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Green Gandalf
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Posted: 22nd Feb 2012 19:10
Is Jerico2day struggling to tell us something?
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Posted: 22nd Feb 2012 21:57
Quote: "I always thought that as a Christian it's your duty to save others, not just yourself? Not 100% sure on that though, I've never studied any religion in depth (to be honest I find Norse mythology more interesting)."


If people ask me questions about it, I'll point them in the right direction. I don't go out of my way to preach at everyone, because I'm not a skilled theologian, and people don't like to be bothered. It's not a duty.


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Posted: 22nd Feb 2012 22:39
Rolfy said:

Quote: "Quote: "However, the normality of someone getting frustrated and saying something like "Jesus" is, while unfortunate, a part of life in the 21st century, and you shouldn't let it get to you."

I wouldn't be offended by that, thing is we have plenty of time to look at what were saying here and can correct it before hitting the post button, so its not really excusable in the way as described.

I dont really get offended, more annoyed at a lack of tact when these things occur."


I get the impression that most people on this thread would agree with that.

I'm happy for the mods to continue in the same way as usual - which means that I, and presumably most other people, sometimes disagree with the odd decision here and there. That's just a fact of life.

Does anyone seriously want things to change?
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Posted: 22nd Feb 2012 23:17
Quote: "If people ask me questions about it, I'll point them in the right direction. I don't go out of my way to preach at everyone, because I'm not a skilled theologian, and people don't like to be bothered. It's not a duty.
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This is the attitude I like. I wish other people could be the same. I don't preach my views and I'd hope others wouldn't preach theirs to me.


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 00:06
I respect religion, as long as it doesnt get in my face, as a matter of fact religion interests me. But the information shouls be given to me if i ASK not thrown down my throat (I know some religious people go all BELIEVE OR U STUPID, i HATE that)


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 00:15 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2012 00:29
I am not entirely clear on this. Perhaps its because you seeing things that I am not

Do I need to change my sig? I'll happily do it if I need to.

Thank you,
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EDIT: I haven't ready the whole thread, and I have to go to dinner now, but it appears some things might be explained better now, so I'll check back soon.

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 01:30
Quote: "Do I need to change my sig?"


I don't share your views about religion - but I also see nothing wrong with your signature. It's just a simple statement of what you believe.

I don't find your signature offensive, unusual perhaps, but not offensive.

I don't think KeithC was concerned about things like that in his first post. I could be wrong though.
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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 02:52
I wouldn't worry about changing your sig. I don't think that it is an issue at all. I think the issues stem from people adamantly preaching the gospel and being offended by those who don't follow it. I also believe this is true backwards, as well: Those that don't follow the gospel and being offended by those who do cause just as many problems.

Quote: "...it's your duty to save others, not just yourself?"

I believe that when people are involved in any group that has a sense of fellowship and community, people will tend to be vocal and promote it. In some ways, they may feel that by spreading the word, it gives substance to the idea. I know that Alcohol Anonymous's last step is to spread the word and bring others in, and by spreading the word, it promotes sobriety in one's self. Could be the same with Christianity as well as Atheism and other belief structures.

I don't care what people think or feel or do as long as it doesn't hinder or hurt anyone else. I'll drink a beer, tea, coffee, or water with anyone, anywhere, but let's talk about the weather or making games while we're chlling.

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 06:10
@ Captain Coder: Your signature is fine.

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Quote: "I believe that when people are involved in any group that has a sense of fellowship and community, people will tend to be vocal and promote it. In some ways, they may feel that by spreading the word, it gives substance to the idea. I know that Alcohol Anonymous's last step is to spread the word and bring others in, and by spreading the word, it promotes sobriety in one's self. Could be the same with Christianity as well as Atheism and other belief structures."


Actually I thought it was written in the scriptures that it was a Christian's duty to help others find Christ... or something.

And Atheism isn't a belief system, just so you know.



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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 08:24
Jeku has made some very valid points on this thread, all of which i agree with.

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 11:17 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2012 11:20
Quote: "And Atheism isn't a belief system, just so you know."


