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Hodgey
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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 03:28
How did I miss that?!

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 05:51
Swearing will never be an allowed form of communication (or miscommunication) here. As someone mentioned; it shows a lack of an ability to communicate in an effective (and intelligent/articulate/mature) manner. In everyday life; things sometimes slip out (a profane word here or there). However, on a forum; nothing is said without hitting that little "Post Message" button. Therefore you have the time (and opportunity) to create a post that brings across your point, without using any vulgarities.

Believe it or not; many people DO find swearing offensive. This Forum is for all ages, races, religious beliefs (not an invite to break AUP on religious discourse), etc. I know I don't want my kids learning a profane word on a Forum (sure; they'll see it in other places on the net, but why help it along?) that I thought I could trust. By the way; TGC Boards isn't the only one with this policy.

I've found that cursing also diminishes my vocabulary over time (that coupled with a lack of good old fashioned book/novel reading). Do I swear? Absolutely; many years in the Army and working in a prison will have that effect on you. Do I swear at home? No.

If some of you are having a hard time conveying a thought without the use of a profane word...maybe it's time to pick up a dictionary or a thesaurus.

-Keith

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 09:39
On a more serious note (and btw, @Sep go bum yourself!), I agree with Keith that swearing reduces your vocabulary. There was a stage where I swore far too much and during that time, I couldn't come up with any really good insults. ... and that's exactly why I was swearing a lot.

You need to remain articulate, so you can can win the battle of verbal confrontation. Alternatively you have to learn breakdancing, which is way too much effort.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 09:43
Quote: "Alternatively you have to learn breakdancing, which is way too much effort."


ahahahahahaha LOVE IT NICE ONE FALLOUT!!!

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 09:57
Well, rather than using mother *insert verbal adjective here for doing something inappropriate with a woman in public*, we could be like Old Gregg, use "Motha Licka".
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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 11:32 Edited at: 10th Oct 2011 12:11
Quote: "Alternatively you have to learn breakdancing, which is way too much effort."


Best thing that I've read in a long time. I will remember it forever!


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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 12:12
I merely curse to enhance an expression/sentence etc, at times: or in cases of jokes etc: In a regular conversation/discussion i ususally dont curse too much


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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 12:14
Quik, dont shoeing lie, you shoe all the time >.< [ahaha]

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 12:20
course i do!
Wish i could get used to saying shoes in real life aswell..


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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 12:22
hehe, I have actually borderlined my usage at present... however I never use them in front of clients... thats a major nono unless genuinely expressing something... though you would have to be on a personal basis with the client than business basis... if you follow what I mean.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 12:32
My thread is growing, my master plan is WORKING!

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 13:10
lol +1

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 13:35
Something unexpected has happened.

I've just returned from holiday, stumbled across this thread, and find myself agreeing with KeithC.

I'm one of those that finds the casual use of profanities very offensive - especially on TV or in films. Why ruin a good story or joke by offending people unnecessarily?
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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 14:13
I dont see how most curses can be offensive to anything but religious people

offcourse i CAN see how racist words can be taken offensively (although i do think that the whole racist word stuff is extremely kinky, but letus not venture further into there)

I don't see anything wrong with comedians using "offensive profanities", since if you cannot laugh at such things, then i do think you are watching the wrong show. Same with say action movies and such: I generarily dont mind it, and it is actially not as much as people make it to be: "" OMG ALL THEYRE SAYING IS SHOE THIS AND SHOE THAT!!""

wait, i have heard maybe 3-4 curses this whole movie so far?

its just silly in my opinion..


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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 14:24 Edited at: 10th Oct 2011 14:33
I think profanities are there to have an effect and are meant to offend. If you're going to call somebody an effing 'c' then you best well mean what you've said. When it comes to writing, I will use profanities tactfully, a character might be the sort of person to swear and I'd see no reason to self-censor my work, let the character be who they are regardless of how offensive they may be (I'm sure Matt Stone and Trey Parker would say the same thing about the character of Eric Cartman). Though at the moment I don't have any character like that, but I do have some who swear but with good reason. I think I've got a whole paragraph lined with profanities to express how angry somebody is - whilst yes there's ways of doing it without the use of profanities (as I might if I were writing teen fiction) but I felt it right to let the character express her mind exactly as she would do it.

