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Geek Culture / Words and Phrases that no longer stand for what they mean by definition

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MrValentine
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Posted: 3rd Oct 2011 00:37
UNLIMITED -
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/unlimited

I am getting annoyed and I am sure many others are too...
But the question still stands... when did silly companies decide they would re-define the meaning of something so profoundedly embedded as UNLIMITED?

Since when did it stand for... Restricted? Limited? Capped? Controlled? Constricted? words that mean the exact opposite?

Can you find more words and or phrases?

For example I have seen buffet restaurants advertise 'Eat all you can eat' or somewhat similar... but then in small writing... 'UP TO 5 PLATES' ? is it just me or do some people take others to be exceptionally stupid? if someone could not read the small print and was then told sorry this is your final plate and you will have to pay up now... I would march right out that door and not pay a penny... ARGH! so can you guys find any more words or phrases like these that no longer maintain their dignity? ...

Might be interesting to see what others notice in thie ever confusing world of gobbledygoop [never had my english tutor spell that one out lol - but she used it very often]

Hope this was clear in meaning... if it was not ... try reading the small print [referring to the small print irony on the buffet signs]

[please dont go on about that -fair usage policy- gibberish
[and I know they sometimes mean your accessibility not the actual service but thats beyond the point is it not?]

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2011 01:12
It's the English language. Language is one of those constantly changing things and English itself is used figuratively a LOT and it can be a surprise to realise just how figuratively we speak. 'Unlimited' (I suppose, as in 'unlimited broadband') and 'all you can eat' are clearly figurative uses of the language, as they don't necessarily abide by their literal meaning and it is through figurative use that language can also change and words have different meanings from their original usage. Two we've seen over the last century have been 'gay' and 'queer', neither of which meant 'a homosexual person', 'gay' meant 'full of joy' and 'queer' meant 'peculiar/eccentric'. I think I've heard the phrase, "I'm as gay as a school girl", but that phrase would make little sense with the common usage of the word.

Robot is another word, it's from Czech, originating from robotnik (slave) and robota (forced labour), yet we use it in place of 'automaton'. So when you look at it, 'robot' is quite figurative.

'All you can eat' is essentially a hyperbole or simply, an exaggeration, but we do that with language all of the time*. What it means to us is, "you get a crap load of food to eat for the money you pay". So when somebody says 'All you can eat', we know through common usage of the language that we're talking about a type of resturant that will allow you to eat a larger number of portions for a set price.

It's some of the MANY ways people change language and I'm sure it has happened since man first communicated. Of course, language change doesn't mean their previous meaning is always obselete either, you can pick up a dictionary and see words carry multiple meanings, 'word' itself has its own metanyms - Word in Oxford Dictionary


*See I just did it with that sentence.



Err...sorry for the language nerdishness.

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2011 01:37
So what your saying is....

You went to an "All You Can Eat" restaurant, and ate so much that they asked you to leave?

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2011 02:02 Edited at: 3rd Oct 2011 02:03
I suppose...if you were to be pedantic...

"All you Can Eat" is accurate, because the 'can' isn't based on your body's limitations but their own policies, so it's "All you can eat within our restaurant's policies". Neither are actually specified by the statement, except maybe, "the up to 5 plates" in the small print.


At least, I'm sure that'd be a useful defense on their part if you were to sue the blighters for false advertisement.

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2011 02:41
god I cant stand that bloody apture thing kills my highlighting and typing ability in this box...

had written a nice message and now its so late I will keep it short...

Seppuku - nice put

xplosys - hehe, no I am not port shaped lol - but I just snigger when I see some poor dud getting sold something completely irrelavent to them in some high street store completely bevildered by all the marketing humbo jumbo , though I see right past it all and know what I am looking for before a sales rep even approachs me... they know I bite >.<

[insert french word here] hate it though... hate seeing people getting ripped off for something daft... but anyhoo... ftr I do not really like all you can eat buffets because I only ever eat one plate full lol... I prefer more up market places when I do eat out...

Knowing how kitchens run, I am very picky on the places I eat out

any more confusing phrases out there? {night night for now}

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2011 10:10 Edited at: 3rd Oct 2011 10:11
I think over eat buffets should advertise thus (edit: awesome - I meant, 'all you can eat' but I'll leave that typo in because it makes more sense ):

ALL YOU CAN EAT*

*Up to 1 plate full, you fat bastard.


