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Geek Culture / Megaupload file-sharing site shut down

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Dar13
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Posted: 21st Jan 2012 23:19 Edited at: 21st Jan 2012 23:20
Quote: "I can't think of a single instance, where I would make a video, piece of media, or bit of software and not want people to know who I am."

How about an anti-establishment video in a totalitarian country with a bad record of killing protesters and/or reformers? I don't know about you, but I'd like to be anonymous in that case.

Quote: "If you're scared of people knowing who you are when you upload something to the internet ..."

I'm not scared, I just don't want someone to be able to track all of my activities on the net. Especially the government or some faceless corporation. It's a privacy thing, not fear or paranoia.

And Daniel, the problem with your system of creating a 'blacklist' of product names can still backfire on legitimate downloads if not implemented properly. A badly coded automated system could quite possibly discern that 'TeraCopy for Microsoft Windows' is an illegal download according to the blacklist. I agree with you, there has to be something done about these illegal hosting sites. But this is closer to a scorched-earth policy than an actual solution.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 00:18 Edited at: 22nd Jan 2012 00:32
Daniel TGC gives you the issue from the business being ripped off points of view and how these sites make it difficult to deal with it. I have been getting the feeling that some around here have had sympathy and verging on supporting MU in this without any real knowledge of the issues involved (even though it doesn't take much of a brain to work it out). Now that TGC have somewhat officially said what they think in this matter and that this happens to be forums for users of their products, I expect those who felt they should shout out about 'internet harrasment' will have a complete turn around or simply slink off and wait till it all blows over.

The MU issue is something that should have been dealt with without any relationship to recent events regarding SOPA or whatever bills are being put forward. Those issues are something entirely different in the sense that they need to be better thrashed out so as not to be oppressive and have a balance which doesn't remove basic rights to freedom of speech and freedom of information to the people. What you see going on with that is how it should be, people are making their voices heard and government are forced to listen (democracy at work).

This site being taken down is only the beginning and I hope it continues, I reckon many of them are now shaking in their boots as it also includes prosecution and not simply removing them so they can set up elsewhere and continue untouched.

Many also seem to think that those who upload copyrighted material do so for reputation and kudos, thats a myth, those who do this recieve payment from these sites as do those who provide the links to them through revenue from advertising (hits from links pay off).

Its not cheap to provide bandwidth whatever you think many of the sites providing videos will tell you this right on the page so why do you think they are providing 'free' downloads or video streaming when many of these files are large and hit by thousands every day.

As stated there are many hosts who provide legitimate space without resorting to hosting pirated madia and hiding it behind an honest front. Anyone who use MU and similar (and there are many more out there) should not be getting pissed at law enforcement but at MU for using them and if you used them then you probably knew that did host that stuff. The list is huge Filefront,Wupload,Filesonic,Fileserve....etc,etc,etc.
How do you think they make enough to provide 'free' services.

Quote: "How about an anti-establishment video in a totalitarian country with a bad record of killing protesters and/or reformers? I don't know about you, but I'd like to be anonymous in that case."
You wouldn't be calling it "My hatred of government who are out to kill me...Microsoft windows 7" would you.

Keep it real.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 00:32 Edited at: 22nd Jan 2012 00:38
Quote: "How about an anti-establishment video in a totalitarian country with a bad record of killing protesters and/or reformers? I don't know about you, but I'd like to be anonymous in that case."


There's specific humanitarian groups such as Amnesty international who get these stories out regularly. If you have such a story to tell you're better off anonymously sending content to them via a disposable e-mail account, then using pirate sites.

Quote: "I'm not scared, I just don't want someone to be able to track all of my activities on the net. Especially the government or some faceless corporation. It's a privacy thing, not fear or paranoia."


Why? What does it matter if google customize their advertising towards your tastes? Simply by using an ISP you pretty much grant a single company access to all this information, and rest assured many of them sell this information as well. So unless you're travelling the country using burner cells there's not a lot you can do about it. Personally I don't care, I don't have to buy their products and I'm not doing anything illegal.