And it usually helps to not capitalise it either, kind of sends the wrong message. Atheism is just the opposite of theism. Theism isn't a belief system. There's EVEN such thing as atheistic religion (like there is theistic), many Buddhists don't believe in a deity, therefore they fit the criteria for being an 'atheist'. Atheism is just a statement of what something doesn't believe in, nothing else, the views of the atheist community are unbelievably varied. Like a Christian is a a-Vishnu-ist, but instead, a a-every deity-ist.

Quote: "I don't care what people think or feel or do as long as it doesn't hinder or hurt anyone else."


Agreed.


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 15:09
Quote: "Actually I thought it was written in the scriptures that it was a Christian's duty to help others find Christ... or something."

It probably is. I was just meaning that, in general, people that are in groups tend to spread the word of their beliefs. Nonreligious groups included. (Such as people protesting laws, etc.)

Quote: "And Atheism isn't a belief system, just so you know."

I always kind of felt that if you believe there is no God, then you are believing in something even if it's nothing... Even google's definition says it's a theory or belief.

Quote: "And it usually helps to not capitalise it either, kind of sends the wrong message. Atheism is just the opposite of theism. Theism isn't a belief system. There's EVEN such thing as atheistic religion (like there is theistic), many Buddhists don't believe in a deity, therefore they fit the criteria for being an 'atheist'. Atheism is just a statement of what something doesn't believe in, nothing else, the views of the atheist community are unbelievably varied. Like a Christian is a a-Vishnu-ist, but instead, a a-every deity-ist"

I agree for the most part, but I also want to speak up just so I don't sound a fool and seem like I'm just pulling things out of the air ignorantly. I capitalized it mostly because it's capitalized on athiest,org and I respect their beliefs...

I know some people are atheists because of the lack of appeal/interest/care/etc. and some because of an investment of time and research into the ideas of religion and not finding anything conclusive/appealing/etc. But there are also others that have taken the idea farther. Those who have built A(a)thiest churches and have their own Sunday gospels. There are websites promoting the idea of A(a)thiesm and people go out of their way to speak their belief - the belief that God does not exist. People believe, follow the idea, and promote it. I would consider this to be a belief system and is what I was referring to. I may be wrong, I may be right, but I believe that you're not going to find an absolute either way when it comes to discussing these things.

I also think that the capitalizing of Atheism kind of goes with what Keith was saying about capitalizing the name Jesus. (And please don't take offense as there is no intention of it and I would gladly buy you a beer or milk and talk about the weather with you instead.) I personally don't care either way, and it doesn't bother me either way. My name is Mike and I don't care if people spell it mike. I also don't think Jesus would care, either. He doesn't seem like he'd be the kind of guy to take offense to this kind of letter-case semantics.

Anyway, I like to consider myself an agnostic Taoist...

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 16:24 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2012 16:31
Quote: "I always kind of felt that if you believe there is no God, then you are believing in something even if it's nothing... Even google's definition says it's a theory or belief."


The Oxford dictionary defines it as a disbelief or non-belief and the 'a' isn't captialised. The word 'atheism' isn't a 'proper noun' or name. It's just the opposite of 'theism', which is also not capitalised.

Also, atheism isn't the belief that there are no such things as gods, that's 'gnostic atheism', atheism by itself is the non-belief. There is a difference between the two, there's different types of atheism and only 'gnostic atheism' holds the belief that gods do not exist.

I think people (even some atheists) believe atheism is something more than it actually is. I know there's groups of atheists who share the same goals and beliefs or similar goals and ideas that match people like Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens. The atheist community is actually a LOT more varied than that, just like the 'theist' community is varied. I am sure the beliefs of a Christian vary greatly from that of a Hindu, yet both a theists. Of course, atheists have their own beliefs, but atheism itself is not a belief, it's a lack of a specific belief, just as 'not green' is not a colour.

But I'm not offended by people being mistaken or questioning it or asking questions. I can't expect people to know everything about everything.

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Actually, Wikipedia's article on atheism is pretty spot-on.


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 17:10
Quote: "But I'm not offended by people being mistaken or questioning it or asking questions. I can't expect people to know everything about everything."


If we did, there would be no speculation on (a)theism.

Quote: "I think people (even some atheists) believe atheism is something more than it actually is."