Alas, people love to corrupt language and we relish in our corruption of language. These words that are meant to offend can be used affectionately to the people you love the most. I could happily call a close friend the 'c' word and mean it in the kindest of ways. Because our use of language is incredibly figurative and using the 'c' word is ironic, what I'm actually saying is, "dude you are totally freaking awesome!".

My humour is similar, a lot of the time it's parody, but I rarely show that side of my humour here because it is very easy to misinterpret and therefore offend. I parody anything that I consider hilariously ridiculous, which includes racism. So when I see an offensive joke I try to understand the joke first before I decide whether or not I find it offensive. Watch an episode of South Park and decide whether they're being offensive or if they're just parodying something that's incredibly racist, for example the episode where rich people are afraid of ghosts.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 14:26
Quote: "ahahahahahaha LOVE IT NICE ONE FALLOUT!!!"

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bwahaha. Well I do try, you big bum faces!

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Perhaps now is the time to invent our own language of profanity? So far we have shoe and bum. I propose the addition of Gonard, McFly, and Chum.

Nobody says chum anymore, therefore I think we can happily consider it offensive. If it's so taboo that nobody says it, it must be the rudest word in the world (after bum).

Also, Gonard doesn't exist in the dictionary anywhere, though Brits at least can all relate to the unpleasantness of a boot into the old gonards. Clearly it is too fearsome to grace the dictionary, for fear it may set ablaze it's pages.

And finally, McFly. Not only is it an atrocious band, but whenever it is uttered in Back to the Future movies, it is always said offensively by Biff, coupled with a knuckle wrap to McFly's head and a "HELLO!!! MCFLY!!". So clearly, it is a horrific insult we should all use sparingly.

They're my nominations!

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 15:04 Edited at: 10th Oct 2011 15:07
I'm going to nominate FATBALL. Not only does it sound like it should be offensive, especially to a ball, but it's on your banner which would make it a cuss banner and therefore, by our current thinking, an even cooler, more "in-you-face" banner than it already is. By the way, how many comma's are allowed in a single sentence?

Brian.

EDIT: Also, the current word "subpoena" should now be a cuss word.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 15:29
Quote: "By the way, how many comma's are allowed in a single sentence?"


17, the council of elders decided this last week.


South Park made 'Barbara Streisand' into a swear word, however, given that track that just says 'Barbara Streisand' in the middle is legally played on the radio without OFCOM having a hissy fit or requesting it be censored, it would seem its usage has prevented it from being a swear. Atrocious, I know!

I propose it be replaced with Piers Morgan. Yes, Piers Morgan would be most appropriate. The mere utterance of the word leaves a distaste on the tongue, like any TRUE swear word does and it causes those unfortunate souls to hear those syllables beat their helpless eardrums are left to flinch in disgust. In fact, I'm gonna call OFCOM and inform them of how offensive the term 'Piers Morgan' really is and have it censored and for it to be only used in specialist circumstances.



On a related note, Lee Bamber, as a massive Megadeth fan might not like this but my brother uses 'Dave Mustaine' as an insult.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 15:34
Quote: "'Piers Morgan' "


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! That would mean more censorship on the best show on earth [aside from charity shows] Top Gear... The Clarkson uses it often... I believe.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 15:48 Edited at: 10th Oct 2011 15:49
Quote: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! That would mean more censorship on the best show on earth [aside from charity shows] Top Gear... The Clarkson uses it often... I believe."


Don't worry, I've accounted for that:

Quote: "for it to be only used in specialist circumstances."


Clarkson uses Piers Morgan in the specialist sense. He punched Piers Morgan, so he's definitely qualified to use the word.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 15:51
o then I am happy

also want to add, I often use foreign languages when in public lol, gotta love having learnt japanese and Chinese... I cant wait to learn some bad Korean words ... Yeah I am currently looking into learning more Korean at the moment.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 16:44
Quote: "also want to add, I often use foreign languages when in public lol"


I often slip into German and whatever I remember of Japanese. In my mind it's a great way to keep your language skills up-to-scratch and it's good when you're learning too. People think you're a freak, but I came to terms with that a LOOOOOOOOONG time ago.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 16:48 Edited at: 10th Oct 2011 16:58
high five Seppuku,

everybody jump over to @DragonJones on twitter >.< He said it not me ahahahahaha

heres a link to the post

http://twitter.com/#!/dragonjones

looks like I cant link to the actual post but anyway just scroll down a bit and you will see it >.<

EDIT

Just in case this thread post is being viewed a light year from now heres what I was referring to at the time.