As for the debate in hand, it is a little bit misleading when companies exaggerate their service. Good examples already mentioned - unlimited broadband, all you can eat ... here's another one ... UNLIMITED DETAIL TECHNOLOGY.

You just have to ignore the slogans and read the small print.

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2011 23:16
Word fun:

Flammable and Inflammable mean the same thing?

When your cuff or hem becomes raveled, it's unraveling?

"I could care less" when what is meant is "I couldn't care less"

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2011 23:27
Fun one is Digital Aerials over here...because I had an angry customer claiming I was deceiving her with those...

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 01:05
Quote: "Flammable and Inflammable mean the same thing?"


Flammable, from Flammare (flame) or Flammula, Latin, can be a small fire or a blazing fire or just a 'flame'.
Inflammable, from inflame and inflame comes from latin too, inflammare, which is to set alight with passion.

So the 'in-' doesn't actually mean what 'in-' usually means and that is to lack. It seems illogical with how we use other words, but there's the etymology of those words, I would guess that to the latin if something is inflamed, then it is more intense than something that's just flamed, in contradiction to the other usage of that particular prefix.


Ravel vs Unravel has an interesting answer here:

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=ravel&searchmode=none

It seems as something unravels ends up getting tangled (or at least where its usage originates), therefore 'ravel' is used to mean 2 contradictory things. The answer: the weavers who confused the two words for us obviously weren't very good at keeping their threads tidy.


Quote: ""I could care less" when what is meant is "I couldn't care less""


I suppose literally speaking: "I could care less" means, "I haven't quite reached my boundaries of not caring, perhaps the version of the phrase was meant to say, "if you carry on I'll just care less and less" and "I couldn't care less" means "I've reached my boundaries of caring" OR simply it might have been, "I couldn't care less" (or 'I could care less') and people have misheard it and it's just evolved that way.

Also, irregardless is now a word, what was once considered a grammatical error (confusion of irrespective and regardless) actually has a dictionary definition, well some still do consider it grammatically incorrect. According to the Oxford Dictionary the usage actually dates back to the 19th Century. And people will still tell others off for using it, so it can be a great way to make a language snob cringe. Except me, obviously.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 02:39
irregardless - I heard this once and strangely did not bat an eyelid >.< maybe I was too tired haha

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 04:35
Wait, how is an all you can eat buffet false advertising. If there's a limit I've never gotten there, and I've put away 6 full plates before..

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 10:43
Stealing it by dumping it into your backpack when the waiter isn't looking doesn't count!

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 15:02
Quote: "Stealing it by dumping it into your backpack when the waiter isn't looking doesn't count! "


I like to line my pockes with sandwich baggies.


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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 15:15 Edited at: 4th Oct 2011 15:16
One of the funniest things I've seen is women walking out of the All-You-Can-Eat buffet with crab legs sticking out of their purses. Of course, this was years ago. I don't think you can get All-You-Can-Eat crab legs anymore. In the south, on any given Sunday, you will often see large families enter an All-You-Can-Eat buffet as soon as they open, and stay until they close. They eat three meals while the kids run around and play. Still, the restaurant seems to make a profit.

I'm a pessimist by nature, and I don't believe anything that sounds too good to be true. I know that unlimited isn't, so I always check the small print. Probably what bothers me most is when they make you an offer for services, like cell phone or cable service, for "Only" a very low price and the bad news is in the small print.

They have lawyers that get paid good money to figure out how to mislead you and keep it legal.

Brian.

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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 16:17 Edited at: 4th Oct 2011 16:17
This is the most unlimited thing on youtube. I would have to agree that its crapness is unlimited in it's timelessness, so perhaps the word does apply in some situations?!



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Posted: 4th Oct 2011 16:31 Edited at: 4th Oct 2011 16:32
One of the best words is Perfect... because even by definition, it doesn't make sense.
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Posted: 5th Oct 2011 06:51
@Fallout - OMG! you really are british >.< epic video man, brought back memories... high school was soooo epic lol

@ Sasuke - {we have a philosopher on board now?} - no really that was beautiful, and a perfect example of my threads point

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Posted: 6th Oct 2011 00:43 Edited at: 6th Oct 2011 00:44
"All you can eat (up to five plates)"
What a silly disclaimer. How often is someone going to be able to eat over five plates of food?! If you're going to be that greedy I'd be happy to keep shovelling in the food and watch you get fatter and fatter!

Unlimited is just bad grammar. For something to be unlimited it must first be limited; you can't undo something that is yet to be done. Non-limited would be better.