I personally believe that the term "athiest" has changed in some ways and may continue to evolve into a new meaning. Such as the words: "gay" (carefree, happy), "nice" (ignorant or unaware), "awful" (full of awe).

Quote: "it's a lack of a specific belief, just as 'not green' is not a colour. "

I understand that 'not green' is not a colo(u)r, but (to me) it implies that there is a color involved... that is not green. "Well,.. what color is it?"

I understand what you're saying, I'm just reading too far into it. (just playing the... d(D)evil's advocate ) But then again, I might just be an extremely nice person with an awful outlook on being gay.

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 17:34 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2012 17:38
Quote: "Theism isn't a belief system. "


It's not a complete belief system by itself, but it is the belief in the existence of one or more gods.

Quote: "I always kind of felt that if you believe there is no God"


If someone claimed with absolute certainty that there is no god, they would be as foolish as those that claim with absolute certainty that there is one. Possibly more foolish actually, since you can't prove that such a thing doesn't exist. Some people think atheist means "belief that there is no god", but etymologically and logically that makes little sense to me.

It's a silly label really - we don't need a label for non-believers in faeries, unicorns, or the flying spaghetti monster, so I don't see why non-belief in one particular entity warrants its own label.

Quote: "Those who have built A(a)thiest churches and have their own Sunday gospels. There are websites promoting the idea of A(a)thiesm and people go out of their way to speak their belief - the belief that God does not exist. People believe, follow the idea, and promote it. I would consider this to be a belief system and is what I was referring to. I may be wrong, I may be right, but I believe that you're not going to find an absolute either way when it comes to discussing these things."


If that's true, they are the kind of 'atheists' that I'd rather distance myself from.



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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 17:49
Quote: "I understand that 'not green' is not a colo(u)r, but (to me) it implies that there is a color involved... that is not green. "Well,.. what color is it?""


That's the point, it can be any colour...just not green. If colour = beliefs and green = deities. Using that analogy I could be teal whilst Richard Dawkins could be Crimson. Though I don't intend the analogy to be stretched further than that. I mean, once you start considering scales, like how many types of green there is and how many types of non-green there is, then the analogy falls apart because it doesn't represent the different types of theists and different types of atheists.

Quote: "It's a silly label really - we don't need a label for non-believers in faeries, unicorns, or the flying spaghetti monster, so I don't see why non-belief in one particular entity warrants its own label."


Interestingly I don't believe that any of those 'do not exist' (though I lack belief in their existence), but I believe there's a low probability that they do. I'd feel pretty silly if suddenly scientists discovered a Unicorn's remains.

I don't know how that fares as a contrast to somebody looking on the outside.


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Quote: "Interestingly I don't believe that any of those 'do not exist' (though I lack belief in their existence), but I believe there's a low probability that they do. I'd feel pretty silly if suddenly scientists discovered a Unicorn's remains."


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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 18:38 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2012 18:40
lol, what can I say? If I build a fence high enough maybe I could reach Mars. Joking aside, I wouldn't say it's quite fence sitting, I just don't claim something is impossible until I know it's impossible. Yes, it's incredibly unlikely that unicorns are real, I may even think somebody is crazy for thinking it. Personally, I just prefer to stick to what can be proven, I don't think 'lack of evidence' is proof of non-existence, it just means I have no basis to believe something exists.

Generally I don't care what people believe as long as it isn't hurting anybody. I don't think their beliefs really need to affect me, it's their lives. I may think a Unicorn believer is crazy, but I'm suddenly not going to stop them from believing it, unless it becomes a dangerous belief (in that they may hurt themselves or others). I'm sure plenty of people believe that I'm crazy, I don't care just as long as they don't interfere with me.


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I'm with Seppuku on this one. You must consider the fact that this isn't necessarily an intuitive trait in us, it's a conscious one. Our beliefs do tell us that unicorns don't exist - the point is that you can't be absolutely certain of your beliefs - or anything for that matter. It's a deliberate attempt to be correct because critical thinking is a valuable thing.

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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 19:24
As an individual, I have no particular strength of feeling or line of thought regarding various issues that many individuals and groups that exist of all kinds whether religious, political, cultural or any other, thus I am easy going and little might offend me personally.

