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Geek Culture / TGC needs to set up a store...

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Hodgey
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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 10:15
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Quote: "Thanks for the mention Hodgey, in no way will I ever be in competition with you more along side you we could cross network traffic which should help with google rankings "

You're welcome MrValentine, BatVink would be the one to talk to about that. I'll let him know.

Quote: "Hodgey how does your site currently work? is it an advertising outlet or also for making purchases?"

Currently it acts as a place for ADG members to write articles about their games with links to the relevant app stores. Since all of the games on our website link back to it, it's supposed to increase the publicity of the site. So basically it's for advertising, presently we don't handle purchases.

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MrValentine
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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 10:18
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cool, that means I offer the developers to create their own home site, which in turn can also link to your site to reference the app stores... kinda a nice little network for them to utilise... a central information site like yours can be like an informative magazine... kinda like EDGE magazine which i think does pretty well to howcase information in 'need to know' chunks and they can utilise my offering to be a central point for them to interact with customers such as FAQ's etc and customer support point of call.

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Hi all, I see my name mentioned a couple of times here and Hodgey let me know there was some talk about ADG here.

I'll put my own 2c in just from my own perspective.

I think it's a shame if anyone decides they don't want to sell on AppUp or any other "App" store because it's not 'hardcore game' oriented as most people who have the money to spend on games are buying other types of 'Apps' all the time. Moreover I think it's a little short sighted to say that you don't want to sell an 'app' or to compete with people but you do want to make money. You can't advertise your game (which is an app like it or not) without competing with other games! Why not put your game next to the top titles in the same shop and see who's interested? I did and now I get a regular (if small) income from it. Who knows, with the right title it might make a real difference to my life.

As much as there is an appeal to selling our own games on our own sites there are a number of major drawbacks but one that stands out the most:
Traffic - Sites like AppUp get millions of people browsing every day. How much does your own or mine get?

What is the drawback of selling through an 'app store'?

Do you feel you've sold out by putting a game on an app store because of companies like Apple? I don't. I have eight games being regularly downloaded and several more on the way and I feel like I'm actually getting better and making money in the process! I can actually justify my hobby to anyone (including my wife fortunately) and be proud of my work. That's not something to be ashamed of.

Do I feel like I'm being taken advantage of? No, on the contrary I am taking advantage of the reputation and services of a widely renowned company to promote my own games. I loose none of the rights to publish my games elsewhere (for free if I want) and I set the price of my game. If someone buys it and decides it wasn't worth the money they can get a refund within 30 days. Nobody looses from crappy games being published except the developer.

I hope you can see I'm trying to show that publishing to 'app stores' is not a dirty secret or something to be ashamed of.

ADG was started to help people get published (on AppUp originally) and although it is a pain it is also a worthy experience. It gets simpler every time and we have put together guides and tools to make it easier. We aren't making any money out of helping you and we do it in our own time, if you want to get published then just come and join the group. Posting a message on the thread is all it takes!
ADG Thread

We have over 50 members now and nearly 30 published games (and a couple of 'apps') on AppUp and the Apple App Store.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 14:42
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@MrValentine, I may have misunderstood but I get the impression you are offering to host game sales from your site for ADG?

That being the case I don't think we are currently in a position to plan anything along those lines. Also in discussions on our own forums we have come to the consensus that we need to direct our own site's focus more toward a marketing 'image' which I don't think your site presents.

What I mean by this is that your site seems very much centred around your own various lines of business which are quite varied.

Perhaps if your site had more game / app related information it would be more directed to our intended audience. I hope that makes sense?

Sorry for the double post but sometimes edits get missed.

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MrValentine
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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 14:56
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@baxslash

No worries, yeah its a little confusing when i type... I do not always mean... here and now, more... 3-6 months from now... just makes it easier for me to explain in here and now as sometimes I find people grasp things in present tense better than future tense... if you get me...

Also umm the sites I speak of will not be placed on Akane Aya... more in sub-sites and also I will be using other domain names for the sites in question...

Regarding sales... thats something that is a time off from now... I am just offering people as mentioned before a WWW facing website for them to use as they wish [of course privided they dont overstep the obvious set of guidelines - do not infringe copyright etc]

Sales are completely in control of the individual developers as they can use the sites as they wish, using a back bone of either Wordpress, Drupal or Joomla.

ADG on the otherhand as said is a marketing tool, so it will always be there for them... eitherway both are optional for each and every individual hehe...

I too hope to make use of ADG when I get something made... hopefully will have something made come sometime around January... I have cancelled my trip to Tokyo in favor of my charity work in Thailand next summer, so I now have more time to myself to focus on other areas.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 15:04
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Quote: "No worries, yeah its a little confusing when i type... I do not always mean... here and now, more... 3-6 months from now... just makes it easier for me to explain in here and now as sometimes I find people grasp things in present tense better than future tense... if you get me...

Also umm the sites I speak of will not be placed on Akane Aya... more in sub-sites and also I will be using other domain names for the sites in question...

Regarding sales... thats something that is a time off from now... I am just offering people as mentioned before a WWW facing website for them to use as they wish [of course privided they dont overstep the obvious set of guidelines - do not infringe copyright etc]

Sales are completely in control of the individual developers as they can use the sites as they wish, using a back bone of either Wordpress, Drupal or Joomla."

I see, that makes sense to do it that way.

Quote: "ADG on the otherhand as said is a marketing tool, so it will always be there for them... eitherway both are optional for each and every individual hehe..."

The site is intended for self promotion (on behalf of the members of ADG) yes but there is also the intent that it can be used as a resource for members too (Media, Information and Code... hehe, everybody will be taking the MIC). That's the main reason I started the group.

