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SH4773R
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Posted: 15th Jan 2012 18:29 Edited at: 15th Jan 2012 18:29
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I decided that I would like to build a new computer, I have some parts
picked out but I just wanted to check with you guys about them

I am aware that RAM is not on the list, I plan to buy a 1x8GB stick of
corsair vengeance so I can have a max RAM amount of 32GB

I also know I can get a second HD 6970, but I'd rather wait a bit.

(I would like to keep it under 2000 dollars)

Here is my shopping cart on newegg so far:



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SpyDaniel
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Posted: 15th Jan 2012 18:52
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Why an i5?
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MrValentine
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Posted: 15th Jan 2012 18:56 Edited at: 15th Jan 2012 18:59
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For the prices...

Get a different CASE which will come with fans... for tthat price wow ripoff...

get a NVidia (yes fanboy but not for the obvious reasons) 560ti series or better... for the money I doubt that ati card will deliver...

Im mot so sure about MSI...

My three cents... but will have to let others find substitures... have going to sites like newegg too much cac...

Hehe but nice rig and only get the 2500k if you genuinely plan to overclock for which I recommend you pick out a dedicated cooler for... otherwise save the few bob for buying a game hehe... or a keyboard or mouse...

Hope this helped...

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SpyDaniel... whats wrong with an i5? I have it too... SB edition 2500 not k edition didnt bother with the unlock feature got bored with overclocking lol had fun on the Q6600 doing that amazing chip...

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SH4773R
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Posted: 15th Jan 2012 19:13 Edited at: 15th Jan 2012 19:14
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The case does come w/ fans but there's space for 4 more

Yes I do plan to overclock.
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Intel BXXTS100H CPU Cooler
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

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Posted: 15th Jan 2012 19:24
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Good... choice... but the cooler might come prefitted with its own paste... did they say to get your own? if not you should get some TPM and also make sure you get a card with that paste ^^

Ive been loving my i5 it just works so well

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Posted: 15th Jan 2012 20:35
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Quote: "For the prices..."


Doesn't make any sense at all, when he's spending more on a case. It should be the other way round.

The i5 is slower than the i7 and if you want a decent gaming system, buy an i7. I'm currently looking at the 1155 2600K 3.4Ghz, which is £250. Going to use water cooling for it and house it inside an antec 900.
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Posted: 15th Jan 2012 20:42 Edited at: 15th Jan 2012 20:51
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Yes and the i5 is faster than the i3 spare me the lecture...

Perhaps you didnt realise that may be above his budget and tbh you only need an i7 for very intense usage... or if you have silly cash to spend... for the average gamers the i5 cuts it swell... besides he can always upgrade later...

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Anyway not saying I am against your view in anyway haha but just felt you missed out on something there...

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Quote: "The i5 is slower than the i7 and if you want a decent gaming system, buy an i7."


Quote: "Yes and the i5 is faster than the i3 spare me the lecture.."


Not strictly. There are models of the i3 that are faster than some models of the i5, and some models of the i5 that are faster than some models of the i7. Each i series has a ton of different models with differing number of cores, clocks, and power usage. Check benchmarks to know true on-average speeds.

That being said, the i7 2600k is significantly faster than the i5 2500k and for only 100 bucks more. I would personally get the 2600k and hold off on the second videocard for a while, since the 6970 will be able to play any game you want easily, and you can't "add on" a CPU in the future.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2012 16:20
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Quote: "Perhaps you didnt realise that may be above his budget"

Seeing as his budget is $2000 and his current cost is ~$1250, I think an i7 would be fine.

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What OS are you planning on using?

"So hold your head up high and know. It's not the end of the road"

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I personally would pick better quality fans for the case. Because those cheap ones will get loud in a year,if you buy some quality Akasa vents or Xilence fans,it will be much better for the price.

MSI motherboards are actually not the best ones to pick,go for ASUS/Gigabyte,but I believe ASUS still delivers top for the money.

Buying an i7 2600k over i5 2500k is silly,about 5% speed increase for 40% price increase. Only go for it if you really want top of the line.

Graphic card,don't buy the 6970,if you really want a Radeon,buy the new 7970. Otherwise, a single Geforce GTX590 should do the trick. It is faster than 2x6970 for a simmilar price.


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Quote: " Otherwise, a single Geforce GTX590 should do the trick. It is faster than 2x6970 for a simmilar price."


Evidence or you're picking these facts out of your arse.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2012 17:38 Edited at: 16th Jan 2012 17:44
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Here's the compy I would build for gaming for 2k:

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=25828808

The SSDs are meant to be run in raid. I was looking at 2 1tb drives but the price gets overbudget. I decided to go with a watercooled case so you can OC like crazy. I dumped the 32gb ram cuz that's unnecessary unless your running a dozen virtual machines. 8gb is plenty, and as a bonus you can get higher speed ram at a quarter of the cost of mid-range 32gb ram.

Of course, the graphics cards are up for debate. 500 dollars worth (which is what I budgeted) of video cards will get you all sorts of options. I won't advocate one way or another, but I'm fond of nvidia cards, and usually a single higher end card is faster than 2 lower end cards of the same price.