Quote: "And Daniel, the problem with your system of creating a 'blacklist' of product names can still backfire on legitimate downloads if not implemented properly. A badly coded automated system could quite possibly discern that 'TeraCopy for Microsoft Windows' is an illegal download according to the blacklist. I agree with you, there has to be something done about these illegal hosting sites. But this is closer to a scorched-earth policy than an actual solution."


If a company can't implement a blacklist correctly then that's their internal issue. If they can't provide this level of filtering, then it's their business that should suffer. At the moment it's the other way around, they let anything through at the expense of other business instead.
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 00:45
Quote: "Why? What does it matter if google customize their advertising towards your tastes?"


because i still wont like it? Even though the advertising THINKS it know what i like, doesnt mean i want to get back to playing world of warcraft, or download World of tanks.. again, BECAUSE I ALREADY PLAY IT.
Quote: " "I'm not scared, I just don't want someone to be able to track all of my activities on the net. Especially the government or some faceless corporation. It's a privacy thing, not fear or paranoia.""


I fully agree to this


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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 01:00
Quote: "You wouldn't be calling it "My hatred of government who are out to kill me...Microsoft windows 7" would you."

I assume you missed my actual example in my post i.e.
Quote: "... 'TeraCopy for Microsoft Windows' ..."
which is a real program that I've used in the past.

Quote: "If a company can't implement a blacklist correctly then that's their internal issue."

It becomes the user's issue when their content is erroneously deleted.

As for the data-mining, I'd prefer to minimize it as much as I can. I know I can't stop it and be completely anonymous(except by using a Tor node and that's a maybe). I give out my information when I want to, not when someone else requires it. Especially considering my age.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 02:34 Edited at: 22nd Jan 2012 02:41
This is all getting off topic.

Sites like megaupload do not in any way protect your anonymity. It's sites like this that are loaded down with all the privacy destroying swill that you detest so much. They make you sign up for accounts, take payment information, throw gambling websites at you, as well as other adult content. These hosted adverts place tracking cookies on users systems, and report your IP address if you click on any of them even by accident.

So the privacy argument doesn't really hold up. Even torrents are far from private, in fact they are a very public way of uploading and downloading information.

Quote: "It becomes the user's issue when their content is erroneously deleted."


The issue here is one of passing the buck. Users don't take responsibility for supporting these websites by uploading and downloading because they want that websites content or have some weird justification for uploading it in the first place. These hosting websites don't take responsibility for the content uploaded, because it's all the users fault.

The only group to lose out in all of this is the original company who created the content neither website hosts or users are giving them any money. In fact you're giving money to the group who are effectively stealing and distributing the content.

Effectively they are the modern day dodgy dealer in the market selling badly ripped VHS copies.

Sitting there complaining that the filter might be a little inconvenient isn't a reason for these filters not to be put in place. If your upload is rejected because you put the word windows in it. Then remove the word windows, work around it instead of complaining that it's a pain. At least this way the sites will demonstrate an active desire to be legitimate file sharing systems. At the moment they don't care what is uploaded, and do everything they can to prevent companies removing content. The fact is anyone should be able to get this content removed, not just the company itself. If I see a copy of windows on this site, I should be able to report it without legal threats and having to declare I work for the company. If the same users who upload this rubbish, could police it as well we might achieve some kind of balance. But they don't do that.

After all if Microsoft want to release Windows for free on those systems, they can create a company account and do it legitimately. It's not very likely some bloke with the user ID despro0034422 is going to be a microsoft employee.

You can quote privacy all you want. You can moan what a pain in the arse a filter might be. But those are not reasons not to do everything possible to prevent pirated software being put up. It's only an excuse to keep trying to get free stuff.

Well here's news for anyone supporting these sites and defending them.

The stuff isn't yours, and you don't have a right to it.

just because they invented a better lock pick that doesn't mean stealing isn't illegal. And just because downloading illegal content is easy, that doesn't stop it being wrong. Anyone who claims otherwise doesn't understand the difference between right or wrong, so perhaps they don't deserve freedom in the first place, any more than the bugler running off with your TV set in the middle of the night does.
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 02:55
If MU was actively promoting, advertising or encouraging piracy on their website then I can fully understand the issue here, as they could be then held responsible for criminal activity on their website.

