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Sasuke
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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 07:33 Edited at: 7th Oct 2011 07:36


The Good
id Game at it's best, Corridors and all. None of this jump completely on the open world band wagon... minus the post apocalyptic band wagon. Seriously, the biggest complaint is id haven't gone out their comfort zone and have stuck to dank dark corridors. But what the hell is wrong with that? All games now days are completely open, there isn't another corridor shooter on the market nor has there been for awhile. id filled that gap beautifully. Ok it has some open stretches but that's only to get between locations in a four wheeled gun tooting death machine. There's also a minor share of RPG elements but most of the game your shooting an it feels GOOD! Animations are incredible, death one's the best I've seen. It also looks incredible in motion. Don't miss this one folks, it will be one to remember.

// Performance
Aside from the obvious technical issues, it shouldn't put you off from grabbing it, new driver are coming out over the course the week, AMD especially. The game runs fast, like really fast. I tested two cards and the lesser of the two ran it pretty well. I tested a 8800 GT 512 MB at 1920x1200 with 4 x Anti Aliasing and the thing still ran fast. Ok the game is locked to 60 FPS but still there wasn't any lag at all. The only notable thing between the two cards the other being Nvidia Palit GTX 580 was the texture pop ins were far more noticeable on the lower spec card.

The Bad
Obviously it's going to be the texture pop ins, which on lower spec systems will be a nightmare to the eyes. Though eventually you just get used to it, but does hinder the beauty of this game. But this is new tech, bugs will always be chucked into the mix. Let's hope they get squashed quickly.

Lack of video options is a joke, for a major PC release, for an id game is unbelievable. The FPS is lock to 60 FPS, so people with higher hertz monitors will be annoyed. No Vsync, no anything really but AA, brightness and resolution. You can thank consoles for this one guys.

Conclusion
I would rate this an 8 out of 10. Why? Well it's very noticeable that this game was designed console first. I don't know why both can't be done in mine, why one and port to the other. And because of that it looses a point straight away. Second point is technical issues. Why on earth would you release a major title without testing it with the full rage of current tech/drivers. I shouldn't pay £40 for a game my £300 GPU isn't compatible with and from a veteran (id software) in the PC world this is inexcusable (AMD card made the game pretty much unplayable). Other than that this is a great title.

I've already mentioned the good so I don't need to sell this game anymore. So let the discussion begin.
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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 21:08
looks cool looking forward to it


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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 21:13
Seems good, but I saw in some review that it would be up to 15-20 hours of gameplay for someone who explores every nook and cranny. That doesn't seem like enough time for $60, so I'll pass until it drops in price. Can't wait for a game that's actually worth my $60, SKYRIM!!!!

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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 21:22
I've been thinking about getting this game now after seeing that trailer I will for sure... I love post-apocalyptic games.

The good I see is you can drive vehicles. Traversing vast wastelands on foot was always annoying in Fallout... especially if it was your third, fourth, or fifth trip using that same route.

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Posted: 7th Oct 2011 22:15
i am thinkig of buying a bunch of the new games that are coming out in november, beat them and Skyrim will be best for last


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Posted: 8th Oct 2011 16:39
Quote: "Lack of video options is a joke, for a major PC release, for an id game is unbelievable. The FPS is lock to 60 FPS, so people with higher hertz monitors will be annoyed. No Vsync, no anything really but AA, brightness and resolution. You can thank consoles for this one guys."


I wonder how much of that is down to ZeniMax/Bethesda's influence?

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Posted: 8th Oct 2011 17:12
Iam installing it atm^^ hoping it doesnt over rate my computers specs >_> since my computer atm is rather.. semi-ok x) should handle it though..


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Posted: 8th Oct 2011 18:39
Quote: "I wonder how much of that is down to ZeniMax/Bethesda's influence?"


Actually I would say it's John Carmacks doing. Plus your not going to believe what he said the other day...

Carmack pissed about RAGE issues, but admits id doesn’t see PC as “leading” game platform
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Posted: 8th Oct 2011 18:57
Well, that settles it. I'm not getting Rage anymore.
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Posted: 8th Oct 2011 21:39
Quote: "Plus your not going to believe what he said the other day..."


Just read the article. To paraphrase/summarise what he said; "We no longer prioritise PC games, because PCs are too powerfull"!!

So, basically, consoles are prioritised because they're inferior to PCs lol

Cue PC vs Console flamewar!!

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Posted: 8th Oct 2011 22:57 Edited at: 9th Oct 2011 07:41
No, they prioritize consoles because the market is bigger. Saying it is because PCs are more powerful is seriously misunderstanding his position. And don't forget, not everyone has an uber gaming PC.
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Posted: 8th Oct 2011 23:13
Yeah, finally someone pointed that out Airslide.

What i hate about PC gaming (and game creation) is its total dependency from the operating system. While you can still play an Atari with having some problems connecting it to your television at max, you may have a hard time running a PC game which is only 10 years or less old, because Microsoft loves switching systems every 3 years.

