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Geek Culture / So What Exactly Is Going On With SOPA & PIPA

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nonZero
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Posted: 24th Jan 2012 10:49
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From what I can tell, the bills SOPA & PIPA are dead ... "but not really"
Apparently the voting's being "indefinitely suspended":
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/sopa-bill-shelved-after-global-protests-from-google-wikipedia-and-others/2012/01/20/gIQAN5JdEQ_story.html
By that definition, the "war" isn't over. Also came across this:
http://www.cio.com/article/698482/SOPA_PIPA_Stalled_Meet_the_OPEN_Act
which seems to be a fair solution to online piracy as they claim it puts the power in more neutral hands and it doesn't permit corporate to shut down entire websites over one page with infringing material. Also it's claimed to be geared more towards taking "intentions" of a site into account which means legitimate sites shouldn't get killed over abuse from pirates. I dunno, I'm still a little weary though. Dunno who or what to trust these days

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Posted: 24th Jan 2012 22:54 Edited at: 24th Jan 2012 22:55
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Looks like SOPA and PIPA are stopped for now...? And that 'OPEN Act' does seem better than SOPA/PIPA atleast. I really want to read up on these things, if only I had more time and wasn't so tired right now.

Also, I'm sorry to hijack your thread, but I just stumbled across 'ACTA'


At first I thought this video was exaggerating, but this already started some years ago, I even think I've seen it on the media before but had other things to care about at the time. I don't know what to make of this, and can't focus on reading all that regulations and agreements shoe. I'm sure if ACTA is such a threat to the internet, similar to SOPA/PIPA, then someone here knows more about this?

And I'll just toss in some links to wikipedia and stuff, I'll try to read some of this now or maybe later.

Wikipedia
Site linked in video description

From wikipedia:
Quote: "Poland announced on January 19 that it will sign the treaty on January 26, 2012. A number of Polish government websites, including that of the President and Polish Parliament, were shut down by denial of service attacks that started January 21, akin to protests against SOPA and PIPA that had happened two days previous."

Seems like this is still an issue right now. I still don't know if this thing is worse than SOPA/PIPA or not. Seriously, I started out looking at pony art, got sidetracked, and now this. It makes me want to tie up all those people and make them watch MLP:FiM or something. And don't get me wrong, I don't support copyright infringement or piracy, but they want to make the ISPs responsible for what their users do, or something like that? What the hell? That'd break the Internet even more than SOPA would 've done.

Still, I don't know what to make of this yet, I hope I got this wrong. But I'm starting to doubt this is any better.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2012 08:04
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Quote: "Also, I'm sorry to hijack your thread, but I just stumbled across 'ACTA'"

It's cool, it doesn't count as a hijack unless it goes off-topic, ie "Hey guys, check out my awesome new [xyz] I'm offering it to all TGC members at a discount!!! ... ... ... Oh yeah down with censorship etc etc etc". So this is fine, it's on topic and it's good. I was gonna start a new thread about ACTA actually so this blends rather neatly into it. Here's an EFF link, detailing what is publicly available about it.
https://www.eff.org/issues/acta
Now wanting ISPs to keep logs on everyone is insane! The amount of storage they'll need will push their costs up and, by ripple effect, their customers' and, by ripple effect, big business... Ends at the poor consumer who's now paying more for his internet and cost of living. Not to mention the consequences it has on freedom of speech and privacy. And that's just the beginning.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2012 09:31
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You all became so obsessed by it, and can't spend a minute without, primarily i'm talking about the new handheld device explosion nowadays... that you can't say "WE ARE JUST GONNA STOP USING IT THEN, HAA!!!" anymore, don't you?

Maybe it would be the right time, to rethink your relation to this thing they call THEEE Internet.

Me? I have a nice little 1Mbit connection for 5 bucks a month, i come here once or twice a day, and rarely use my email, hell i say go to hell to it as soon as it becomes a commercial TV channel, with no second thought given to it. Just like i don't watch TV anymore.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2012 09:43
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Quote: "primarily i'm talking about the new handheld device explosion nowadays... that you can't say "WE ARE JUST GONNA STOP USING IT THEN, HAA!!!" anymore, don't you?"


when it comes to handheld devices: I only use my phone, and i only use it to call and paly games.

And i dont call or text that often -> just when i need a favor/need to contact somebody
And that happens rarily: yes, i can stop using it. There isnt any problem with that since my prime use of communication is my computer, Skype and facebook.

About that TV: I dont watch tv at all -> and if i do i record the show i want to see. I see no reason to sit through commercials, especially considering i PAY to SEE commercials.

No, screw Commercials.


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Posted: 25th Jan 2012 13:11 Edited at: 25th Jan 2012 13:12
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Quote: "You all became so obsessed by it, and can't spend a minute without, primarily i'm talking about the new handheld device explosion nowadays... that you can't say "WE ARE JUST GONNA STOP USING IT THEN, HAA!!!" anymore, don't you?

Maybe it would be the right time, to rethink your relation to this thing they call THEEE Internet.

Me? I have a nice little 1Mbit connection for 5 bucks a month, i come here once or twice a day, and rarely use my email, hell i say go to hell to it as soon as it becomes a commercial TV channel, with no second thought given to it. Just like i don't watch TV anymore."