If they were there to facilitate pirates, then definitely, shut them down, sure people will go elsewhere, but you're not going to get off Scott free for committing a crime. Of course, on the flip side I do feel sorry for MegaUpload's legitimate users.

Privacy is the difficult one, because people might not like giving out their personal data on the internet and with accounts being hacked on different services and personal data being stolen I do feel less comfortable about giving my personal data on a website. At the same time, I do recognise that a system where personal data is not needed it could be abused.

Even then...people can lie about personal information, I went through a paranoid phase of only using my name and filling all other criteria with 'N/A' or random info, it works. I think when a website requires you to give your phone number, it can be a little hazy - I don't want to receive spam calls, so I refuse to give it.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 04:22
Quote: "And Daniel, the problem with your system of creating a 'blacklist' of product names can still backfire on legitimate downloads if not implemented properly."


Anything can backfire if not implemented properly....for example, a guidance system for ICBMs. The answer to that, of course, is to implement it properly.

Daniel has laid out some great arguments to counter a lot of the "what ifs" and "how comes" in this conversation. They were wrong in how they were letting illegal material flow through their systems, they knew it....they were caught and shut down. End of story. It's almost like members that "skirt" the AUP around here. Say a few things that shouldn't be said; but not enough to "technically" break the rules.

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Quote: "They were wrong in how they were letting illegal material flow through their systems, they knew it."


I agree with this right here, What if,just what if I created a real good game,millions where wanting it, I finally for once in my life seceded,then,WHOOPS,ITS FOR FREE ON MEGA UPLOAD.

This could be any one here.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 05:07
Now that my playing of devil's advocate is over, thank you for your arguments Daniel. You make some great points, especially from the business-that-gets-ripped-off side of the discussion.

If I seemed confrontational, I apologize. Just wanted to get all the what-ifs and such taken care of which you did quite nicely as KeithC said.

I agree that sites like MegaUpload are a bad thing for content makers like ourselves, especially for content makers like ourselves, but there must be a solution that doesn't create a system where it can be abused without repercussions. I personally like your idea of a blacklist, I think that would push a lot of the pirated material into obscurity in particular for the not very internet savvy pirate.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 05:17 Edited at: 22nd Jan 2012 05:25
Quote: "This is all getting off topic."

Well since the title is really just a statement of events and requires no direct answer to a question, I guess thats bound to happen
Its actually a very interesting thread with the way its went and is pretty revealing in the way some react to it.
The thing most prominent is the knee jerk reaction to defend MU or at least those who may have had files lost. My first thoughts are..if your so paranoid about having yur data poked into....why on earth would you post it online? Let alone with a company you know nothing about and who can use whatever you put on their servers in any way they please(you really believe they wouldnt touch your stuff just cos you said not to, look at the response to legitimate companies who try to get their copyright media removed).
If you need backup use cd's, dvd's, or external HDD's.
If your a business use a reputable company to transfer files.
If your a musician or artist there are many ways to give access to free demo's or to sell to your work to people online without using sites like MU. If there is a real reason to then I dont see it, not for me anyhow (pretty sure someone will come along and give one)

As for giving details, if its a free e-mail or whatever, I dont give all my real details, I change things around a bit. Here's the reality....once you give it out....ANYTHING concerning your personal details that you put online, will remain on there...FOREVER....SOMEWHERE....and its just waiting to be used.

As for MU...its goodnight from them...

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 06:20
Quote: "I personally like your idea of a blacklist, I think that would push a lot of the pirated material into obscurity in particular for the not very internet savvy pirate."


That's the main issue right there for me. There's absolutely no way you can stop technically proficient users from pirating software, that's reality and I accept it. They'll always be able to setup closed networks they can give their mates access too. My biggest issue is how easy and global it is to pirate things now. You don't have to know what you're doing, you just have to slap on a bit of software, perform a search and start downloading. Heck you don't even need to do that, these days a quick google search is all you need and you can do it all on the web without installing anything.

