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KeithC
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Posted: 21st Feb 2012 09:49 Edited at: 21st Feb 2012 10:07
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AUP IS IN EFFECT


Yes; at first glance this sticky looks like trouble, I'll admit that.

I'd like to discuss an issue that seems to pop up now and then; and is a re-occurring problem that really needs to be addressed here with the Community: Using the name jesus, or Jesus in a post.

(Replace "jesus", with any other biblical or religious-type name if you wish)

I've infrequently seen a post pop up here or there in different areas of the TGC Boards, using the name "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" (I capitalize this name, so there's no confusion). Almost every time it happens; it's clearly not meant to offend, but is more of the keyboard equivalent of a "slip of the tongue". Does it violate the AUP? In the context (ie., capitalizing the name) I've laid out above; yes it does. In this case; a quick email to a Moderator will solve that issue. As I said; most of the time it's a slip of the tongue of the "offending" poster, and can be easily remedied.

The problems begin, when another "offended" poster decides to post purely to let others know how offended they are by that slip. Then the thread is slowly taken over by two or more of the contributing posters. Sometimes these threads are locked because of it; through no fault of the O.P. (Original Poster). Sometimes the thread is merely cleaned up....occasionally with a few posters getting moderated.

What we all need to remember; is that not all people of the World believe in what we believe. Does that mean anyone can post whatever they want about someone else's divine inclinations? No; it does not. But people shouldn't have to walk on "eggshells" either. Just as in "real-life"; we all need to grow a bit of a thicker skin, when it comes to life's little verbal slips. Some of the posts I've read by those offended, bordered on preaching of their Religion...which definitely isn't tolerated here.

As I've indicated; this is a touchy subject for many, but I feel it needs to be addressed. I'd appreciate any and all input here.....as long as it doesn't breach the AUP. I can't stress that last part enough.

AUP IS IN EFFECT


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Posted: 21st Feb 2012 10:04
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Jesus Christ...

(This was a joke, and i also feel like this as well)


I've never considered Jesus' name as swearing. (?!)

And this is a UK forum, please don't start the same like in the US, where people are offended even by the fact that the one next to them is from a different religion, what's next, you're gonna start a topic discussing that the mentioning of Christmas may offend jews?

"let's all just say happy holidays" ?!?!

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What if someone was to use the name, but spell it differently and at the same time fully knowing what they have done? Would they get away with it, because the name had some letters changed/added to make it sound different, but when read you would instantly know what they had meant.

Kind of like the word shoe, people are using that to hide behind using a swear word, but nothing is ever done about it and it is quite obvious that they are using the word to swear and not get caught because of it.

Could slip of the tongue also be classed as accidental trolling? Is that not just a way to let someone off? What if that person clearly knows what they are doing, that then turns into trolling in their eyes, but not in some others.

There are all sorts of problems that can rise up and people would have different opinions on them.

Just so I don't somehow get accidentally slapped somehow, these are my thoughts, in no way are they meant to annoy anyone or upset anyone (kind of feel like I have to explain myself in this thread now xD).
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Posted: 21st Feb 2012 10:10 Edited at: 21st Feb 2012 10:12
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I agree with this. Its called freedom of speech.

People should have equal rights to say "God bless you" or "Oh God..." on this board.
As long as the message isn't intended to cause offence, then its fine.

If you are offended by people using "the lord's name in vane", then you should just respect that persons right to do so, and just avoid that person if you didn't like that they said. Same applies if you don't like people saying "God bless X"
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Posted: 21st Feb 2012 10:17
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Personally; I think having a rather strict policy on Religion (and politics) is a "necessary evil". But it is aimed more at those that willfully seek to inflame passions or debate on the subject. Using another word to mean the same thing is tricky. If it's used because the person either doesn't want to disrespect the entity (or it's/his/her) followers; then that's one thing. If it's used along with derogatory leanings, that's another...and is subject to the AUP.

There will always be those who try to skirt the AUP; purely to get a reaction out of people (and Mods). Those people can be dealt with; as not everything is covered in the AUP, and a Moderator has wide discretion.

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Quote: "Kind of like the word shoe, people are using that to hide behind using a swear word, but nothing is ever done about it and it is quite obvious that they are using the word to swear and not get caught because of it."


It might just be part of their upbringing, so saying shoe all the time might come naturally (if they are from a strict parenting background)

Quote: "Could slip of the tongue also be classed as accidental trolling? Is that not just a way to let someone off? What if that person clearly knows what they are doing, that then turns into trolling in their eyes, but not in some others."