Quote: "I too hope to make use of ADG when I get something made... hopefully will have something made come sometime around January... I have cancelled my trip to Tokyo in favor of my charity work in Thailand next summer, so I now have more time to myself to focus on other areas."

You'd be more than welcome! Any help we can provide will be gladly given

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 15:08
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Quote: "You'd be more than welcome! Any help we can provide will be gladly given"


Much Appreciated, thanks for your feedback as well, have you got any projects underway at the moment? I mean on ADG, also i can not remember if I registered on ADG yet ... I should probably check soon...

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Quote: "have you got any projects underway at the moment?"

I'm putting together some games for a charity bundle called "ADG Arcade" - HERE

And working on a few projects of my own... my main project is a RTS on AGK.

You're on the list for ADG so you're already a member from a few weeks ago I think?

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xplosys
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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 15:20
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Quote: "I want someone who will use PayPal or something and sell downloads to my games, and mail me a check. Someone who will manage sales and all the other money stuff for me so I can sit back and collect income."


As you've already noticed, most anyone who is willing to take on advertising, sales, delivery and support for your game is going to require full OS compatibility, many pictures and lot's of documentation/instructions, and an installer. Otherwise, they would be spending too much time supporting your game for you and not able to handle many titles.

Brian.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 15:24
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@baxslash yeah possibly I will check the site when I can, Nice work on the Charity project, Keep it up!!!

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old_School
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I think its great TGC offers a place for people to sell DB Pro apps but honestly I think its best to trust your sales to a publisher. If your software is good enough for a publishing company to pick it up, its good enough to make sales on a pro level. No offense to TGC but I don't think TGC has as much traffic or can bring in as many sales as a large publishing company. Every sale counts but I'd also recomend getting it published if you think the software is good enough to sale.
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Da_Rhyno
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Quote: "I think its great TGC offers a place for people to sell DB Pro apps but honestly I think its best to trust your sales to a publisher. If your software is good enough for a publishing company to pick it up, its good enough to make sales on a pro level. No offense to TGC but I don't think TGC has as much traffic or can bring in as many sales as a large publishing company. Every sale counts but I'd also recomend getting it published if you think the software is good enough to sale. "


Well, more often than not it takes money to even sell your concept to a publisher, which some people don't have all the money to buy the hype. That's the main reason I'm here.
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Advertising is not as important to me as exposure of the actual product. The more people visit the purchase page, the better. I'm waiting until you get a purchase system set up.
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@Fluffy Rabbit
ADG or me?

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@MrValentine-

You.
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MrValentine
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cool, as soon as I aquire an SSL certificate it should be in place shortly after it, the damn things are pricey >.<

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Da_Rhyno
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Who do you have to go through to get one?
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my host provider as some pretty good ones and they implement it for me, so will buy from them directly

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Ah, I see. Cool! I know I wouldn't buy from a site unless it was secured.

I was also thinking about this: Mailing a check would be too risky I feel anymore. Is there any way that we could wire any percentages of profit?
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MrValentine
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£250 a year
I have to get something called Wildcard SSL - to secure sub domains... oh well will be worth it I suppose...

I like PayPal, regardless of them taking % its no different from your bank taking a % either [specially business accounts]

The other option for UK based businesses is SAGEPAY but its a head ache to implement...

I will be getting a merchant account with PayPal soon anyway so shouldnt really worry too much about that I think.

As PayPal does not present your account details and is Email based, shouldnt be too much hassle just make a secure password across your email and PayPal account

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Oh okay, so I could use paypal to transmit to you... okay. Fair enough.
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not to worry

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Awesome. That's just what I had in mind- sell with PayPal, mail checks. Would it be possible to put in a download counter so we could see that we're getting a fair cut? Not that you're dishonest or anything.
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I have back end statistics ... I noticed the big FB doesnt even use SSL for its user logins...

Starting to think it might not even be neccessary...

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But does FB ever take credit card info?
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I figured if payments are PP handled, then there isnt much needed on the actual site really...

WOOO just noticed actually, ther may be a script on FB's website as well as another site I just checked that activates SSL during sign in... instead of actually the entire page... I need to do more research into this... anyway its now nearly 06:30am and i havent slept yet and need to be ready before 10:30 to go work... will try lying down for a bit

its amazing how much detail comes out from simply discussing something...

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@MrValentine-

Indeed it is. I hope you can succeed in getting this set up. It would save me from ending up like this homeless guy walking by.
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will look into it in coming 48 hours
meanwhile email me just to remind me

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Will do. Good night.
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Posted: 21st Oct 2011 14:15 Edited at: 21st Oct 2011 14:19
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A wildcard ssl cert probably isn't necessary.

You can only use one secure virtual domain per ip address on the same server machine.

There might be ways to use a single virtual domain but still have a ton of subdomains I guess. I'm not sure how off-hand, I'd have to look it up

But, if you have a need for a ton of subdomains all needing security, you have some other options. If it's just to secure login, you can route all logins to a single domain (like secure.mydomain.com) and use fancy coding and stuff to get the signin's to crossover to your other domains.

If you plan on having, say, a cart type thing and you want it all secured, you can instead forward subdomains to a normal www.domain.com/subname/ structure.

Now, if you want the green security bar in IE, that's where you need to spend the money


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MrValentine
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Thanks Jerico

I had the exact same thought... I figured what was the point of getting a wildcard SSL when actually a normal SSL would cover all folders www.domain .com{or}co.uk/ *folder* seemed rather daft to me as subdomains are essentialls in the *folder* section

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