With any human made things we practically cannot speak about art for eternity, but still you are much closer to that by working on console games than on PC ones.

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Posted: 8th Oct 2011 23:51
Quote: "Cue PC vs Console flamewar!!"


Heh heh heh, I must be psychic lol

Quote: "So, basically, consoles are prioritised because they're inferior to PCs lol"


It's funny how a playfull comment can get such predictably serious responses!!

People tend to get way too defensive about their chosen format. Consoles have pros and cons, just the same as PCs have pros and cons.

Personally I don't give a rat's behind wether a game is on a PC or a console, I use and enjoy both in equal measure...

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Posted: 9th Oct 2011 00:54 Edited at: 9th Oct 2011 02:13
What's so [mod edit]there's no need to swear on these forums, even if you star out one letter. 3 day noob slap[/mod edit] lol, is that only two messages have been made since your line, and none of them were about to-the-death 'PC vs. Consoles' at all.

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Posted: 9th Oct 2011 01:13
Quel, i'd suggest you remove your swearing from your last comment, you are not allowed to curse even if you * it...


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Posted: 9th Oct 2011 07:43
It didn't sound playful at all, it sounded like you misunderstood his position at best or were trolling at worst.
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Posted: 9th Oct 2011 15:23
So exclamation marks and an lol don't indicate a playfull comment?

I guess you and I have different definitions of what constitutes a playfull comment then...

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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 07:37
I wouldn't buy rage if I were you. I bought it on the pc it was plagued by various graphical issues and its campaign is incredibly short. Buy fallout if you want a fpsrpg.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 07:53
Of course... I don't know how to feel about this, if I should resent his statements or not.
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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 08:38
Quote: "Buy fallout if you want a fpsrpg"


but RAGE isnt an fpsrpg...


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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 09:36
What is it then? Is it just a fps with crafting, inventory... etc?

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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 09:41
From what I read it's a racing game with FPS elements, which sounds pretty bizarre to me.



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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 09:47
More of a fps game with racing elements.

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Quote: "From what I read it's a racing game with FPS elements, which sounds pretty bizarre to me."



other way around mate...
Quote: "What is it then? Is it just a fps with crafting, inventory... etc?"



so, because you can craft and have an inventory its an RPG? oh my... Would bioshock also be an RPG? since you have "spells" that you can upgrade, you have an "inventory" etc? oh please..


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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 19:55 Edited at: 13th Oct 2011 19:59
Quote: ""What is it then? Is it just a fps with crafting, inventory... etc?""


I didn't mean to argue that it was a rpg. Just wondering what it would be classified as considering it has crafting, inventory... etc.

Anyway whatever kind of game it is its not worth the money, so if you want a game like it buy fallout.

Quote: "There's also a minor share of RPG elements
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It is not a bad game, just not worth it

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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 20:01
Quote: "so if you want a game like it buy fallout."


Fallout is not at all like RAGE: more like bioshock mixed with the style of RAGE


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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 20:45
How is fallout like boishock?

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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 22:24
Rage is basically an FPS RPG Racer. Been playing it for the past few days since it came out. It's epic.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 23:15
It is epic but disappointing.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2011 23:18
Quote: "It is epic but disappointing."


Why is it? (that hasn't got anything to do with technical issues)
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Quote: "How is fallout like boishock?"


just the way you pick up stuff from dead enemies came to mind: its noting like fallout atleast, except for the style.


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Posted: 14th Oct 2011 09:04
@sasuke
It just ends, plus its way to short.

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Posted: 15th Oct 2011 18:38 Edited at: 15th Oct 2011 18:42
I have a lot of admiration for John Carmack, but it's like there are two John Carmack's these days. Right underneath the article presented is a link to John stating how the game would be better on PC, and why the PC is the future of gaming. Some of the statements directly contradicting the mentioned article. I'm confused.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/08/e3-2011-why-rage-will-run-better-on-pc/

[edit]: Ok I think I see what he was saying. And the keyword is "SHOULD". Seems Carmack believes that games "should" be developed on PC and then ported to consoles,, but the economics of the industry prevents what he would prefer.

Quote: "
“we should be focusing on building things efficiently on the PC and deploying on the consoles.”

“There’s several developers that if you said ‘Go for it’ on here we would make vastly better looking stuff if we really made that our focus.”

So what’s stopping that from happening? Carmack says that there are a few barriers to PC development, but the main one is cold hard economics.
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Posted: 16th Oct 2011 03:54
This game looks reallllly good using the beta Nvidia drivers, and then turning the texture cache up to high. This might be the prettiest post-apocalyptic game I've ever seen. The terrain just stretches out for miles, and the engine is really snappy and quick. If they use this engine for the next Fallout then I'll be really happy


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Quote: "If they use this engine for the next Fallout"


If i know bethesda right it most likely wont happen x) Bethesda has a tendency to use the same engine for wayyy to long: and for all their games /they used oblivion engine until recently, for oblivion AND fallout, for example\
they are most likely to use the skyrim engine for fallout aswell, but hey! i might be wrong


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Posted: 16th Oct 2011 12:20
The Oblivion engine is actually Gamebryo; or at least the graphics engine.