It's so openly public, and so business orientated now (file hosts as the business) that something really has to be done about it. I don't particularly like the idea of governments and states telling me what I can and can not do on the internet, though I doubt they'd take much interest in me I'm very boring. On the other hand I like what individuals are doing even less. It's getting to the point where a small company sets up, releases a product and ends up with more users getting it for nothing then they are actually selling.

So I can't help but feel that these hosting sites are the solution. They need to understand, that if they don't do everything they possibly can to filter this content, then they shouldn't be allowed to operate. I'm glad MU which was one of the biggest offenders, has started to pay the piper and I hope more sites such as rapidshare start to change or get taken down.

I think everyone in this community who produces content will agree, that they wish to do so while keeping control of their content. It's our right as developers to set our own price, make a living, and go on to do better things. If we price ourselves out of the market, you can assume someone will undercut us and offer an alternative. That's business and it's fair. What's not fair is having someone steal your work, and distributed it while profiting from the enterprise.

Quote: "If I seemed confrontational, I apologize. Just wanted to get all the what-ifs and such taken care of which you did quite nicely as KeithC said."


I don't think anyone here is posting to be confrontational, this is the nature of discussion that's all. Playing devils advocate is a vital role, otherwise it's just a bunch of do-gooders lecturing people and no one will pay attention to that!

Quote: "If you need backup use cd's, dvd's, or external HDD's."


Companies need to step up to the plate on this one. The Game Creators are great, in that if a digital product is sold, you can return and download it at any time. If a small company such as TGC can do this, then there's no reason big companies can't. And if they can't for whatever reason then this is something they can work with other file hosts to solve. Get them distributing and handling downloads for other companies legitimately. All that's really needed is a framework where the company can check their sales records, confirm the users right to the software then let the file host do the rest.

The cloud is the next big thing, if companies adopt it properly then we need never back anything up again, it'll be built into the price of the product.
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 08:55
As a dev who distributed freeware using MU as a host, I can say I'm angry. At the very least they could have warned us before shutting MU down. But I also hear what ppl are saying about piracy. Whether it's damaging profits or not, it's still illegal I know, so...

I fully agree with the "blacklist" idea. As for problems implementing it, I doubt there are because it doesn't have to be just a filename. There are hashes that can be used to verify a file. So the filehost, ie MU runs a SHA-1 and a sizehash and it is impossible that any two different files have the same value (or improbable, I have heard of the birthday theory but we're comparing two hashes here so they'd both have to coincide). This could be automatically done to all uploaded files on top of warning users not to use suspiscious names. Then, in the unlikely event a legitimate file was the same size and hash as something on the blacklist, simply modify your installer/music/whatever work of yours you are distributing. Not a train smash.

As for anonymity, sorry everyone thats anti here, but I am a huge proponent of online anonymity. The internets the last place left where you cay do things without RL repercussions. Many people, like me, lead double-lives, triple-lives, etc. Why should any authority be allowed to track what say, hentai we look at (or upload). I don't have an ISP and never will. I use other ppls internet most of the time and when I get a place of my own, I'll pay a neighbour six beers a month to register his/her details with my ISP. I believe that I should have the technological capability to speak out against governments and corporations without fear, to say what I want and blow the consequences. So on that note I'm all for anon uploads as I am for anon email accs, etc. I guess I hate any semblence of being controled/tracked/etc. tbh I dont even use my debit card, I draw cash to use. i have other ppl purchase stuff online for me. Paranoid...maybe a little

anyway, just throwing it out there.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 12:43 Edited at: 22nd Jan 2012 12:44
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 13:42 Edited at: 22nd Jan 2012 13:45
Quote: "I think everyone in this community who produces content will agree, that they wish to do so while keeping control of their content. It's our right as developers to set our own price, make a living, and go on to do better things. If we price ourselves out of the market, you can assume someone will undercut us and offer an alternative. That's business and it's fair. What's not fair is having someone steal your work, and distributed it while profiting from the enterprise."