I think slip of the tongue is the wrong phrase used, its more a case of; saying the phrase is just natural to that person, so its said without malice or thought.
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Quote: "I think slip of the tongue is the wrong phrase used, its more a case of; saying the phrase is just natural to that person, so its said without malice or thought."


This is more along the lines of what I was trying to express. This doesn't excuse the person from using that name/word; but it also doesn't warrant a written "tongue-lashing" from an offended party. As I said; a quick email to any Moderator will fix it.

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Quote: "What if someone was to use the name, but spell it differently and at the same time fully knowing what they have done? Would they get away with it, because the name had some letters changed/added to make it sound different, but when read you would instantly know what they had meant."


Get away with it? I believe the point Keith was making was that we're allowed to do it as long as it's not with malicious intent, and that those that are offended about something so insignificant need to grow a thicker skin. I think it's a good point.



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Quote: "This is more along the lines of what I was trying to express. This doesn't excuse the person from using that name/word; but it also doesn't warrant a written "tongue-lashing" from an offended party. As I said; a quick email to any Moderator will fix it.
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Indeed, but you shouldn't expect the comment to be removed if its deemed to be said without malice.
That person could equally find it offensive to have their comments policed by someone who simply shares a different view to them.

If it was said to intentionally cause upset, then we can act upon it.
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Posted: 21st Feb 2012 10:25
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Yep; as I said, it's ultimately up to the Moderators to decide what action to take....situation dependent.

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I have a question. What if (let's say) I'm a flat-Earther and someone purposely points out the roundness of the Earth in order to offend me? Or if I'm a young-Earth creationist and someone intentionally mentions something that happened before 6000 years ago just to rile me up? Can I get a moderator to remove their comment?

I know it sounds like a silly comparison but I think it's a valid one.



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Posted: 21st Feb 2012 10:36
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If a comment is meant to make a point about religion or someone's specific belief system in a derogatory way; the comment can get removed. However; there is a fine line between something that is religious, and something that is merely being made up to start an argument...if that makes any sense.

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Posted: 21st Feb 2012 10:37 Edited at: 21st Feb 2012 10:37
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Quote: "However; there is a fine line between something that is religious, and something that is merely being made up to start an argument...if that makes any sense."


A very blurry line one might say?

[edit] Assuming you mean when someone claims that something is their belief, as opposed to just saying that to start an argument.



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Posted: 21st Feb 2012 11:11 Edited at: 21st Feb 2012 11:12
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I just want to add... some Names one in particular mentioned already which has a second name in another religion...

Both those names are PEOPLES NAMES not just biblical people prophets names... I have met several people with both those names from varied religious backgrounds...

So just wanted to point out that particular names unless DIRECTIONALLY MENTIONED should be ignored as Dick is just a name... unless rephrased in any other ways...

Point Proven here

So I think Names of certain types MUST be exempt from the AUP as calling them RELIGIOUS is plainly absurd... However I agree with contexual reasoning...

And as mentioned upbringings can sometimes be reflected... theres been occasions where I wanted to use certain words and phrases erm paraphrases? but as I am aware of certain rules I made the effort to rephrase however I feel that WRITERS BLOCK sometimes gets in the way of thought processing and can sometimes Hinder creative writing in the sense that it could put someone off mid way during a thought process and ruin the original intentional post if you get me...

Just my few cents...

But just to be clear... I am not against the AUP in any way aside from when something simply gets locked without even challenging the issue... {I respect you guys do not have much time as I can share the same notion} like just editing it or asking to change it if someone feels offended... thats just plain rude... and again a hinderence... and as mentioned we're all creatives [well most of us are] on here and subconsciencely we all mean something good and creatively correct but to have some level of creative flair we have certain flaws... [fact 101] so sometimes maybe write something and mistakenly write something silly... and before realising it the chance to change is stolen... so anyway ive been on here for over 9 hours now... my weekly input on here is time out mode time... hopefully this new regime of mine will allow me to create some funky stuff in DBpro now...

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In a world where everyone is so easily offended, it's not everyone else's responsibility to watch what they say. I agree, some people need a thicker skin. But I also think in the name of community cohesion we don't tolerate deliberately malicious comments. I personally think that's a fair compromise, and we can leave it to the fair judgement of the community to decide what's deliberately offensive and what's not.

