oolite said. There is no reason to be lazy when spelling things correctly and using correct grammar takes no more effort than writing like a moron.

Quote: "quite amazing how the mind works at times^^"


You said it.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 23:39 Edited at: 29th Sep 2011 23:40
Quote: "Yeah I agree with you're statement Oolite, their's nothing worse than spelling you're words wrong...

Oh and you should probably add "quite and quiet" to your list, as there quiet important.

GIVE ME DA CODEZ

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I believe that's five.


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Quote: "It does not look cooler and does not make sense. "Code" is already plural and can refer to many lines in many files."


matter of opinion on the whole cool thing but alright.

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I don't really understand this topic, whoever in their right mind refers to a single bunch of lines as "codes"?... I have never seen this happening.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2011 23:52
It's still funny to say codez though, because we all then think about the good old times in 2002 when zenicanin was around (even though I'm not from that time, I know what it's about xD)

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Posted: 30th Sep 2011 00:11
I am fairly sure Codez was out before that.. this is the first time i heard of that event lol

I say codes, for my codes btw=P

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hoo wonts a baken butty?

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teh codez r so hard 2 do. could som1 plzzz tell me like how to put like gunz and monstrs in ma game? I want make somthing like cod only with zombies and monsters nad cool stuff.

if also som1could sayz 2 me how 2 sell my game I would be thanks

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A lot of people say codes... and yeah I find it kind of annoying. I think it's since I've been typing with spell check on for my entire life. If I type "alot" or "i've" then there's a little red squiggly under my words, and it bugs me.

In eclipse, I even make sure to have warning-free code. Even if it's a trivial warning, I just throw in an @SuppressWarnings.


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Posted: 30th Sep 2011 09:48 Edited at: 30th Sep 2011 09:51
Code definitely makes more sense, since it refers to an encoded language. You don't say "Use your nuclear submarinez to sendz me the secret planz using da morse codezz!". It's Morse Code.

Code lovers can take solace in the fact that if someone goes to a job interview and says "Yes, I like to keep my codes well documented so they're easy to maintain", they won't get through to the next stage.

But I don't care if people say codes. Not as much as I hate "I could care less". That does bug me.

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Quote: "Like i said: iam on the internet, people understand its a matter of me being lazy, i know it is I am, but it flows better and goes faster me saying iam, its really not a big deal as far as iam concerned.
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You might find this sort of post easy to understand, but others don't and it can be especially difficult for those trying to learn the language.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2011 14:35 Edited at: 1st Oct 2011 02:21
My post's intention was not to nitpick grammar or spelling, be it intentional or unintentional. The post is directed at programmers who don't "know" that 'code' is sufficient, even when referring to multiple commands/lines.

I am not mad at persons whom by "choice" decide to use the word incorrectly. As long as they are aware that their decision generally leaves the impression that they aren't knowledgeable or serious about programming and the wider programming community.

In my opinion, "Codez" gives off the same impression or worse, unless it's intent is humor.

Finally, I wasn't trying to get on my "high horse". I don't use spell check on most of my posts, and I make mistakes. If I am asking a question that requires a detailed and technical response, I will often spell check it. If I expect an informed and intelligent response that could require a significant amount of someone elses time, than I believe it's in my best interest to put forth the effort to make an informed and intelligent inquiry.

To each his own... or pwn!

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Posted: 30th Sep 2011 17:05
Quote: "1: it looks cooler and makes more sense, if you have many codes i had rather say codes than look at my code"


About as much sense as sheep and sheeps.


Welcome to the internet, where the stupid is funny. You can either join them or ignore them because you're not going to stop it. Usually it's just people having fun, being facetious or just ironic (like with the Zenincanin guy we had here, I think saying 'codes' or 'codez' is in light of him, "gimmeh teh codez!"), I don't think it's that often down to genuine stupidity.

As far as grammatical errors are concerned, as a writer they make me cringe, especially the obvious ones, "then" vs "than", "you're" vs "your" and so on. But I decide to overlook them unless it's a grammar Nazi making those mistakes or somebody trying to make somebody else look stupid. I know I make my own grammatical errors because I don't very often read what I've written and because it's an informal situation and I don't need to put the added effort in. Though I know when I'm tired I make the worse of my mistakes and some of them can be hilariously stupid, so that's when I tend to look over what I've written. My favourite example was writing the first draft of my novel and it was 2am and I wrote the line "I clasp my heads to my eyes". When I'm tired I have the habit of subconsciously replacing the word I am thinking of with a similar word, I'm sure folks have noticed it here because it has at times taken me days before I've realised my mistake.