That's as bad as the MPAA that still think they are living in the same world as 30 years ago where going to the cinema was a major part of peoples lives.

The internet is fundamentally changing how people live, especially when it comes to media consumption. When the amount of content massively outnumbers the portals to consume it through the content isn't so important. Plus with all the interaction that goes on between viewers they are increasingly becoming an integral part of the success of the content.

That's why there has been so much talk around SOPA. It attacks the portals to protect the content. People care more about the youtubes than hollywood.

An unmolested internet is probably many times more valuable to society than one controlled by increasingly irrelevant copyright holders.

By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 14:25
That vid TheComet posted spells it out pretty well. Upholding people's copyrights is important, but by the same token let's be realistic about doing so. I suppose filehosts are going to have to change the way they do things, but within reason. I'm sure we can find a way eventually where everyone (user's and copyright holders) can coexist...hopefully. This war's gaining momentum and I'm worried it's gonna get really nasty. Heh, who would've thought WW3's battleground would've been cyberspace.

Quote: "An unmolested internet is probably many times more valuable to society than one controlled by increasingly irrelevant copyright holders."

Here, here

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stupid... thats all there is to it, its extremely stupid, especially considering it isnt even about money, its all about controll.


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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 14:51
Quote: "...its all about controll."

And that's what war generally entails: 1 side tries to gain control of another side or the [insert resource] they're fighting over. In this case the war is for control of the internet. Also, there is money to be made; oodles of it. The internet can be used to make billions as much as it can be used to cost corporations billions.

Btw, I didn't mean it was a war yet, I meant it was starting to become one and I was speaking figuratively in this instance anyway, ie "The War on Drugs", "The War on Littering", "The War on Cancer", "The War on People Who Pick Their Noses In Public" etc. I'm a writer among other things (don't use that opening, plzzz), and we dramatize and speak figuratively a lot. Let's play nice okay

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Quote: "Btw, I didn't mean it was a war yet"


but it basicly is, since the goverements are trying to enforce just STUPID controll laws, in sweden for example, they wanted to issue a law that forces internet providers to give the goverment the IPs of the users on command.

and then there are SOPA and PIPA, and a bunch other ridiculous laws: Its a war between the civilians and the goverments.


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Quote: "but it basicly is"


Yeah, it is a war. But a more figurative one - for now as it's still in the protest phase. It could turn nasty tomorrow or next week or even months after any bills get passed - if they get passed. I doubt we'll see any serious RL violence over this but tbh I can't be absolutely sure.

Quote: "they wanted to issue a law that forces internet providers to give the goverment the IPs of the users on command."

In South Africa (and some other countries) a law was passed forcing everyone to register their SIM card. It was called RICA out here. The idea was to "help police catch criminals using phones for illegal purposes" but effectively what SIM registration does is give the authorities a means to track the location of 98% of the population (Even people living in shacks own cell phones here) using GPS technologies.

I think the best way to class this whole ordeal is:

Tech Wars

EPS I: The Phantom Control: Without a common religion to unite them and with the ever-dwindling sense of patriotism, Individuality is on the rise and has gained a foothold in society. Fearing this, the empire execute their last resort; social engineering. By encouraging widespread communication through radio and television, the empire hope to inundate people with subtle propaganda. It starts to work.

EPS II: Attack of the Drones: With a breakaway segment of the population preaching individuality and free speach, the empire is left with it's back against the wall. Time and time again, flaws in the system and the plight of humanity as a whole is being exposed and everyone is listening. During a think-tank session, a genius by the name of Dr XYZ comes up with the ultimate strategy: "Give them the truth, but give them too much of it!" Immediately the population is overwhelmed by exposure to flaws in the system and human plight. Eventually, they grow apathetic, becoming bored. Ultimately they end up self-centered and uncaring drones.

EPS III: Revenge of the Corporate: The now weakened population is now suggestible to the influences of modern controlled media. Using this, people are hypnotised by their Propaganda Boxes (called televisions by civilians) to purchase thousands of US Dollars worth of pointless appliances, gimmicks and excercise machines that don't work. With nowhere to run, the last of the resistance is forced underground.