There are however many individuals or groups of said believers or thinkers in all areas of human activity that do have very strong beliefs and often deeply routed in their own lives from birth.

As an individual trying to be understanding of others then I have to try at least to be just that. Given that I must accept that in many instances personally I could not ever and am not really able to appreciate in fact how very offensive in some instances things that may seem and may be thought of by myself and possibly others as simply not in any way shape or form offensive at all.

In reality that is not the case there are many things that are not the slightest bit offensive to me, that may well be severely offensive to others and affect the very heart of their lifestyle and being and that I simply cannot appreciate their feelings. No doubt that is indeed the case.

I am quite well aware that personally I have a lot of failings and that I am often not tolerant of others when I should be, simply because I am not aware that I am being offensive or intolerant in some way that I simply do not see myself in day to day life. When its pointed out to me I can often see that indeed I am behaving badly when looked at from externally by others around me.

Its often difficult to see others point of view or accept one is being offensive when its not even in your own self to actually be able to self recognise it, leave alone do anything to change personally ones approach, thinking or attitude towards others and their way of life behaviour or thinking. Ones one failings are often the hardest thing to accept or come to terms with particularly if change is needed when it tends to infringe on our own person in one way or another.

Still Tolerance and Understanding of others is an enviable aim even if we don't quite sometimes have a full appreciation of others and what is acceptable to them in terms of behaviour.

From a Moderators point of view which is a just a little different perhaps as personal consideration and thoughts of any kind must be put aside, then at the end of the day at these forums, civilised behaviour and if that cant be managed then ultimately order shall prevail whatever the individual circumstances of any disagreement as to what is and what is not acceptable.

To that end we must all try to be tolerant and get along together but someone has to manage these forums and thats down to the moderators rightly or wrongly, like it or not, to strike a sensible and balanced decision making process whilst accommodating the concerns of all members wherever possible in a free and civilised environment where they can go about their day to day business here with enjoyment and without interferance to that from others or Moderators if at all possible.

At the end of the day TGC, their best interests, the products and the overall and long term condition of the forums come first.

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Thank you for clearing that up, KeithC

Quote: "Actually I thought it was written in the scriptures that it was a Christian's duty to help others find Christ... or something."


Yes it is, however, how we help others find Christ is varies. God calls some of us to go to other countries long-term to spread the gospel, others are called to do local missions/short-term trips, and still others are called to supply the first two groups with funding to meet their needs. There also may be other positions God calls his followers to hold (pastor, military chaplain, Sunday School teacher, etc). Also, sometimes the calling changes. But at minimum, believers should live and behave like believers. Jeku's approach is a very good one based on what I know, given his position.

Quote: "It's a silly label really - we don't need a label for non-believers in faeries, unicorns, or the flying spaghetti monster, so I don't see why non-belief in one particular entity warrants its own label."


I think of atheism and theism as names for two camps that share opposite views - theism describing those who hold the very general belief that there is a god, and atheism represents all those who believe there is no god. I say "camps" because there are different groups (modernism, nihilism for example) under atheism which vary in their beliefs about mankind's purpose, life after death, etc.

Also, the term may have been coined to describe people in the earlier centuries when many people did worship a deity of sorts, but that is just an idea.


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Quote: "I think of atheism and theism as names for two camps that share opposite views - theism describing those who hold the very general belief that there is a god, and atheism represents all those who believe there is no god"


I hate to keep repeating myself, but again, that's not the correct definition. Atheist is just another word for "non-believer", ie. someone who doesn't believe there is a god, but doesn't necessarily believe that there isn't one either. I don't think any sensible person would claim the non-existence of something that cannot be proven to not exist, they can only claim that there is little reason to believe in such an entity because there is no evidence (which is my view).



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Quote: "I hate to keep repeating myself, but again, that's not the correct definition. Atheist is just another word for "non-believer", ie. someone who doesn't believe there is a god, but doesn't necessarily believe that there isn't one either."


Isn't what you've just defined agnostic atheism?

'Hard' atheism really is just what Captain Coder said

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Posted: 25th Feb 2012 15:35 Edited at: 25th Feb 2012 15:53
Well put. That's my view too.

