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Isocadia
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Basicly, I'm gonna get myself a widescreen monitor for Skyrim. And just as I thought that I was going for the Iiyama B2409HDS-B1, I see this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005254&Tpk=LG%20d2342p-pn

Now I'm stuck wondering whether I should buy the Iiyama for 185 euro's, or wait a month and get the LG for 229 euro's ( price at which I can get it ).

Do you guys think the 3D effect and LED backlight is worth it, or do you think I should just stick with the LCD Iiyama and get myself some more RAM ( currently on 4gig )???
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I will warn you, that monitor uses Passive technology as opposed to active.

Pros are the glasses are dirt-cheap and featherlight, however, it cuts the HD image in half vertically to create the effect. Hence you'll receive a half-HD 3D image.

Some people say that unlike Active technology which blinks in your eyes, Passive is a lot more comfortable. However, Active gives a HD image for each eye, this only does half that.

Also the main advantage of LED tech is a thin screen, the supposed improvement in contrast is dubious at best.

My advice? Get the Iiyama. Alot of gamers on Black Ops said the 3D effects on that were difficult to deal with, and motion panning can be somewhat nauseating.

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Personally, I think all this 3D tv hype is just a gimmick and it won't really catch on. I'd save my money and skip the 3D monitors.

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I was aware of the passive technology, though a friend of mine bought the 42" tv version, and it worked quite well on that ( I didn't really see the difference in resolution to the point where it was annoying or getting ugly ). My biggest concern was me actually using it ( I'm buying all of this for skyrim, don't wanna play that on my old 4:3 LCD ).

Anyway, I'm also more keen to the idea of the Iiyama, simply because of the fact that I also want to upgrade my RAM and GPU ( gts250 ). Maybe for christmas I can get my parents to give me RAM or the GPU and I'll buy the other.

Anyway, I'll just think it over at dinner, then I'll decide.
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I've used the active tech, trust me on this, passive is the only real way to go.

You might also want to check out the iz3d monitor:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220819580124

If you ask me? Go for 3d, you'll enjoy it, even if you only use it for bluray


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Posted: 6th Nov 2011 18:59 Edited at: 6th Nov 2011 19:01
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Plus I don't know how intensive running in 3D would be on a PC game. :S

Honestly, manufacturers themselves aren't focusing on 3D this year. "3D ready's" the new catchphrase. You don't get glasses, but they're cheaper, and they'll have InternetTV built in. That's what they're pushing this year.

I work in a TV store, and I wouldn't buy 3D. But then, it is down to personal taste.

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Quote: "I've used the active tech, trust me on this, passive is the only real way to go."


I partly agree, but all but Toshiba and LG are going fully-active in the TV ranges.

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Anyway, I've decided to go with the Iiyama, cause I don't think 3D is really worth it, though I'm afraid that in a year or so I'll start regretting my choice

But I'm gonna use the money now to buy some more RAM. Then, in a year or so, I might buy a 3D monitor to use beside the Iiyama, I don't know, something in that direction. But something is telling me that 3D is either not gonna become mainstream like colour TV's once became or that it's gonna get alot better in the next year or 2.

Anyway, thanks for your advice, and I'll report back on the Iiyama once I get it. Cannot wait
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I've worked in a tv store too, the TV's we all had were active and sucked. Try passive tech, you'll love it. It's just as good as the theater experience, in my opinion.

With passive tech, processing is fine. On active tech, whenever frame rate dips it goes out of sync. On passive monitors, the game runs a bit slower, maybe about 25 percent, but you still get the full 3d experience without any headache inducing sync issues.


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Mmm, LG passive sets don't deal well with moving vertically. Pulls the 3D effect out of sync slightly. I'm fairly comfortable with Active 3D.

Sadly we've only had the LG top-end to test it with, though.

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Posted: 6th Nov 2011 20:39 Edited at: 6th Nov 2011 20:39
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Jerico, I've already tried passive, and I love it. The point is, I don't think that paying the 50 euro's extra is worth it, either because I'm not gonna use the 3D that much ( unless Skyrim works properly with it ) or because I get this feeling that if 3D stays, we'll see alot cheaper better passive 3D screens in the near future. Anyway, now I've started doubting again, cause if skyrim works with 3D that would be so bloody awesome.

Edit: Damn, I just realised, I'm in a corner where 2 sloped rooms meet, is a 24" screen even gonna fit in height.....
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Alright, I'm going to the store tomorrow to see the LG irl, and if I like it ( and it's not to high ) I think I'll go 3D. My brother already has the Iiyama, and I personally really like the colours, but if the LG is better, then it's quite obvious I'll go for that one .

Anyway, if anybody already has personal experience with the LG, then please say so, cause I really don't have that much money, and it would really suck if I were to make a bad decision.
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I recently bought the Acer HN274H 3D monitor and I absolutely love it!