EPS IV: A new hope: After hiding underground and blending among the zombies for years, the resistance finally find a safe haven in the ever-growing internet. Within the limitless world of cyberspace, they are free to do and say as they like without repercussion. Slowly they begin to enlighten the zombies and safe them one at a time. Things look good and there's an explosion of artistic expression. Not liking this, the empire make a move to squash it with a phoney bill among other things, including an attempt to use the internet to spread its own propaganda. However, this fails, leaving behind a bitter enemy.

EPS V: The Empire Strikes Back: After losing in a bid to gain control of the internet, the evil Empire not only ressurect the bill but attack a major online filesharer to send a clear message to the public. Unperturbed, the people continue to fight and spread the message, however the future is unclear.

EPS VI: The Return Of The Hacktivist: To Be Announced.

Propaganda-1: Join The Empire, We Have Cookies

Propaganda-2: Join the Rebellion. We Respect Your Privacy. We Don't Give You Cookies.

...Yeah!

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Safe bet Bond and Errant are dancing with a pint in their hand's right about now.

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2012 22:01 Edited at: 22nd Jan 2012 22:30
Quote: "I don't have an ISP and never will. I use other ppls internet most of the time and when I get a place of my own,I'll pay a neighbour six beers a month to register his/her details with my ISP. I believe that I should have the technological capability to speak out against governments and corporations without fear, to say what I want and blow the consequences."



You sound like a good guy to know. What activities are you involved in that entails such subterfuge and will have governments and corporations coming down on you? This is the internet not the matrix.
Good luck finding a neighbour to take the consequences for you.

Why are you so annoyed at losing this hosting when it wont take much to find another, maybe you have to go change a few links or whatever, but seriously is it such a big deal?
I could understand if someone used an online host to backup things, but even then would mean you had used as a sole backup to get so annoyed about it.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Posted: 23rd Jan 2012 04:56
wow... sorry nonZero thought I replied to you already... just use Dropbox for those files...

Can not believe how huge the posts got in this thread...

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Posted: 23rd Jan 2012 09:47
@rolfy:
Quote: "Why are you so annoyed at losing this hosting when it wont take much to find another"

Because a live in South Africa (still), and am staying with relatives whose internet is as follows:
Total Bandwidth Allowed per month (Cap): 1GB
Upload speed: 0.11mbps
Download speed: 0.34mbps
Suxxor factor: Over 9000!
Consequently had to beg other relatives who live miles away if I could use their internet. I don't have a car and this area has bad public transport so had to beg for a lift too
I hate begging people for stuff, especially people I barely know x2
Quote: "What activities are you involved in that entails such subterfuge and will have governments and corporations coming down on you?"

Weeeeell, if I told you, I'd have to kill you *insert creepy music*. Um, can't a guy just happen to be really, really concerned with his privacy for completely innocent reasons? ...

Quote: "Good luck finding a neighbour to take the consequences for you."

Human-beings are gullible and greedy. Offer them a reward and they'll do almost anything (which accounts for the insane level of crime where I live).
Quote: "This is the internet not the matrix."

It's not?

@MrValentine:
It's fine, I've already uploaded them to one of my Mediafire accounts. When I get access to better internet, I'll try Drop Box. Tks.

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Posted: 24th Jan 2012 22:15
This sucks but perhaps the silver lining is that the volume and quality of porn available will increase.
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Quote: "This sucks but perhaps the silver lining is that the volume and quality of porn available will increase."

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Posted: 25th Jan 2012 04:30
sorry if somone mentioned this already, but the word is the reason megaupload was shut down was this http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2011/111221airvinyl


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Posted: 25th Jan 2012 04:54
I have now begun downloading all my drop box data...

Time to invest in more local storage...

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Posted: 25th Jan 2012 17:23
Quote: "What if,just what if I created a real good game,millions where wanting it, I finally for once in my life seceded,then,WHOOPS,ITS FOR FREE ON MEGA UPLOAD."