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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 17:23
I think I pretty much stopped cursing alot in general conversations after my first child learned how to speak several years back. As you get older, you find better ways to express your anger and frustartions. You also tend to want to set a better example for others, so cursing is not something you typically do. I notice my ex still swears alot but I dont think she cares about settng good examples.
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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 17:33
lol old_School, you are officially the 'Mr Mysterious' title holder in this thread

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 18:25 Edited at: 10th Oct 2011 18:26
Quote: "I dont see how most curses can be offensive to anything but religious people

offcourse i CAN see how racist words can be taken offensively (although i do think that the whole racist word stuff is extremely kinky, but letus not venture further into there)

I don't see anything wrong with comedians using "offensive profanities", since if you cannot laugh at such things, then i do think you are watching the wrong show. Same with say action movies and such: I generarily dont mind it, and it is actially not as much as people make it to be: "" OMG ALL THEYRE SAYING IS SHOE THIS AND SHOE THAT!!""

wait, i have heard maybe 3-4 curses this whole movie so far?

its just silly in my opinion.."


I look at it this way. If there is a heaven (who knows?), then you couldn't offend people there. So swearing is no go. So people who swear might not be allowed in. I treat Earth as a game, I want to get the highest score possible. So I don't swear. But I'm not religious either. It's just that Heaven makes sense even without religion.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 19:21
Pincho..... I'll have to disagree with you. Religion is what made heaven, believing that you go to heaven is religion.
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Just saying

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 19:29 Edited at: 10th Oct 2011 19:31
Quote: "Pincho..... I'll have to disagree with you. Religion is what made heaven, believing that you go to heaven is religion. "


Religion made Heaven, but man made religion, so man made Heaven. That's how I see it. So my religion is to believe in mankind, which isn't religion, unless you think it is.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 19:53
Listen to Mr. Valentine....just saying....

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 20:35
What if the game of life is Duke Nukem? Profanity would certainly give me points on the high score.

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 23:11
Sorry for the late reply, but guyz, whuts with all the bumming?
Personally, I doubt ever have sworn on these forums. Mainly because I'd rather talk about funny stuff than argue about silly things. And, also because there are rules on these forums.
If you disagree on something, or have other opinions than someone, there's always another way to make people know your point of view without swearing or insulting.
Not that I don't use swearwords in real life, but rarely to insult someone.
I've always been a funny guy who likes to laugh a lot, but not to make fun of people.

Cheers

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Posted: 10th Oct 2011 23:47
I've only skimmed the thread so sorry if I have overlooked something important something posted but this is my opinion on the topic:

I've been slapped before for not cursing really but almost cursing, (using stars or risque context) and I'm young. I think it's fine for people to use minor words, but I understand their point. I was 9 or so when my brother Shadowtroid joined, and I read the posts. I joined years after that, but my point is when my parents kept monitoring everything I did on the internet back then (they don't anymore) they were glad to see this was a peaceful community where people discussed things my brother and I related to in a civilized way.

I would like to think I can provide the same service to other minors.

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Posted: 11th Oct 2011 00:34
I swear a lot

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Posted: 11th Oct 2011 09:58
Once again, Cormorant brings up a good point from his own perspective!
2 points!


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@Cormorant5

Many, many, many years later! Do you mean days?

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Points. :3

And it wasn't many many years later, but it was over a year, and in a time period where I was quickly maturing and becoming more tech savvy.

I already liked Batman though.

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Batman Arkham city or whatever looks rather brilliant: first time iam confessing batman being cool... x)

buuut thats a bit offtopic x)


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Posted: 11th Oct 2011 23:15
Oh Cormorant. You're lucky that you managed to outgrow the parental moderation. Nowdays Quik would have "dropped a shoe bomb" and you'd be kicked right off these forums in a blink of an eye.