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Quote: "In a world where everyone is so easily offended, it's not everyone else's responsibility to watch what they say. I agree, some people need a thicker skin. But I also think in the name of community cohesion we don't tolerate deliberately malicious comments. I personally think that's a fair compromise, and we can leave it to the fair judgement of the community to decide what's deliberately offensive and what's not."


Contradiction 101 lol but yeah I agree

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That's a good summation of the issue, by Zoto.

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Posted: 21st Feb 2012 11:37 Edited at: 21st Feb 2012 11:46
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Simple, lets ALL keep things civil, be respectful of one and another and understand we ALL come from different backgrounds and something becomes offensive for any one person, then I guess we should respect that, but of course it is actually quite a difficult one when we strongly disagree with somebody for any given reason, but I'm sure people are able to bite their tongue for the sake of civility. I know I often stretch out on religion and politics, but I try to see to it that the conversation remains civil, I wouldn't want it otherwise.

Also because: there are groups of people in the world who find homosexuality offensive (perhaps out of religious views) and people who find suppressing homosexuals to be offensive. So if we had somebody who was openly gay, would that not offend somebody who dislikes homosexuality whilst on the other hand silencing the homosexual could not only offend the homosexual, but civil rights supporters too.

With this topic being brought up, I'm just curious as to how the mod team would deal with a situation like that. On one side you've got a person's religion and on the other side a person's sexuality.


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Sepp you forgot the third weight... Belief... those Civil Right supporters etc

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Quote: "I also think in the name of community cohesion we don't tolerate deliberately malicious comments."


I think it's safe to say we have never tolerated deliberately malicious comments.



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Quote: "With this topic being brought up, I'm just curious as to how the mod team would deal with a situation like that. On one side you've got a person's religion and on the other side a person's sexuality."


My understanding is that merely being gay doesn't count as a deliberate attack on someone else. Having a belief or a certain kind of lifestyle should be perfectly permissible. I can understand if people don't like that, but the onus isn't on the gay person to turn straight or stop talking about it. No, the onus is on the offend-ee to not go and start trouble over an unresolvable disagreement.

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I personally am on the side of the civil rights on it, but I've encountered people (not so much here) that have considered a person talking about it to be offensive, whilst obviously the person talking about it isn't being malicious, which I suppose doesn't count.

If the mods are simply acting on anything that's malicious as opposed to offensive, then I guess that's different, maybe I misunderstood.

I've just always wondered how what's offensive and what isn't offensive is decided without taking any bias.


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Posted: 21st Feb 2012 12:26 Edited at: 21st Feb 2012 12:29
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Quote: "I've just always wondered how what's offensive and what isn't offensive is decided without taking any bias."

That's probably one of the tricky parts of being a moderator; separating yourself from the situation and looking at it from a third-party perspective and then deciding the course of action to take.

Edit: Adding to my above sentence.

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I used to moderate a religious discussion forum and it was definitely difficult looking at things from a non-biased perspective (though as team we strived to do it, despite accusations we faced), but of course the difference between that forum and this one is that we encouraged people to take the discourse, but then it was kind of the purpose of the forum.


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Quote: "With this topic being brought up, I'm just curious as to how the mod team would deal with a situation like that. On one side you've got a person's religion and on the other side a person's sexuality."


You can never know what situations can bring and as always mods will handle them with an unbiased response. I won't go into my own opinion on the matter but a person who is homosexual shouldn't feel scared or threatened to post on these forums without being judged or attacked by other's because of who they are. I'll always consider this a 'racial' attack.

At the same time if that person starts to take swings at religions or certain people then actions will be taken.

As stated before , if the intent is to throw some stinky diapers into a crowd and see who get's hit then I'm going to get out 'Vera'.

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I suppose that's a fair way of doing it. Cheers for the answer. I've reread the OP, I think now that I'm more awake it makes a lot more sense.


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Vera aounds Foxy...

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I love how Shoe has spread <3

at any rate: shoe is just something i did for fun tbh, because one time i felt like i needed an swear word to increases the power of the sentence, but i changed it to shoe and, well
IMO it works but as ive always said, if the mods go against it, it has to stop right?


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Please, please stop using the word shoe. It's annoying. In any context where you could swear, but don't need to for it to make sense, then it's not going to be funny anyway.

On the religion point, I guess I've always assumed that we have a non-spoken agreement to not get offended too quickly. I know there are plenty of religious folks around here and I know that I occasionally say Jesus just offhand, and I hope they aren't offended by that, in the same way that I don't care when people say 'God bless'. Most people here seem to have quite thick skin anyhow.