I hate Americanisms like Labratory and Aluminum. Removing syllables makes you look dumb.

Quote: ""All you Can Eat" is accurate, because the 'can' isn't based on your body's limitations but their own policies, so it's "All you can eat within our restaurant's policies". Neither are actually specified by the statement, except maybe, "the up to 5 plates" in the small print. "

Then it should be called "All You May Eat" lol that would be funny!

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Quote: "Stealing it by dumping it into your backpack when the waiter isn't looking doesn't count! "


No, actually I ate it all. When I was in my teens I was a bottomless pit.

I miss those days

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Hate. Just look around the forum for the meaningless and petty things that people hate.

to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.

Dictionary.com


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Posted: 6th Oct 2011 06:00
@xplosys:

I generally use the word, by definition, correctly.

For example:

I hate being grouped into a mass of generalization, such as this -
Quote: "I hate Americanisms like Labratory and Aluminum. Removing syllables makes you look dumb."


Making such a broad assumption makes you look dumb.

If you want to get down to it, I say the words properly. But due to my american accent, it doesn't sound correct to you. If you want to complain about the spelling of the word, you'd be better off complaining about chat speak.

Honestly, I don't understand the need for such a fierce debate. Language has developed for one purpose; to communicate your thoughts to another. I've never complained about a southerner using "Ya'll" in a sentence. Of course it's incorrect, but I know what they mean. If you understood the message, asking for more is just being juvenile.


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Posted: 6th Oct 2011 14:58 Edited at: 6th Oct 2011 15:07
I don't use "Ya'll" but I certainly don't feel any extreme aversion or extreme hostility toward the word.

Quote: "Removing syllables makes you look dumb."


Would you feel better if we changed our language to more closely align with yours? Perhaps all nations should?

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Posted: 6th Oct 2011 23:54
Quote: "If you want to get down to it, I say the words properly. But due to my american accent, it doesn't sound correct to you. If you want to complain about the spelling of the word, you'd be better off complaining about chat speak."

Oh god, I hate this too, when people over here bitch and moan about american accents, I just feel like going 'Did you understand what he said? Shut up then!'

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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 00:10 Edited at: 7th Oct 2011 00:11
Quote: "Oh god, I hate this too, when people over here bitch and moan about american accents, I just feel like going 'Did you understand what he said? Shut up then!'"


Buuuut, the way Americans say "Zebra" is like a German scientist saying, "The bra"!

Though I do totally agree with you sir, as much as I like to mock them...but really and truly it's just brotherly love. That's the most significant thing about language, to communicate, if you're able to understand each other then it's a success! This whole 'the proper way to say it' is such an old stuck up thing. Heck people laughed at Burns for how he did poetry as he wrote in the Scottish dialect because it was 'improper English' and now the literary crowd celebrate him...so do the Scottish, but probably because he basically stuck his middle finger up to the English snobbery of his time and well...I suspect the Scots like anything that sticks the middle finger up to the English.

It's why I hate grammar Nazism. I think standardised English lacks individuality and every single individual makes their language their own and it speaks volumes about them, including things the prescriptivists out there would call 'improper'. Now obviously we have 'professional' language and a standardised form and it's good to learn, but I say, let people be themselves, irregardless* of how imperfect their language is.


*Ah, see what I did there!

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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 06:55
And here I thought I was going to receive a good burning for that post. Glad I'm not the only one with that viewpoint!

I think the only time I've ever asked someone to "speak properly" is when I truly had no idea what they said. A good example is when I've been approached with what has been labeled "street speak" or whatever. In all honesty, I never could correlate a particular strain of cheese to mean "money".

I typically only resort to grammar/spelling naziism if I was targetted by a grammar/spelling nazi.


On another note... using a hyperbole is considered to be correct grammar as much as sarcasm is considered to be grammatically correct. "All you can eat", "unlimited", "never", etc. are all grammatically correct. They didn't change meaning, the meaning is still there, but much like how the sentence "HELP!" has an understood "me", these sentences/phrases/words are typically understood to be an exaggeration.

I don't see anything wrong with exaggerations. They don't hurt you. If you actually ate 5 plates of a meal in an all you can eat buffet, I would say you have nothing to complain about as you just ate far more than your money was worth, and to stop while you're ahead could really only help you.

That said "unlimited broadband" is still unlimited in a sense (IE. I've never had my internet shut down because I used it "too much"), while usually limiting some other aspect of your plan.
This is where researching your options helps out a great deal.


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