Suddenly, Minecraft.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2012 17:26
Quote: "What if,just what if I created a real good game,millions where wanting it, I finally for once in my life seceded,then,WHOOPS,ITS FOR FREE ON MEGA UPLOAD."


i have one thing to say about that: Welcome to the world of media of different forms..


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Posted: 26th Jan 2012 18:07 Edited at: 26th Jan 2012 18:10
Quote: "In a sweeping attempt at stopping piracy of their latest movie, a studio has obtained a court order forcing India’s ISPs to block some of the world’s largest file-sharing sites. A company spokesman gave a SOPA-style reason for their actions, claiming that site blocking is the only way they can stop foreign sites from engaging in “rampant online piracy.” Megaupload says the ban presents a great opportunity for them to test their anti-blocking technologies."


An article from this link

If nothing else makes it clear what megaupload was, I think that will. The article was posted on december 27th 2011.

I can't help but simplify all this as adults speaking to a child. If you abuse your toys, don't cry when we take them away from you. Freedom is a wonderful thing, right up until you take into account human nature. I can't help but feel that piracy has simply outgrown any legitimate uses of file-sharing sites. I can't imagine well behaved services such a dropbox will be affected, but certainly the publicly searchable sites that anyone can upload too without restriction need to be taken down, if they don't mend their ways.

Personally I hope bittorrents go next, as well as the p2p programs. It'll be a blow to open source projects like linux, but it's getting to the point now where people have simply behaved so badly that they should get their toys taken away.
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Posted: 26th Jan 2012 23:11
Quote: "Personally I hope bittorrents go next, as well as the p2p programs. It'll be a blow to open source projects like linux, but it's getting to the point now where people have simply behaved so badly that they should get their toys taken away."

Or perhaps the content companies should entice the kids away from drawing on the walls with candy or some other goodies.

I agree with Gabe Newell when he says:
Quote: ""We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable.""

source

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Posted: 26th Jan 2012 23:14
Quote: "Personally I hope bittorrents go next, as well as the p2p programs."


Bittorrents are a protocol, so I really don't see how you can get rid of that. I also don't see how you can get rid of p2p programs either.

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Posted: 26th Jan 2012 23:17
Bittorrents are awesome (as webb downloads are crappy speed compared to torrents)
I always use torrents when i can..


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Posted: 28th Jan 2012 23:40 Edited at: 28th Jan 2012 23:43
Quote: "Personally I hope bittorrents go next, as well as the p2p programs. It'll be a blow to open source projects like linux, but it's getting to the point now where people have simply behaved so badly that they should get their toys taken away."


This is the exact sort of attitude that I will never be able to understand. Sadly so many politicians seem to share your opinion.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2012 17:11 Edited at: 29th Jan 2012 17:12
So punish the well behaved kids by taking their toys away because the bad kid is misbehaving. Doesn't seem fair. Yes, something should be done, but the point is, why should innocent people suffer the consequences for crimes they don't commit? BitTorrent is incredibly useful for people who want to use it legally, but also useful for people who use it illegally. Making BitTorrent illegal won't stop people using it illegally, they'll just keep using it or a work around whilst honest people have to make-do without or just break the law by using it, even if for legitimate purposes.

After all, a bit torrent is just a peer to peer network, even if it could be stopped there's methods of working around it.

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Posted: 1st Feb 2012 10:01 Edited at: 1st Feb 2012 10:22
This is actually the start of something much bigger that will occur this year actually. Many sites are at risk. If you look into it deeply almost every single website on the planet that allows for uploading has illegal activity running through it, mainly by its uploaders though. Allowing this is actually ilegal. You can actually pretty much say goodbye to youtube very soon. There's an act that will be passed soon ironically made by the US, for global officials to sign. It will pretty much shutdown our ability to upload anything online really. Say you made a home video and you uploaded it to youtube and in the video had content that was not owned by you, say a product in the background, even something as small as a popcan or music running through it -- the entire video will get pulled down. This will also happen with such photo-sharing sites as flickr.

piratebay is already in trouble and has been for quite sometime. It just keeps shifting ownership thats why it still exists today. But after that act is passed, you can say goodbye to any site that could ever possibly hold files not uploaded by companies themselves. General users are at risk of being able to share the files. Who knows what will happen to our messenger systems that allowing file sharing and emails. Though the priority is the most visible problems. So person to person sharing by software or email isn't a big an issue as a visable website showing ilegally uploaded data, avilable for downloads.