Except there's many big companies and an economy with jobs that all depends on the Internet. That's like saying "Oh hey they're gonna record every single phone call and cut your phone line if they want to." "But we're just all going to stop using telephones now! Ha!" What they're trying to do is wrong. It seems like some media companies or whatever they are start to suspect everyone of piracy/copyright infringement until proven innocent, instead of the other way round.

I don't think I depend on my cellphone, I rarely use it. And I could do without the Internet, but that's not even the point here.
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Posted: 26th Jan 2012 06:34 Edited at: 26th Jan 2012 06:45
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ACTA is worse, it was developed in secret about 2 years ago, i made a post of it on TGC back then.
It is still being developed in secret, Today, the 26th, it is being signed in Japan (you guessed it, secretly). While this isnt completely the final move, some countries such as ireland and poland will rush to use it.
If you want to keep up to date with this sort of news, do NOT use news website, you need to get the information straight from a hivemind. Reddit has been leading the operations so far against SOPA and ACTA including the blackout.

SOPA/ACTA/PIPA, were never defeated.
ACTA was suspended about 2 years ago due to the contents of it, but the contents have supposedly not changed. A common misconception is that USA is not affected by ACTA.
SOPA and PIPA are exclusive to USA, which generally are worse than ACTA. However, the scary thing is that at least with these bills we know completely whats going on, and not needing inside people to tell us.

SOPA operations: http://www.reddit.com/r/SOPA
ACTA operations: http://www.reddit.com/r/ACTA
PIPA operations: http://www.reddit.com/r/PIPA
(usually the information overlaps, and sometimes its posted in other subreddits)

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Posted: 26th Jan 2012 08:47
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Well just signed the Avaaz campaigns too. This ACTA secracy thing is wrong. Then again, when have governments and corporations ever been transparent?

I suppose this is natural evolution (or regression really): Government & Corporate get control over the written word on paper, then the radio, then the television. Each of these things goes from centers of expression to portals or propaganda and misdirection (throw in a little entertainment just to keep us happy). I've just realised as I sit here that even if these bills get tossed, what's to stop more coming to take their place? It worries me, it really does.

Maybe we do have to re-consider our relationship with the internet after all... The questions remains though; why should we?

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Posted: 26th Jan 2012 22:43
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great, so apparantly Acta just passed in sweden... >_>


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Posted: 26th Jan 2012 23:08
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And there are protests about it in Poland, I saw it in the news today.

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Posted: 27th Jan 2012 00:11 Edited at: 27th Jan 2012 00:12
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22 of the European states signed it, and while Germany didn't sign it yet, they apparently have already decided to do so since novemeber 2011...
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http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120126/11014317553/european-parliament-official-charge-acta-quits-denounces-masquerade-behind-acta.shtml

That there happened, while on german news sites I always find quotes about how "no laws need to be changed" and that theres "no plan to adjust german laws on data protection" and all that stuff. If they wouldn't change anything, then why are they doing this, and why is it done secretly.
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Posted: 27th Jan 2012 06:52
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Quote: "22 of the European states signed it, and while Germany didn't sign it yet, they apparently have already decided to do so since novemeber 2011..."


apparantly thats just signing some kind of paper as a.. kind of sign(?)
Its not to be decided until Juni/juli i cant remember which one though...

made me a bit more optimistic, still


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Posted: 27th Jan 2012 15:47
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Well, all we can do is just keep spreading the word...again. Badger friends/family to sign petitions again, blog about it again and email/mail/phone our representatives again. Keep trudging through the trenches towards the light of freedom.

It kinda sad, but a friend and I had an argument some years back where I said it was inevitable that the internet would be policed and censored one day and he insisted it wouldn't and that I was talking out and alternative orifice. Let's hope he turns out to be right.

On the up side, with long-ranged independent communications growing at a steady pace, there may be a new form of networking around the corner.

Quote: "The Technology and Infrastructure for Emerging Regions (TIER) project at University of California at Berkeley in collaboration with Intel, uses a modified Wi-Fi setup to create long-distance point-to-point links for several of its projects in the developing world.[3] This technique, dubbed Wi-Fi over Long Distance (WiLD), is used to connect the Aravind Eye Hospital with several outlying clinics in Tamil Nadu state, India.[4] Distances range from five (5) to over fifteen (15) kilometers (3–10 miles) with stations placed in line of sight of each other. These links allow specialists at the hospital to communicate with nurses and patients at the clinics through video conferencing. If the patient needs further examination or care, a hospital appointment can then be scheduled. Another network in Ghana links the University of Ghana, Legon campus to its remote campuses at the Korle bu Medical School and the City campus; a further extension will feature links up to 80 km (50 mi) apart."


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-range_Wi-Fi

I know it's still in its infancy but the it looks promising. The internet too had to start somewhere. If long-distance wifi evolved sufficiently, we could set up our own private networks over seriously large distances. With the right placement, we could link just about anywhere in the world by relaying the signal across our own, personal, private servers. Perhaps I'm being a little optimistic and overlooking pragmatism, but one can dream.

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with a cantenna you can get a mile or two in distance. Great way to network with your close neighbor


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I guess if this internet gets bad enough, we can always make a new, better internet separate from our current internet.

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Lets make backup innnenet, which will activate once this one fall!


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