3D Is just so absolutely amazing in games I could die. It just makes everything seem so much more real in ways you couldn't even imagine.

Wandering around in Portal 2, I just feel like I'm playing a tiny model in a scene. Its just fantastic.

Its stunning, so I would recommend waiting to get a 3D monitor!

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At first I was like... eh, 3D seems a bit silly to me.
And then I tried it at my friends house with Crysis 2 and was utterly blown away.
If you have the money for it, go for it. I would

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3d in movies = meh, unless its transformers....

3d in games? havent tried, but when my current screen gets too old (4 years old atm) i think ill buy the new screen with 3d in mind indeed....


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i feel like i want to play FPS games in 3d.

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Quote: "i feel like i want to play FPS games in 3d."


that, it would certanly be SOOO AWEESOMME

i feel racing games could POTENTIALLY be cool aswell


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I hope it helps better with aiming.

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Posted: 7th Nov 2011 10:49 Edited at: 7th Nov 2011 10:49
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Driving games run pretty well. There's not much better than Grid in 3D! It's like BiggAdd says, it's like you're driving a little model in your computer screen.


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Well, I've seen the screen in the store ( though it was only the D2342P version, not the p-pn version, don't know the difference ) and I was dissapointed by the quality of the colours, they looked dull, greyish. Maybe that's better on the p-pn version, but the Iiyama really has beautifull vivid colours, and I think I rather have that than 3D ( though the only option I was able to change on the screen was the RGB values ( all set to 50, which was dull ), so maybe alot of the screen quality is software generated using the TriDef technology )

Anyway, lets hope I can try the screen for a day or so, and if it still looks like a greyish world then I'll go for the Iiyama.
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3D often inherently looks a little bit duller that 2D. It's the specs.

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Yeah, but compared to the Iiyama, this looked really dull. I think the biggest problem was that they weren't showing a 1080P image on the demo and I cannot believe that you can only change the RGB values of the monitor, so I guess that you should be able to edit the look of the screen alot trough software. But I'm going to another store tomorrow where they have it besides the Iiyama, and depending on those results, I'll decide ( though currently I'm favoring the Iiyama ).

Also, if anybody is looking for a non 3D screen, the Iiyama is a REALLY good screen, the colours are simply beautiful.
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You should avoid sacrificing the screen quality just for 3D. I know I said I loved my 3D monitor, but the colour quality and brightness of my monitor is really really good, and I don't think I would have bought the monitor if I knew the colours and brightness weren't up to scratch.

Why not try and find a really decent 120Hz LED monitor for the same price, then buy the 3D vision kit at a later date?

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@BiggAdd: Because I don't want to go active, if I go 3D, it would be passive.

Anyway, I've went to the store, let them hook it up to a gaming rig they had and that had TriDef technology installed, and my conclusion are as follows:

The screen is quite nice in colour, though still quite greyish relative to the Iiyama, but they still look quite nice.
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The 3D effect was quite awefull, if you weren't sitting in the exact center of the screen, you would start to see double ( how this is possible with polaroid tech I don't know ) and even in the center, sometimes on the borders of the screen the image would still double. Though it was a crappy 1.5 year old 3D demo, but still.

Anyway, I've decided to go with the Iiyama for now ( if I find a good LED I'll go with that one, but I need to have the screen ordered tomorrow to have it in time for Skyrim ). Maybe in the future I'll dual screen with 1 3D screen, but for now, the technology just isn't advanced enough, atleast in the passive world.
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@Isocadia

Passive is known to have a small angle of viewing than active. Hence why alot of manufacturers dropped it.

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Posted: 8th Nov 2011 21:28 Edited at: 8th Nov 2011 22:01
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The thing I'm kinda surprised by is how small it actually is. But I'm gonna try to get the shop to give me some kind of 2 day tryout. See if I can get the colour I want out of it and if the 3D effect works for me. If not I'll go for the Iiyama, or maybe a LED Iiyama, that would be pretty sweet.

Edit: I've just found a quite nice Iiyama LED which might be the one I'm going for: The Iiyama 2473HDS-B1
http://www.mycom.nl/Product/Beeld-TFT-Monitor/iiyama-24-E2473HDSB1-LED/1110121
*Dutch site, but Newegg doesn't sell Iiyama, or I didn't find them*
Seems like a nice screen, comes out better than the B2409 and is 3 euro's cheaper
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Update:

Well, I decided to go for the E2473HDS-B1, but because they couldn't deliver it in time for Skyrim, I went for a new model which is the E2475HDS-B1, it's basicly the same but with a different border and stand, also they removed 1 HDMI port and the audio jack. Anyway, I hope I'll get it tomorrow and report on the qualtity.
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