Mutual respect and a good sense of humour etc etc

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Quote: "Please, please stop using the word shoe. It's annoying."


Even though i understand it, its kind of like me saying: Change your name it's annoying.


Unless you find it offensive or the like I do not plan on changing the way i speak in this forum..


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Well okay, no-one's forcing you to take my advice. But that doesn't stop it from being childish.

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Quote: "I love how Shoe has spread"

I am not trying to stop you or anything like that, it really doesn't bother me, but using this in the sentence above leaves no doubt what your saying and is really no different than using ****,which in effect is blatantly breaking the AUP.

Lol, you see what I did there

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Quote: "But that doesn't stop it from being childish."


I watch ponies, do you really think i care about it being childish?

@Rolfy: Think i have made it very clear from the beginning i was using it in that manner:S


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Quote: "@Rolfy: Think i have made it very clear from the beginning i was using it in that manner:S"

Yes I know, but if someone were to complain about it, I gaurantee you would be stopped particularly since you admit yourself your skipping round the AUP.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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I have also said that as long as mods are fine with it, it will continue
if mods start going against it, it will go away (as stated in my very first post here)


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Shoe reminds me of that episode of Recess, where to get of trouble from using a bad word they invent a new one and then they get in trouble anyway. I don't think it's necessarily childish, but just some means of expressing some manner of speech without actually offending somebody or at least trying to avoid it. At least that's how I understood it. Wonder if kids still watch Recess? I loved that show when growing up.

You'll notice I replace blasphemy with certain phrases like "by Merlin's beard!" but it doesn't seem to cause so much of an annoyance...plus I've actually grown to like it better than the original blasphemy itself.


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Saying shoe *is* annoying to me, but it's technically not against the rules. It's one of those Internet things that I don't understand, and I don't find it funny at all. In fact it usually makes me skip over the paragraph entirely, much like shorthand IRC speak does.


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To put it into perspective, if you were to tell someone they are talking shoe, then it would be breaking the AUP without question, so its relevant only in context I guess.
The same could be said or using Jesus, jesus or whatever in a blatantly offensive way, if its just a minor slip that wouldnt offend the majority then its no reason for a slap or ban whatever and easily fixed by removing it, I dont think a thread should be locked in this case as it merely draws more attention to it, but if its used in anger then its worthy of moderation.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Posted: 21st Feb 2012 21:48 Edited at: 21st Feb 2012 21:51
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Not too sure why everyone's trying to tread lightly by saying this covers all religions, when it's quite obvious that it's saying 'Jesus' in a non-religious context that offends some people. People don't say Buddha or Mohammed when they stub their toe.

Basically the point is, if someone posts something flippant and says something like Jesus "flowery adjective here" Christ! or goes off on a rant, feel free to email me or another mod and I'll edit it out. I too get offended when I hear people say things like that, but personally I don't care enough to point it out or make a scene. However, the normality of someone getting frustrated and saying something like "Jesus" is, while unfortunate, a part of life in the 21st century, and you shouldn't let it get to you. I don't let it get to me, because I believe my salvation is determined by my own acts and not those around me, and you all should try to be more like me.


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Curse words or alternatives still portray nothing more than a specific emotional reaction... am I not right?

so no matter what, be it Shoe or the above mentioned its emotional... and I do not see the need to use aggressive phrasing on this forum... as the following sentence just about covers every angering emotion without being overly rude...

Quote: "I really Dislike you and you are really annoying please just stay away from me or just stop stalking me on this forum."


so whats you guys thoughts on this?

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Quote: "However, the normality of someone getting frustrated and saying something like "Jesus" is, while unfortunate, a part of life in the 21st century, and you shouldn't let it get to you."

I wouldn't be offended by that, thing is we have plenty of time to look at what were saying here and can correct it before hitting the post button, so its not really excusable in the way as described.

I dont really get offended, more annoyed at a lack of tact when these things occur.

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I forgot to add my cunning line...

I actually enjoy phrasing irritances or anger like if I realised I coded something in a daft way... I might say something like...

Quote: "I just noticed I pushed a crate over the edge of Mount Everest..."




No rude words or gestures... just an explanation of my emotional feeling



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Corrected titles and bolded, its a name so must be in caps... erm start with caps...

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And I think it makes for fun reading too

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but i never use shoe, or the like, AGAINST somebody

mostly like this: "WOW thats so shoey amazing!"


