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Posted: 29th Oct 2011 22:43 Edited at: 29th Oct 2011 22:44
Ah the 90s.... The time of the old DarkBASIC website when gimme da codes reigned, when stars like Bob Saget were at their prime, when people still used Windows 95 and floppy disks, and when most games were 2D and had to do any 3D operations on the CPU. Sadly I feel the 90s were underrated.

What do you remember the 90s most for?

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Posted: 29th Oct 2011 23:08 Edited at: 29th Oct 2011 23:47
I was born in '90, it's the oldest decade I know, and only now am I getting to that age when I'm starting to feel nostalgic about it. I also think culture has so gradually changed since then, that looking back, the 90s had a style all of their own. And I miss it!

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Wow the 90's... I was more than old enough then having headaches because my brother would constantly listen to that awful rave music. I don't mind most of the music now, but at the time I couldn't stand it. (Me's born in the early 70's)

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 00:17 Edited at: 30th Oct 2011 00:17
the nineties sucked

sorry, it did. and now steps are back, so thats just about the end of it for me


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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 01:37
When I look back at ye olde times, all I can think is this:

50s: Great times!
60s: Great times!
70s: Great times!
80s: Great times!
90s: Neon decade of suck.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 01:51
I'm trying to think of aspects of the 90s that I like...

Music...? Nope.
Movies...? Eh.
Games...? A couple.
People...? Contemptible.

The noughties are just the tech-oriented improvement of the 90s. Same stuff, just all of it massively improved.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 01:55 Edited at: 30th Oct 2011 01:58
Quote: "the nineties sucked

sorry, it did. and now steps are back, so thats just about the end of it for me "

Quote: "90s: Neon decade of suck."


Could you explain exactly what you hated about it?

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 01:04
Quote: "Could you explain exactly what you hated about it?"

Errrr.... Which part?

There's tons of the 90's we all hated, unless you were a teenager during that period.

I really hope that there are some from that period woke up and tasted a "real" world. (Not going into subjects here because I'd get barred from the forums)

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 01:14
Well I suppose I was coming from the technology/gaming perspective. Please try to stay away from political debate everybody, that will get this thread locked. Guess I forgot to anticipate that.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 01:50
Beavis and Butthead.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 01:51
Quote: "Music...? Nope."


WHAT????


Nirvana, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Live, Counting Crows, Creed, Goo Goo Dolls, Third Eye Blind, Green Day, The Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, Stone Temple Pilots, and Pearl Jam.

To name but a few, from a genre I like. I could name many, many more incredible artists from the 90s. What do people listen to now that is better than any of those artists? Many of which are still going strong today.

Sure there are artists from the 70s and 80s that I like but music in the 90s was particularly good. How could people think it isn't?

Quote: "Games...? A couple."


Um Genesis, SNES, the original Playstation and the N64... You're seriously telling me those systems only had a couple of games that were worth playing. Some of the games from the N64 alone are still lauded as the greatest games made ever.

Quote: "There's tons of the 90's we all hated, unless you were a teenager during that period.

I really hope that there are some from that period woke up and tasted a "real" world."


I, too, was born in the 70s and I much preferred the 90s to the 80s and the noughties. I'm not sure what this 'real' world you speak of is, but I'd rather not live there

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 02:25 Edited at: 30th Oct 2011 02:27
Born in 1989, so I only lived for only a few months in the 80's, but lived through the entirety of the 90's.

Music: Aside from the mainstream pop music, it was great, though I didn't get to appreciate it until I was older. However, I was introduced to Metallica when I was 9 or 10 (though I do realise they were formed in the 80's, but they were still going, but then...they still are )

TV: Kids' TV was the best. Admittedly, some of my favourites like Danger Mouse were actually from the 80's but still showed in the 90's (think they stopped making them early 90's). The early noughties had some great kids' TV too though.

Games: Had a Sega Mega Drive, an Amiga 500+ and a Playstation...all carry some very classic games right there. Monkey Island, Desert Strike, Lotus Challenge, Gunship 2000, Sonic the Hedgehog, Pushover, Shinobi, Columns, Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, Final Fantasy VII, VIII and IX, Gran Turismo, Coolboarders, Crash Bandicoot, Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider...all very awesome games for those systems.

In terms of memories, the 90's had a lot of great ones, but then it's my childhood, so if I didn't have great memories it wouldn't be have been a great childhood.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 02:32 Edited at: 30th Oct 2011 02:38
@Thraxas you must be a mad person then!!!