(Visual aid for the lacking)


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Posted: 12th Oct 2011 00:16
Quote: "More than half of the software sold by TGC is 18+, Most of the FPSC model packs are 18+, sure a lot more stuff is 18+ around here. So my question is, why are so many posts edited by Mods because they contain Profanity? Should the forums not have a 13+ restricted sign up?"


It seems most people don't understand the concept of such restrictions. Rules don't exist for minors to follow and then, as soon as they become adults, promptly throw them out the window. The rules are there so that when said minors become adults, they won't need anyone to tell them how to act. So you're right, if this were an 18+ forum, there shouldn't need to be rules. But not because adults are "old enough" to swear.

I love how people are like, "Don't say that! There's children around." I would suggest a revision: "Don't say that! There's people around."

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Posted: 12th Oct 2011 00:44
Quote: ""Don't say that! There's people around.""


"wont someone PLEASE think of the children?!"

Sometimes I like to use words out of contents
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Quote: ""wont someone PLEASE think of the children?!""

+1

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I love how everyone treats children like some sort of angelic beings, yet every eight year old I've walked past calls me names I can't say due to the actual purpose behind this thread itself.

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@CoffeeGrunt

I hope you figure out why I am laughing so hard.......

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Quote: "every eight year old I've walked past calls me names I can't say"


What do you think is causing that?

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Naughty forums?

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Chavvy parents young enough that they go to the same school as their kids?

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You made my day

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Posted: 12th Oct 2011 01:42 Edited at: 12th Oct 2011 01:49
Quote: "I love how everyone treats children like some sort of angelic beings, yet every eight year old I've walked past calls me names I can't say due to the actual purpose behind this thread itself."



Aye, so very true. But, I think what people are considering more is their parents, their parents' wishes and not being responsible for encouraging or further corrupting their kids. Though at the same time, there's people who are just genuinely offended by swearing, so it's not just the kids. Some kids were genuine about their lack of swearing, you know, the "I'm telling your mum on you!" type.

Kids just avoid swearing in front of their parents, but since my late teens my parents haven't been bothered by the fact I swear like a sailor and the fact I've never been in the navy.

However, I think there's an interesting contrast in attitudes to swearing in kids when I was growing up.

In year 7 I was almost given detention because I used the word 'crap' in a sentence when talking to my brother on the playground, a teacher just so happened to be walking behind. In year 8 one of the trouble-maker kids tried the whole, "lets eff and blind at the teacher" routine followed by insults and got suspended and had to change tutor groups, when I reached 6th form at school, it was normal for a lot of kids to repeat said routine, but without discipline, instead teachers just reasoned with them.

The respect teachers demanded from when I started and finished had plummeted. Saying that, since they got a new headmistress apparently behaviour has greatly improved, but still it was just weird being in sixth form seeing kids use very colourful language to the teachers. Sure we did the same, but sixth form is where teachers treat you like adults, even to the degree where they'll happily buy alcohol for you even though you're underraged and then throw a party...as irresponsible, illegal and tabloid headline worthy as that may be, it was an awesome party.

Quote: "Chavvy parents young enough that they go to the same school as their kids?"


Funny and perhaps I'd crown you a god among men for such a fair and accurate statement. Reminds me of a newspaper article I read, "Country's Youngest Grandfather, aged 29". I understand people do foolish things when they're, but it seems too common amongst the chavs and that pretty much spells it out. And add the banner my friend saw walking past somebody's house that read, "Happy 30th Birthday Grandma" to the picture.


[Edit]
I realise that on one hand I'm celebrating underraged drinking and on the other am seemingly condemning underraged pregnancy, it would seem a tad bit strange. I think any vice is allright so long as the party members are responsible and that's not always defined by age, though legally it may be. I wouldn't encourage anybody to do either, but understand that people do it and if they're gonna have sex or get drunk underraged that they do it responsibly.

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Posted: 12th Oct 2011 05:18
Quote: "I love how everyone treats children like some sort of angelic beings, yet every eight year old I've walked past calls me names I can't say due to the actual purpose behind this thread itself."


Sounds like you live in a right bumhole of a place.





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