Once the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is passed all these sites will disappear very quickly. But whats worse is any cotent you upload anywhere that has anything in it that is not owned by you will be targetted as well. So in a way this ACTA act will actually affected more than just priates. It will affect you.

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Posted: 1st Feb 2012 10:11
I was hoping someone else would post this but I think its www.megaretrieval.com. was setup to give legitimate users I think two weeks chance to erm retrieve their data not checked it as I do not use erm never used nor never liked MU so do not know how this works... hope this helped

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Posted: 1st Feb 2012 23:32
Quote: "It just keeps shifting ownership thats why it still exists today."


Well no. It's just that technically it's not doing anything wrong other than linking to copyrighted material.

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Posted: 27th Feb 2012 16:16
Oh well, nothing much can be done now about Megaupload filesharing site being shut down by the feds, we'll just have to wait and see how this whole thing plays out in the end.

Meanwhile, there are quite a few alternatives to Megaupload filesharing that are are probably pretty good.

Plus new ones surface all the time.

Like I was reading a couple of days about some audial anywhwere piece of software that presumably will be a good alternative to megaupload filesharing and that will allow for easier accessing your files anywhere or something similar to this, unfortunately don't remember anything more about this app.

Anyhow I for one am pretty sure filesharing sites won't go anywhere anytime soon, they'll surely find ways to stay alive.
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Posted: 1st Mar 2012 13:25
Hey guys, if anyone's interested just managed to find out a bit more info on that audials anywhere program.

They call it personal media cloud, though I see no specs for the cloud like storing space and stuff like that. Plus it comes with a invite based filesharing feature that looks like it lets you invite your friends to browse, stream and save media files from your collection.

Idk, looks kinda good plus seems to me it should be more secure than p2p filesharing sites like Megaupload and others...
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Posted: 1st Mar 2012 16:04
Sounds like dropbox to me.

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Posted: 5th Mar 2012 16:55
Dropobox?Hmm,idk maybe there's some resemblance to that one though there's no info about cloud storage space or anything like that...

There's indeed some more [href=www.personalmediacloud.com]info on the new audials anywhere media cloud[/href] app , but nothing related to that.

Idk, haven't tried it yet but suppose it looks pretty interesting.
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Dropobox?Hmm,idk maybe there's some resemblance to that one though there's no info about cloud storage space or anything like that...

There's indeed some more [href=www.personalmediacloud.com]info on the new audials anywhere media cloud[/href] app , but nothing related to that.

Idk, haven't tried it yet but suppose it looks pretty interesting.
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Police made 'errors' during raid on Megaupload boss

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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 18:21
Nice one Nickydude


how can his assets be his when he was clearly a criminal?

I feel sorry for the children if any [I dunno...] but I think giving back stolen goods to a criminal is what the so called justice law seems to do very often these days and always leave the victim in the pan...

There was a documentary on the Beeb regarding how criminals get treated like superstars and victims are left to rot... [my metaphoric way of putting it...]

I dunno... THE LAW = PAN these days its a huge joke for law abiding people... [this is a weird one this is not a political debate nor religious so talking about "THE LAW" is ok right?]

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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 18:33 Edited at: 19th Mar 2012 18:35
Thing is, the police were way out of line. Everyone knows Kim Dotcom is a crook, but for the special forces to barge in with machine guns drawn and ask the nanny with the kids if there's any guns or bombs around, and then to lie to the media about a shotgun being found in kim's red room, yeah, the operation was messed up. Not to mention it didn't need special forces intervention anyway, this isn't osama bin friggin' laden.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 18:52
Well like I said... I feel sorry for the children as they are innocent

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If the police messes up then its a mess up - no excuses really


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Quote: "If the police messes up then its a mess up - no excuses really"


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