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Geek Culture / Remember that whole neutrino faster than light thing?

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Eminent
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Posted: 22nd Feb 2012 23:15 Edited at: 22nd Feb 2012 23:16
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Well, yeah...


http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/02/faster-than-light-neutrino-result-apparently-a-mistake-due-to-loose-cable.ars
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Neuro Fuzzy
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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 02:21
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Remember to make sure all your connections are good, otherwise your neutrinos might go faster than light.

Also, update to the article:
Quote: "UPDATE: Nature News has apparently received a statement from the Opera researchers. It indicates they have found two potential issues (one of them the optical cabling). The two issues would skew the results in opposite directions, which is why they will need new measurements to better understand whether both influence the results and, if so, what the net impact is. "




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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 06:39 Edited at: 23rd Feb 2012 06:47
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Thanks for the update! IIRC, I believe most of knew/speculated that there was something wrong with the experiment, analysis, and or interpretation of the data.

With all the possibilities we discussed, we may have given them too much credit. Even if unintentional. But, this is a CERN collaboration. I wouldn't have guessed that the error to be something so... ughhhh... "A loose cable???? Really?

(I know it's a little more involved than it sounds)


Is it fair to say that this is slightly embarrassing, or, is this just the way modern research plays out?

Was the announcement not only premature, but, irresponsible?


Not sure what to make of this, really.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 23rd Feb 2012 13:01
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Quote: "Is it fair to say that this is slightly embarrassing, or, is this just the way modern research plays out? "


It's the way all science plays out. This is why science is fluid and changing and we must always test and retest and question the results.

Quote: "Was the announcement not only premature, but, irresponsible? "


Are you talking about how the media responded? The media is for entertainment purposes only. If you want real science, read the reports and results yourself. If you're a student, your school almost certainly offers free access to scientific databases.

Scientific reports are simple to understand, you just have to take the time to read it. The underlying stuff may get too complicated unless you've been studying it for quite some time. But if you're an armchair scientist and want a rundown of what was done and what something means, read the first few paragraphs and wait for other researchers to test and verify

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 24th Feb 2012 05:24
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Well there goes time travel.

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bitJericho
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Posted: 24th Feb 2012 10:46
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to be fair, they haven't ruled anything out yet.

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Posted: 24th Feb 2012 13:15
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Quote: "Is it fair to say that this is slightly embarrassing, or, is this just the way modern research plays out? "


This comic is an accurate representation of how the media reports science:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1623

It would only be embarrassing if they stated their findings as scientific fact. However, they, like all good scientists, retested and retested to find out if their results had any groundings.
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Quote: "This comic is an accurate representation of how the media reports science:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1623"


Oh My... [ chuckle ] have not seen that pic in a while

not to boast but... I saw that one coming... [loose wire/faulty equipment]

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The most reasonable conclusion is that there was no loose cable and this discovery did lead to time-travel, but this caused many problems and inter-dimensional wars which threatened the entire universe! So they sent someone back to loosen the cable and discredit the results so we would never discover time-travel.

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Quote: "So they sent someone back to loosen the cable and discredit the results so we would never discover time-travel."


But then they would be unable to send somebody back, causing a paradox in which the cable was never loosened, and we did discover time travel.

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