Edit Oops. I was talking to Benjamin. Posted just too late.
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I believe in God when I get solid proof of it
same goes for everything, I believe in life after death when I get solid proof for it, I also believe in that there is no life after death when I get solid proof for it..


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Quote: "I also believe in that there is no life after death when I get solid proof for it"


How would that work?
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Quote: "Isn't what you've just defined agnostic atheism?

'Hard' atheism really is just what Captain Coder said"


'Atheism' (a- = without, theos = god) by itself, without any modifiers is the lack of belief in any deities.

The term 'agnostic' basically means you're asserting no or little claims to knowledge (a- = without, gnostic = knowledge), so an agnostic atheist lacks belief but asserts uncertainty to claims of knowledge.

Gnostic atheism on the other hand has certainty, gnostic atheists will claim that deities do not exist.

I don't believe 'soft' and 'hard' aren't the right terms to use, because 'atheism' itself is only the lack of believe in any deities and belief is binary, you can't softly not believe in something. It's not like hard or soft determinism, where soft determinism involves a level of free will making it some kind of middle ground, but soft atheism isn't like that. The difference is, one only lacks the belief in deities and asserts no claim to knowledge, whilst the other lacks the belief in deities but also claims they do not exist.


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Quote: "How would that work? "


How would it work when prooving there is or is not a god?

Iam not saying that i do not believe in nstuff unless i get solid proof for it, how much i even WANT to believe i just simply cant without proof


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Posted: 25th Feb 2012 16:53
I'm not convinced we're answering KeithC's original question.
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Yes; let's keep actual discussion about Religion out of this please.

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Err yeah, sorry. Was kind of trying to clear stuff up about what atheism is, but kinda went off topic.


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Quote: "Isn't what you've just defined agnostic atheism? "


Yes, the most broad definition of atheism is just that.



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Err - sorry It occurred to me a little while ago that we were right on the border of AUP violation.

Again, my apologies.
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Quote: "Yes, the most broad definition of atheism is just that."


No, just... no. Agnostic atheism is a very distinct form of atheism, saying it's the most broad definition is just plain wrong

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Posted: 28th Feb 2012 19:07 Edited at: 28th Feb 2012 19:09
Good to see you're as argumentative as ever.

Quote: "No, just... no. Agnostic atheism is a very distinct form of atheism, saying it's the most broad definition is just plain wrong"


Yes, just... yes. I meant that in my experience the term 'atheist' usually refers to someone you'd call an agnostic atheist. And it should be the official definition because I said so.



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Posted: 28th Feb 2012 19:21 Edited at: 28th Feb 2012 19:25
Atheism: Definition

I've explained the terms 'gnostic' and 'agnostic' in one of my previous posts.
Agnostic = without conviction of knowledge
Gnostic = with conviction of knowledge

All the information is there and I'd consider the Oxford Dictionary to be a reliable source for how words are defined. I know some dictionaries define atheism in a narrower sense, like reference.com includes 2 definitions, one broad (disbelief in...) and narrow (belief in the lack of...). But I've not seen anything that contradicts the Oxford Dictionary's definition, or any reason to suggest that it's inaccurate. It's also how other atheists I've spoken to on the subject define it (I used to frequent & moderate a religious discussion board hosted by atheists).

Apologies for keeping the thread off topic, but I have nothing more to say as I'd be repeating information. So I will leave it there.


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Posted: 2nd Mar 2012 01:14
Well; I think this has pretty much run it's course. It actually went quite a bit better than I thought it would...so kudos to the Community for that!

Basically using that name in passing, as a slip (meaning not intentional) isn't something that should draw the ire of a rational person; as such I will be deleting any comments that wish to detract from the thread's purpose. If anyone has a legitimate concern; feel free to email a Moderator about it, instead of posting something inflammatory in said thread. Not everyone subscribe's to any one religious views....so do not push it on them by attempting to hijack a thread.

Again; grow a thicker skin, it will help you in the really-real world. This also works in the reverse; do not start posting, using that name (or any other derivative/variation/etc.) attempting to get a rise out of someone. It's not hard for me to tell the difference, and it shouldn't be hard for others to do the same.