So naturally I'd have to be more forgiving. I also know that not everybody understand exactly how grammar works or are particularly well educated in the realms of language and considering how grammar was taught at my school I am not that surprised. I improved my own grammar through reading and not lessons at school. Obviously as a writer it's important that I know where to place and apostrophe and what the purpose of a semi-colon is (I am a semi-colon fan-boy; sad, I know!), the guy running the grocery shop, the minion working behind the counter of Starbucks or Steve the Builder might not.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2011 21:43 Edited at: 30th Sep 2011 21:45
Codez is used on this forum because of the first download. zenassem, if you read the download you will find out why it is used so much.

https://forumfiles.thegamecreators.com/download/1031180+zenicanin+14+asm&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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Quote: "Codez is used on this forum because of the first download. zenassem, if you read the download you will find out why it is used so much."


I'm very familiar with the referenced post. It's legendary. And when it's used by 'people in the know', we get it.

Unfortunately, and perhaps I am wrong on this, I believe that the internal joke inadvertently gets picked up by newcomers, believing that it's actually the correct form to use; or that this is the 1337 way that programmers converse. "codez" is at least more recognizeable as slang. "codes", however, actually has a better chance of confusing people.

I've seen more than a handful of posts from newcomers lately asking for "codes". Not in the full-on, "Giv meh teh codez" style. Perhaps it's confusing to me because it's not so blatant. I am doubtful that they are referring to a post from over 10 years ago. That said, it's quite possible that they are still using "codes" purposely. It's not as if this is the only the place that it is used. There is definitely a higher frequency of appearance here, then say, Gamedev.net.

While I try not to judge, I'm not impervious to certain preconceptions. I know that my replies, and the level of detail, varies based on my determination of the poster's level of skill. Part of that determination is a result of how the question is asked. I don't think I am alone in that. I always try to offer help in situations where I can. But if I am short on time, there's a good chance that I am less likely to spend that time answering a post that isn't well formed. If it's a quick question about a command; sure. If it's a response that requires a detailed explanation or involves lengthy troubleshooting... I'm probably going to pass on answering. And my theory is: Others come to that same conclusion. I think this results in people not always getting the answer that they, perhaps, genuinely deserve.

I hope my intent is clear. People are free to decide for themselves if my post has any merit. I've said all that I can say on the topic, and I feel better for sharing my thoughts. Now I'll let it rest.


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If you're going to complain about something, complain about DBPro users asking for "scripts".


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Posted: 1st Oct 2011 03:21 Edited at: 1st Oct 2011 03:22
Give me da SCRIPTORZ!

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Quote: "If you're going to complain about something, complain about DBPro users asking for "scripts"."


Quote: "Give me da SCRIPTORZ! "


Oh noez!!! "All Your SCRIPTUM Are Belong To Us"



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Quote: "especially the obvious ones, "then" vs "than", "you're" vs "your""


I have to add that I often have trouble with these A lot of us aren't native englishspeaking. And I learned most of my english from the internet and games so therefore my grammar fails me from time to time.

Quote: "My favourite example was writing the first draft of my novel and it was 2am and I wrote the line "I clasp my heads to my eyes"."


As a fellow writer ...I know what you are talking about

When I'm tired, in caffeine and in "must finish chapter" mode I sometimes even forget to add words or entire followup sentences.



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Posted: 1st Oct 2011 16:24 Edited at: 1st Oct 2011 16:25
Quote: "As a fellow writer ...I know what you are talking about

When I'm tired, in caffeine and in "must finish chapter" mode I sometimes even forget to add words or entire followup sentences.
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Yes, caffeine is the culprit! I've not actually had a proper all nighter in a long time, I hate them because sometimes I can have a good idea at 2am and have to write the bloody thing. Tea and Monster are good friends of mine, Monster is obviously for when tea's not powerful enough and I can't stand coffee I'm afraid.

Editing is actually a chain of facepalms of "did I really write that?"


Quote: "I have to add that I often have trouble with these A lot of us aren't native englishspeaking. And I learned most of my english from the internet and games so therefore my grammar fails me from time to time."


Yeah I can imagine non-native English speakers have trouble with the language, it's a creole language that has a LOT of borrowings, so it's horribly inconsistent.

I think an easy way to consider it: often when we use an apostrophe it's used when combining 2 separate words together (a contraction).

You're = you are (so if 'you are' is a sensible replacement, then use 'you're')
They're = they are
It's = it is
don't = do not
should've = should have (people get confused because it's often pronounced 'should of' so people write 'should of')

There vs their on the other hand. Perhaps differentiate between the two with a simple question and answer:
Where?
There!

You know how to spell 'where', therefore you can spell 'there'. I'm beginning to remember my primary school days when being taught to spell, the image of Wonder Hen will be stuck in my head forever (Wonder hen is how you spell 'when'), a super hero chicken ftw!

But of course, we also use an apostrophe for the possessive, to make things confusing, because 'it's' is a contraction, so what about the possesive of 'it'? "Oh my God it's an alien! Its tentacles are wrapping around Steve's throat! Please, won't Siggourny Weaver save us?"

Hurray for being consistent!

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