I'd probably downgrade a few other components to get maybe a sound card or lan card


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Indicium: http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-590-review/15

The Geforce score is 30k, while the Radeon has 21k. Running the 6970 in CFX gives you a score of about 31-32k(the CFX scaling is not that good). Sligthly more power use,more space consuming and about the same price. In my country,if you buy a decent 6970,the price is like 350€. If you buy a GTX590,it is about 710€. Which means in the end,the GTX590 outweights the 6970.


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Posted: 16th Jan 2012 18:42 Edited at: 16th Jan 2012 19:26
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Correct me if im wrong but it seems like a hd 6970 is faster then a gtx 590

6970:
Core clock: 880 mhz
Stream processors: 1536

590
core clock: 630 mhz
stream processors: 1024

6970 seems like the winner not only is it alot cheaper but it looks faster from the stats as well,
anything im missing?

And I plan to be using windows 7/8 64 bit

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Posted: 16th Jan 2012 19:50
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You got it wrong,the clocks and stream processors mean nothing. In fact,the GTX590 is dual core,which means 2x630mhz on core and 2x1024 stream processors,of course thats the theory but it's slightly different.

What matters most is the architecture of the core,the components used and the drivers. My Radeon 4770 had clocks same as 6970 but it's definately not as fast.


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Posted: 16th Jan 2012 20:04
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Actually its 512 per core but no matter, I get your point.

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Heres a decent specs comparison: CLICK
You can see the 6970 uses about 250w of power while the GTX590 uses about 400w. But if you crossfire the 6970,that means 500w,which is another 100w over the GTX590. I believe the GTX590 is an actual overall winner.


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Posted: 16th Jan 2012 20:20
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Quote: "Get a different CASE which will come with fans... for tthat price wow ripoff... "


Research your cases first. It's pricey, but it's a very good case and is also the same one I've considered buying. I like it for the room it gives for radiators in water-cooling systems.

Quote: "Buying an i7 2600k over i5 2500k is silly,about 5% speed increase for 40% price increase"

Depends what you're doing.

And I may be incorrect here, but I believe you get better performance from 2 sticks of ram rather than a single one.

Personally, I'd go for the i7, but if games are your only concern than the i5 will suffice.

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Quote: "Buying an i7 2600k over i5 2500k is silly,about 5% speed increase for 40% price increase."


The 2600k is 35% faster on average than the 2500k. That's significant.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2012 22:54
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What motherboard would you guys recommend for dual graphics cards and and intel i7 2500k?

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ASUS P8Z68, doesn't matter which version.
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ionstream: CLICK The i7 2600k barely even goes over i5 2500k. It will be a gaming machine so it is important to look at the game tests,not the syntethics. Even in syntethics,the i7 2600k is like 2000 points better,which means like 8-9% faster. Your theory is proven wrong


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Passmark Scores:

2500k: 7,481
2600k: 10,074 ( + 34.6% increase )

Novabench Scores:
(average at stock clock speed)

2500k: 1781
2600k: 2308 ( +29.6% increase )

3DMark06 CPU Score:

2500k: 6101
2600k: 6608( +8.3% increase )

3DMark Vantage Scores:

2500k: 17343
2600k: 23731( +36.8% increase )

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I'm not saying it will make the whole computer 35% faster, but mulithreaded processes will benefit heavily from the i7. And since it's more costly to upgrade the CPU in the future than the GPU, my vote is for the 2600k.

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These tests heavily rely on hyperthreading and other tiny bonuses,that doesnt matter in the common use. Even 3d rendering barely has any speedups by picking i7 over i5.


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Posted: 17th Jan 2012 16:23 Edited at: 17th Jan 2012 16:23
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So a 6 core didn't float your boat... what about a 12 core with 4 1tb drives that can be setup in raid with 32gb ram:

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=23028607

It's only a couple hundred over budget... Crazy what you can get for 2 grand these days.


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Posted: 18th Jan 2012 00:21 Edited at: 18th Jan 2012 00:23
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12 Core.... 400$.... WHAT!!?!!

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yeah, and you could totally get it in budget by finding unregistered ram (which might be slightly faster anyway), and getting rid of some other stuff or getting cheaper alternatives (lower capacity drives, for example, 1 or 2gb ram sticks, etc...

The need for 12 cores, strictly speaking, won't be that beneficial for modern games, but would rock at rendering, virtual machines, any parallel processing applications (raytracing?), encoding/transcoding, etc.


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Posted: 18th Jan 2012 01:52 Edited at: 18th Jan 2012 03:36
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Looking at the server processor page, 2x12 cores is really tempting...

EDIT:

Okay I've gained some sense, here's my current config:

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=18413572

How does it look? Any bottle necking?

EDIT:

I need some cooling, on it

EDIT:

OK i think iv got it:

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13618749

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Yeah,that is a very decent build,you should go for that. The water cooling is not really necessary,but if you want it also for the looks,go for it


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