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Posted: 17th Oct 2011 00:37
You forgot one good point:
A Perfect Circle's music in one of the trailers (don't remember which, but it had "Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rythm of the War Drums")

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Metal Devil123 I love your choice of signature and avatar ! I only listen to Weird Al music. I've been a close personal friend of Al for at least 20 years (that's the way he describes his fans).

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Quote: "A Perfect Circle's music in one of the trailers (don't remember which, but it had "Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rythm of the War Drums")"


<3 that song =P


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Posted: 18th Oct 2011 13:54
Hi,
Well I bought and played it on PS3 as you have to tweak PC specs quite a bit to get it going well.

BAD STUFF: I am about 8 hours into the single players campaign and to be honest not that impressed. The story is awful the driving buggies feels like an afterthought to get the player from one part of the wasteland to another rather than walk it.

It does feel in many places like DOOM 3 crossed with Fallout 3, the wasteland is not very engaging and the central hub to the other settlements.

You also feel after about 3 hours like an errand boy, going to this place to do this thing for this person, then get back to the person who then gives you money and then onto the next 'HELP THE NPC OUT' gameplay.


The tight corridor shooting and dark atmosphere ID are famous for never really comes through apart from some short bursts.

There is no NIGHT and DAY in the game and no real world weather effects also, a small bit of dust blowing up but thats all...nothing like RED DEAD REDEMPTION for example.


GOOD-STUFF: The game looks amazing (apart from texture pop in) from the scenery to the weapons to the enemies and NPC's.
The sound is good and everything is solid.

SUMMARY:
To me this is the start of IDTECH 5 and a showcase /tech demo of what can be done with it. Carmack has done a sterling job on this version of the tech but strip all this gloss away and as a game RAGE is average at best.
If you want a superb new game (not FPS) with great visuals, great gameplay and 'one more go' feeling then get DARK SOULS.
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Posted: 18th Oct 2011 14:46
so you are recommending Dark souls instead of this, even though theyre two >completly< different games? I dont get that... might aswell recommend Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword..


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Posted: 18th Oct 2011 15:04
No not comparing just stating that these two titles came out on the same day -UK and Dark Souls is the better of the two for value for money, game enjoyment etc

RAGE will be bargain bucket in 3 months time IMHO
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Posted: 18th Oct 2011 17:07
but its still nothing that the general shooter fantast will be all over, hence it doesnt make sense to me.. oh well x)


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Quote: "<3 that song =P"

I know, it blew my mind when I heard it in the trailer... I was like "It sounds familiar... can it be? Can it!? IT IS!" and then


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Good: This is an actual shooter the way they should be. Remember back in the days where shooters got so intense at times you just had to take a break for a moment? Well, RAGE solves that with in-game things, like racing, travel or visiting cities. The core, however, is shooting stuff and that just works in RAGE.

Also good: Autosave? Heck no, you learn to save your own game, will you? Checkpoints? Man, don't make me laugh.

Good too: First vehicle combat in an FPS game that's actually awesome.

Also noteworthy: The coop-missions are great.

Great: The intro plus first 5 minutes of gameplay.

Bad: People don't remember that shooters should be about shooting with no leveling system, perks and 200 hours of campaign telling the epic story of emotional men without necks with daddy issues.

Conclusion: get this. If you don't want to spend $60, wait a while, then get it.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2011 06:23
Quote: ""A Perfect Circle's music in one of the trailers (don't remember which, but it had "Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rythm of the War Drums")"

<3 that song =P"


Its "Pet" from the "13th step" Album.



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Quote: "Bad: People don't remember that shooters should be about shooting with no leveling system, perks and 200 hours of campaign telling the epic story of emotional men without necks with daddy issues."


to ME thats a good thing: I like to level up and such as that is a good sign that youve made process in the game, atleast it is too me


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Posted: 24th Oct 2011 13:52 Edited at: 24th Oct 2011 13:54
Aye, in an RPFPS or just a regular RPG and I love it in a game - I'm a sucker for RPGs. But I must admit, I do love an FPS that cares about none of that stuff, but does everything for the sake of making you crap yourself with totally awesome, yet intense action then I'm sold. But of course it has to be challenging AND importantly offer hours of gameplay.

Quake was my first FPS and it was amazing, so I might be tempted to nab this, it sounds like it remains true to id stuff, but the only thing is, I didn't like Doom 3 - it got too samey and it tried to do plot and not even that was good enough to keep me interested. However, reading people's reactions, it sounds like an FPS that needs to sit on my shelf, after all, I do play some FPS games just for the sake of shooting stuff.

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