Fair enough,
Quote: "Nirvana, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Live, Counting Crows, Creed, Goo Goo Dolls, Third Eye Blind, Green Day, The Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, Stone Temple Pilots, and Pearl Jam."

but the rest of what you said, is , oh no... you're not a real 70's born person.... You must be "CRAZY!"...

I much prefer the 80's to the 90's. It sill gives me a headache...

BACK TO NORMAL: (honest, ahem)...

90's ... Boom, boom, boom music.
90's ... Recording music onto a cassette tape off the radio.
90's ... Really enjoying my brand new catapult... (a few days later, caught by the police, darn)
90's ... Okay fair enough, computer games became more exciting!!!

^ Computer games were getting better then!!!

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 03:19
i was a kid in the 90s but i am already nostalgic. I wish i could go back and relive the 90s as i am right now.


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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 04:30 Edited at: 30th Oct 2011 04:31
I was born in 93, so my memories of the 90s are those of my early childhood. I'd say I had a good childhood, though that's more due to my parents being really good than anything about the 90s. Looking back on it, I'd have to say that nothing much has changed culturally since then.

Quote: "I'm trying to think of aspects of the 90s that I like...

Music...? Nope.
Movies...? Eh.
Games...? A couple.
People...? Contemptible."


I'll agree that the music was crap. 80s metal was way better. I'll also agree that there were far fewer good movies than the preceding decades (though there were some good ones). People have always been and will always be contemptible. Games? Well, the 90s was when games first started to be more than simplistic arcadey games. Though I do have to say that far more progress was made with games in the 00s than the 90s.

I don't really feel nostalgia for any decade that I've actually been alive in. If I had lived through the 80s, I would definately feel nostalgia. There were far more classic science fiction, action, and horror movies made in that decade than any other. And 80s metal is just plain awesome.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 11:07
Amstrad, Nes, Genesis, Megadrive, Snes, PS1, N64, Tiny PC.

Oh and school xD

The Tiny PC we had, I kind of took over and started upgrading, must have been the first computer I ever worked on and made better.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 11:39
I don't think it's anything to do with the decade. It's all to do with how old you were during the decade. We all start off wide-eyed and excitable and we all end up cynical and jaded. It's all down to when you were born and how quickly you degraded into an old shoe bum as to weather the 90s sucked or not.

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Erm, i was born in the 90s, that's all i remember, except i was little when the new century rolled around and remember thinking, "Am i gonna die?"

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@Thraxas

If I remove my nostalgia for older games, the newer are better. It's a flawed perspective otherwise.

I.e., HL2 is better than HL1. Don't get me wrong, HL1 blew my mind, it was amazing. But HL2 raised the bar. I'm not just talking about graphics, but gameplay, new fresh ideas for narratives.

It's all too easy to talk about games getting worse, but let's be honest, our run-of-the-mill is CoD. It's still better than the run-of-the-mill in the 90s.

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For me, the 90s mean 1 thing: Good pokemon episodes. Damn I miss those
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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 15:53
^^^^^^ +1 Pokemon defined my childhood, and pogs.

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Oh yes, Pokemon that was actually good...

Wait, that reminds me, one thing that was amazing about the 90s! Cartoons!

Powerpuff Girls, Dexter's Lab, Edd Ed 'n' Eddy, original Tom and Jerry, Looney Tunes, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Cow and Chicken, I Am Weasel.

I can't find these cartoons on any kids channels nowadays, just trash like Ben Ten.

It's bad that in my opinion the two cartoons that could live up to Cartoon Network's old reputation nowadays are Spongebob and My Little Pony.

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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 16:35 Edited at: 30th Oct 2011 16:36
Quote: "Powerpuff Girls, Dexter's Lab, Edd Ed 'n' Eddy, original Tom and Jerry, Looney Tunes, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Cow and Chicken, I Am Weasel.

I can't find these cartoons on any kids channels nowadays, just trash like Ben Ten."


And don't forget...

Animanics! And a lot of other things. But yes, those shows ruled and I am glad they blended into the noughties, but as you rightly say, they're not on anymore. Spongebob I think came out late 90's and at least that still lives. And yes, I still watch it, even the new episodes.

Talking of Animaniacs, this cracked me up:
http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/nostalgia-critic/34-nostalgia-critic/221-the-top-moments-in-animaniacs

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Animaniacs!

As if it got banned.