As always; this is not a black and white area, Moderators have the final say.

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Posted: 2nd Mar 2012 02:56
LOL... Are people serious. Well as serious as I believe is we are all of the one same thing. (Erm, a thingy thing that makes us all of the the same whole thingy thing)

I used to read the Aleister Crowley Thoth tarot cards as they were the only set that fitted in with astrology at the time and the kaballah (different spellings, so what). I've also studied Hebrew and Egyptian history (not fully cos I got bored). All I learnt from it was to look into someones eyes and see whether they were telling the truth. That's it! Rubbish... I wanted people to look at me and see that I was reading their cards and tellin them the future or doing some magick.

Anyway, I've done my bit. No one needs to know more. So ha!

Or Lady Gaga! (Ra Ra Ra Ma Ma)

And I am only adding this before it gets locked.

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Posted: 2nd Mar 2012 04:35
Well I think that every discussion about religion on this forum is pointless. Either atheists or agnostics or anyone in between have no motivation to spread their beliefs, or Christians, Muslims, Hindus... and everyone in between want to spread their views but should not because this is a game dev forum, and if people mention their religion, others should just take it as just another point of view and discuss it as if it were a sci-fi realm in a game with its own rules and properties.


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Posted: 4th Mar 2012 00:33
Thou shall keep thy religion to thyself.

...would be the easiest solution as far as I'm concerned.

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Posted: 4th Mar 2012 00:43 Edited at: 4th Mar 2012 00:44
Apathesim is my belief:

Apatheism describes the manner of acting towards a belief or lack of a belief in a deity; so applies to both theism and atheism. An apatheist is also someone who is not interested in accepting or denying any claims that gods exist or do not exist. In other words, an apatheist is someone who considers the question of the existence of gods as neither meaningful nor relevant to his or her life.

Religious debates are pretty pointless.

, but more on-topic:

I've never really seen a debate about religion on this forum, does it happen?


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Posted: 4th Mar 2012 04:43
Yes it has happened, but it is rare.


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Posted: 4th Mar 2012 15:12
Quote: "I've never really seen a debate about religion on this forum, does it happen?"


It did before it was banned by the AUP. People used to get all too upset by the thought of others having different beliefs from them, so in the end it was deemed pointless to allow such discussions to happen on a forum about programming and game making.



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Posted: 4th Mar 2012 16:25
I always though the line between discussion and debate has been a little blurry, though. For example, in the above discussion about what 'atheist' actually means, no one is claiming that one side or the other is correct, they're just looking for a definition. So that should be fine, right? Eggshells is the perfect word because it always seems like whenever the topic of religion comes up, everyone feels like they mustn't say anything.

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Posted: 4th Mar 2012 17:07
I think that's a difficult one, but I've understood it pretty much the way you have. It seems mods don't act until two opposing sides offer discussion over their views...or at least beyond objectively stating what they are and defining them.

-I don't believe in wearing hats
-I believe in wearing hats.

As opposed to offering a discussion or debate over the views themselves.

-I find hats mess up your hair and look ridiculous. Statistics show 85% of hat wearers will go bald and people shouldn't engage in that risk.
-I find that statistic hard to believe, could you back it up? In my experience wearing hats does not directly correlate with baldness. Whilst yes, hats make your hair messy, but actually a great deal of people find them to not only be functional as head warmers, but also stylish.
-Well your hat looks silly
-You've got a big nose.




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Posted: 7th Mar 2012 03:23
Personally I can't see why religion would ever come up on a programming forum.
I actually think it's quite pathetic that TGC are forced to ban subjects from discussion because people can't handle opposing views, but it's true.
You're either massaging the egos of people who already agree with you or waging an unwinnable war of words with someone you consider to be a "fool".

It shouldn't be like that, religion is an interesting subject and it's an important one to discuss, but rude and intolerant people get "offended" and want to start a fight because they can't argue their point properly.
People should have more respect for each other.

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Posted: 7th Mar 2012 09:06
@OBese87 "Here'Here...Here'Here"

Totally agree, I mean its like someone saying C# is better than C/C++ because of bla bla etc think this was already used as an example already

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