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Quote: " So if we had somebody who was openly gay..."


Nobody goes out of their way to be openly heterosexual. In fact if they did, they would most likely be flamed as sexist, perverse or at the very least insensitive.

So you could argue that being openly anything is being provocative.

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Seppuku Arts
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I'm openly an atheist, but it doesn't mean I'm going out of my way to do anything, I'm just more than happy to discuss it or even just say it, no shoving down throats or making a point about it. Though I'd argue people are openly heterosexual, I mean we've just had a thread where Anayar was scared his girlfriend was cheating on him. Of course, that's nothing. If it was about 2 guys, I'd hope that it wouldn't cause a stir.

Quote: "Not too sure why everyone's trying to tread lightly by saying this covers all religions, when it's quite obvious that it's saying 'Jesus' in a non-religious context that offends some people. People don't say Buddha or Mohammed when they stub their toe."


I think the reason it happens is because we live in societies that's have had a strong Christian history and it has entered our language. However, I am referred to as a 'Buddha buddy' because I've grown a 'Buddha belly'. I suspect any members living in a Buddhist or Islamic country won't be take Jesus' name in vain. But most people here are from the Americas, UK, Aussieland and various parts of Europe, all places with a strong history with Christianity. Sometimes I too read things that irk me or may even cause offence but know getting along is a good thing.

Despite my questions, when we had a guy in here who showed religious views that many find detestable (some might know who I'm talking about) and somebody with my views would find incredibly offensive, but I actually got on with the guy and he got along back despite what my views were, I just wasn't judging him for it.

I think people can try to be more conscious of what they say and understand the very important point, we're all of different backgrounds and experiences...it's only really in joining an online community I've found that 'harmless phrases' are terribly offensive to others. Of course you don't want to be standing on shells as opinions will be shared, conversations will happen and so will slips of the tongue. It's best to keep calm, have your say, be civil and if you feel the need to say something provocative or malicious, walk away. Of course, as far as religion and politics are involved...you guys already got the rules covered.

And from what I've seen, you guys act if it looks like it might develop into a problem, but not stepping in and nuking straight away and even joining in and keeping it civil.


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I've got a far better idea. Why not add the name to the swear filter? That way those who are disgusted with hearing the son's name being used in vain don't have to hear it, and those that are disgusted with those that use it in a sincere manner don't have to either.

Quote: "To put it into perspective, if you were to tell someone they are talking shoe, then it would be breaking the AUP without question, so its relevant only in context I guess."


The AUP covers profanity, not the intention of profanity itself (if you want to consider the word 'shoe' that).

Quote: "I don't let it get to me, because I believe my salvation is determined by my own acts and not those around me"


I always thought that as a Christian it's your duty to save others, not just yourself? Not 100% sure on that though, I've never studied any religion in depth (to be honest I find Norse mythology more interesting).



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Without sounding overly funny... but we do get Preechers of C/C++ and the like going around the DBPro threads XD... that sometimes annoys me lol

Theres a time and a place to preech such things

[not aimed at anybody in particular just a jokish point and observation]

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Then I think I shall put my racism towards anybody living in France aside. Norse mythology is awesome.


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Oh, you're in trouble now! Oooops, so am I.

Yes, "shoe" is silly. So what? That's the point. It's fun to be silly. It doesn't say anything about your manhood if you're silly once in a while. This is a game forum, not a Wall Street forum. Please, have fun.

I have no qualms with any religion that isn't forced on me. That goes for any belief, political affiliation or sexual orientation, or love of ponies even. I'm more offended by people who get offended whenever someone mentions something that doesn't fit into their belief system. What ever happened to live and let live? But of course, the forum must have rules or we'll run rampant in the threads... naked. It's just the nature of the beast.

It's great if the Mods and the rest of us can see the difference between a reference to something we live by, and a sales pitch. I don't expect a Christian to NOT mention Christ any more than I expect a game developer to NOT mention games. It's what they do day by day. It's their life. The problem is that someone will always try to push the envelope and someone else will cry offense, both of them being wrong in my opinion for not respecting each other enough to act accordingly. In a perfect world, right?

It's not just this forum we have to think about. As a business, TGC has to fall in line with the rest of the world. If they allow the posting of religious and political content, it could adversely affect them. I don't envy the MODs and I don't see any way to change the existing system except for all of us to be more tolerant of each other.

Brian.

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