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The cartoons were really good, they had actual meaning and feeling to them. I mean, the scene that marked me when I was a kid was when ash was in that ice cave with all his pokemon around him and he simply started crying, there was actual emotion in the series.

Damn I miss those shows
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Cartoons in those days were for entertainment. Nowadays, they're there to sell merchandise.

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Quote: "Cartoons in those days were for entertainment. Nowadays, they're there to sell merchandise."


As cynical as that immediately appears, I can't help feeling it's actually true.

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One word 'Pokemon', Want a reason to love the 90s? that is it.
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Quote: "As cynical as that immediately appears, I can't help feeling it's actually true."


I felt the same just after posting it. I never saw Powerpuff Girls or Animaniacs toys, but Ben Ten and such pour them out by the bucketload.

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Damn I wish I could relive the excitement everyone shared with pokemon cards... Pokemon was a huge factor in my childhood.

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Trading cards, you don't see them so much nowadays either...

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Quote: "Powerpuff Girls, Dexter's Lab, Edd Ed 'n' Eddy, original Tom and Jerry, Looney Tunes, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Cow and Chicken, I Am Weasel."

Well, seems like you missed another pretty good one: The Angry Beavers.
Or am I the only one that actually enjoyed that series?

South Park aired 1997 as well and that's definitely a hell-of-a-cartoon, if I may say so.

However, the major selling point of the 90's, for me, are Pokemon, Super Mario 64, Tekken and Final Fantasy 7, well, the release of PS1 and N64 altogether.

Quote: "Cartoons in those days were for entertainment. Nowadays, they're there to sell merchandise."

Well, have another look on the Pokèmon merchandise then (reminds me of that one South Park episode...).

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Exept that the pokemon merchandise back than was extra, you had the entertaining series, and if you wanted you could collect cards or FLIPPOS, anybody remember those they were so damn awesome.
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Posted: 30th Oct 2011 23:21
Quote: "If I remove my nostalgia for older games, the newer are better. It's a flawed perspective otherwise."


I never said newer games weren't better. But it's also a flawed perspective to think they wouldn't be. That's like me saying in 2031 that the games are better than they were in 2011.

Saying that the games in the 90s were not that great by comparing them to games made now makes no sense. Pong was a rubbish game because 20 years later better games were being made? It doesn't work like that.

The 90s were incredible for gaming. Zelda: Ocarina of Time, which some still regard as the greatest game ever was released in the 90s. Also Goldeneye 64 , Speedball 2, Sonic the Hedgehog, Doom, Lemmings, Warcraft 2, Day of the Tentacle, Quake, Command & Conquer, Sam and Max Hit the Road, System Shock, Virtua Fighter, Street Fighter 2, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil 2.

I could go on. These are but a handful of games that came out in the 90s. Nostalgia aside, it was a great time to be a gamer.

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Thing is, I was six years old when the millennium rolled around. The nineties in terms of gaming is all retrospective for me.

Half Life 1, even now, is amazing. Goldeneye, Banjo-kazooie, these're games I still love.

(Also, I know someone with a calculator can work out my age. I'm hardly gunna get hunted down though.)

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Using cartoons to sell things was common even in the 80s He-man, transformers, thundercats, ninja turtles and so on. I'd say it pretty much reached its peak in the 90s shortly after the arrival of the cartoon channels and before a lot of political pressure was applied to the industry. Once people started to realise how many children where watching cartoons for several hours every day there was a lot of concern around the commercial aspects of the programming.

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The 80s started it, the 90s nulled it a little, and the 00s revived it.

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Quote: "The 90s were incredible for gaming. Zelda: Ocarina of Time, which some still regard as the greatest game ever was released in the 90s. Also Goldeneye 64 , Speedball 2, Sonic the Hedgehog, Doom, Lemmings, Warcraft 2, Day of the Tentacle, Quake, Command & Conquer, Sam and Max Hit the Road, System Shock, Virtua Fighter, Street Fighter 2, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil 2.

I could go on. These are but a handful of games that came out in the 90s. Nostalgia aside, it was a great time to be a gamer.
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Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate, Fallout, those are the games that I consider the best of the 90s.

Quote: "It's all too easy to talk about games getting worse, but let's be honest, our run-of-the-mill is CoD. It's still better than the run-of-the-mill in the 90s."


I don't know what run-of-the-mill games from the 90s were like, because I didn't actually play games during that time. And I don't play run-of-the-mill games from previous generations now, only the good ones. But, honestly, I don't play run-of-the-mill games from the current generation either, only the good ones. That's right, I've never played a Modern Warfare game in my life and I probably never will. I just don't care about those kinds of games.

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Some of my favourite games are still from the 90s. Elite 2:Frontier and Zeewolf 2 to name two of them! I was going to say StuntCar racer, but I think that was 1989

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I think the 90s were a HUGE era in gaming honestly, like Nintendo's Mario games, Rareware, Valve, etc... A lot of these companies are still going strong and are basing a lot of their games off of those that started out in the 90s. Game design has improved in the 00s but I'm not sure if it created more new franchises than the 90s did, we were mostly improving off of the 90s.

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Whoever said 90's wasn't a good era for gaming needs a good smack and a wake up call! N64... 'Nuff said.

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I never got the N64, mainly because at the time I didn't like consoles, but partly I didn't have 3 arms to use the joypad

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Quote: "As cynical as that immediately appears, I can't help feeling it's actually true"


Any of you guys had the privilege of watching bay blade? Talk about desperately selling to kids. Just about every line in the show is crafted to induce kids to buy.

The 90's cartoons were pretty terrible. As a grownup now I've tried watching some of them and they are tough to get through.

There are some I still like though, pinky and the brain springs to mind, Sealab 2021, spaceghost.


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All I can say is ... KNIGHTMARE!!! Legendary 90s kids show!



Edit: Actually, I fail. Knightmare was from the 80s!!

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the 90s were kinda dark for me. I grew up in Moscow russia with my grandparents. It was a time of democracy, lawlessness, black capitalism and pyramid schemes. i didnt know much about that stuff back then and neither did i care but looking back i realise that everyone was a lot poorer than now. Almost everywhere was a slum including near my apartment where it was littered with abandoned rusted cars.The only thing that saved my grandparents and me is they were pretty wealthy to begin with so they were better off than most people on pention.

thats enough about that let me remember some good stuff about it. I liked watching TV a lot (that must be why i started getting very nearsighted since 8 years old, watched too much TV) I watched an hour of disney cartoons every day after school. My favorite were the "Darkwing Duck" and "Bonkers". At that time especially to kids, everything that was foreign was cool so noone really liked any of the russian TV or russian anything. it was old and boaring. Some other shows i liked were "air-wolf" (i still love that show) it was a show about this awesome badass high tech prototype helicopter gunship that was stolen by some rouge mercenaries and and they used it to fight bad guys.
Then there was the A team. also about rouge mercenaries who built really cool stuff and helped out people in need and took down bad guys. (i always wondered how they managed to fit all those tools guns and supplies in their van, they couldnt possibly carry everything theyll ever need in it and somehow, whenever they need to build a trap or mod a vehicle, they coincidentally have everything they need)

so what else was there. Me and my friends constantly modded our bikes. It was considered cool to stick as much look shiny bells and whistles. i had mine covered in stickers and a bunch of reflectors. (my bike wasnt as cool as the other kids)

Also how can i forget about gaming consoles. I had this thing called Dendi which is pretty much a chinese clone of NES and like everyone had them. i had a bunch of games but the one that sticks to me the most was Contra 2 (i could never even get past the first boss and my friends could all beat the game in 1 sitting) My freind even got a Sega, and because Dendi (NES) wasnt cool anymore because everyone started getting segas, and of course my grandparents didnt buy me one so i went to my friends to play mortal comabt 3, racing games and there was this really fun 2-player game where you are this fighter plane and you can make units and you need to use them to defend your base or send them to attack the other guys base and you can also attack the base and enemy units, so it was like this 2 player strategy game.

speaking of consoles! year 1997-1999 NO INTERNET! We used fat videogame manuals to look up cheats and special combos there were even some as big as a phonebook!

Then i moved to the states around 2000 and in a few years i finally realised that computers were awesome and around 2003, it was good bye childhood.

I do wish i had a PC in the 90s from the looks of the PC gaming was reaaly awesome!


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I was born in 1980, so I started high school around '93, which was a great time. I had a skater haircut and listened to Nirvana and STP in their primes.

Gaming was awesome in the 90s, and id Software ruled the PC world. Most of my awesome nostalgic memories from my whole life come from '91, '92 and '93.

The funniest part about the 90s? The awful clothes, and the fact that we didn't realize how awful they were back then. Just watch an episode of Parker Lewis Can't Lose and see for yourself! Were parachute pants actually a thing?




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