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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 00:15
Many people say that they will. Also, my brother is very scared that developer's will stop making stuff for
PC's. But...I'm not convinced that tablets will replace computers. Computers are way more powerful than tablets right now and can handle so many more tasks. Imaging editing The Dark Knight Rises on so many tablets! FPSC on a tablet? What do you guys think?
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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 00:42
Tablets will never take over a desktop computer station. That being said, there is no reason that your tablet can't just plug into more displays and other peripherals just as your PC tower does. In that sense, I suppose it's possible, but more than likely, at least for awhile, PC's will have their place. We have a ways to go before the current architectures are phased out I think.

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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 00:47
There's no way a tablet can match the performance of a desktop.

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I want mine to talk like in the movies!

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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 00:58
I like to think there are two types of computer user; personal and business. I can that my friends and family have replaced their computers with tablets, purely because its handier to pickup and flick through emails, or play a game, etc...

In the business world, no-one is realistically going to type a report on a tablet, its just too impractical!

So... for home users perhaps, but not in the business world, unless the company is trying to make a loss.
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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 01:03 Edited at: 18th Mar 2012 01:05
Nope!


They might be more convenient for certain tasks but seriously fall behind for others. If all you do is surf the web, play little games, watch digitally downloaded movies, chat to friends and 'connect', then maybe they're an ultra portable and extremely lightweight alternative to a laptop for you.


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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 01:14
It's a gimmick. Period.

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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 01:22
Seeing the route that both Microsoft and Apple are taking (making their tablet and desktop operating systems the same) I'd say that we aren't going to see the traditional PC die out, but we'll see it in a different role.

There will always be the need for more power for specialized tasks, such as movie/game development, scientific research etc. However, what a typical person uses a computer for - browsing the internet, writing the occasional document up - tablets could very well become the standard. And don't forget all the cloud computing stuff everyone's been obsessing about - most people see it as a way to synchronize their stuff, but Amazon, Microsoft and others have been pushing it as a way to do serious processing on cloud servers. It's not really a new idea, but if it becomes more mainstream, the demand for high-powered computers will fall off a bit. But cloud or not, the desktop form will probably remain the work horse.

Now honestly I don't know where game playing fits into this. Personally I greatly enjoy my Xbox, but that will probably get me in as much hot water here as defending tablets. iPad + AirPlay Mirroring + a controller looks like a pretty sound combination if the thing keeps getting more powerful but for now I think consoles will remain in the lead. It probably varies from area to area, but quite honestly, most of the people around me don't have computers that can handle the likes of Battlefield or Mass Effect. And we've been hearing from big developers for ages that consoles are where the money's at.

Who knows, maybe we'll just get phones powerful enough that we can just mirror them to our TV, monitor, or tablet-like device, with all the processing done in our pockets.
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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 01:34
I think with recent OS releases, like the latest MacOS they've certainly incorporated the 'touch' feel to it and from what I've seen Apple have manage to implement that well, especially with their laptop's 'Magic' trackpads and the desktop's magic mouse (and trackpad too) and they integrate well with those features and serious desktop usage. I don't think it'd detract away from how the OS works for serious users, but rather gives new things to learn.

Windows 8, it's only a preview at the moment and MS seem to be taking the same approach, but I don't see it working unless: it's optional and they have devices (other than a touchscreen) that would integrate well with it...something like a Magic Mouse or a Magic Trackpad.

Though my experience with the latest MacOS is rather limited and obviously a seasoned Mac user would be able to comment better than I. However, I do want a Mac Mini + a Magic Mouse.


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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 02:54 Edited at: 18th Mar 2012 02:55
I am just wondering what comes after Windows 8 as it now seems it is simply a gimmick... just like iPhones and iPads...

anyhoo...

for the general consumer... they might stick for tablets and such...

but you have to remember they were designed for two things... filling a hole in the market [gap] and making money... nothing more...

but for people looking for real productivity and performance... you can never replace a desktop pc with multiple monitors... one of my clients has a kick ass pc with enough horse power to boot and dual screens with one touch and one 8,000,000:1 screen for bluray... I know because I built it... and no NO TABLET CAN MIMMIC THE EXPERIENCE and that EXPERIENCE is where the comparison is at... not performance...

and ooo try 5.1 surround sound...

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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 04:52
Well, if you look through back in computer history there was time when the Mouse / GUI / Multi tasking / Internet etc etc were all gimmicks, but things change !

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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 04:56
I think it's important to remember that awhile or so ago the idea of what we now see as the modern smartphone was nearly ludicrious. Even desktops have come quite a ways from the old days. Saying "never" is a silly proposition when discussing technology, it's quite possible that someday the iPad will be running the grandchild of MacOS and be capable of mirroring/extending to several screens and wirelessly linking with audio and input peripherals. Or maybe the iPhone will do it, and the iPad will be just another screen for it.
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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 05:18
Eventually I think they definitely could replace the tower aspect of a desktop. Just the tower, however. I don't think the keyboard and mouse will ever be obsolete until we can control the computer with our minds. I can definitely see a setup where if you're on the go then you take the tablet, and when you're home you set it into a dock and use the keyboard, mouse, and maybe some extra displays. Basically, this.

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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 05:26
Computers certainly are harder to swallow.



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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 05:34
Theres a difference in sitting down at a computer, and working, than just piddling on a tablet. As of right now there is no real way to be productive on a tablet as you do on a computer. The most productive thing I can do on my tablet is send an e-mail. So no not for a long time to come.
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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 10:47
No, first of all, a computer has better peroformance, I believe that a tablet could replace a laptop computer but not a stationary gaming computer. Nothing beat's a keyboard and mouse when gaming or doing work.
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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 19:49 Edited at: 18th Mar 2012 19:50
I think they most definitely could, at least for your average consumer. However, I don't see it happening for developers, because they are impractical to use for anything code/model/sound/music related, and aren't really practical for business (I could see them being used for presentations though).

I think they will take over, but the good old desktop computers will still be used by developers and business.

That's my 2 cents.

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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 20:23
there is already USB inside the tablets with HDMI
wich means, if you have a good large screen, mouse and keyboard, you can connect all of those stuff onto your tablet and use it just like you use your normal desktop computer.
althought the bad thing is the performance of the tablets wich can never be replaced..

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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 21:25
If hardware ever gets miniaturized enough that you could have top end CPUs, RAM and storage inside a tiny tablet, then they probably will replace PCs. You could just drop it into a docking station and have all the peripherals you want at hand, then just whip it out of the docking station when you want to head out and take a powerful machine with you. That's quite a long way off though, I think.

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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 21:32
nothing i have seen so far beats the good old mouse when it comes to gaming =P


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Posted: 18th Mar 2012 23:02
I'm personally a controller person when it comes to games...
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What about cooling, no way a GTX 590 is ever gonna get enough cooling in a tablet. We're gonna need a hell lot of development before we can create powerfull low heat components to replace the desktop
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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 01:27 Edited at: 19th Mar 2012 01:27
Quote: "nothing i have seen so far beats the good old mouse when it comes to gaming =P"


Can't we go back to the Kempston Joysticks again? They were my favourite controllers.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 02:10
Quote: "nothing i have seen so far beats the good old mouse when it comes to gaming =P
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That's what my brother says. He can't aim on a controller for FPS games.
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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 05:33 Edited at: 19th Mar 2012 05:34
That's because analog sticks are clunky, spring loaded, and either too slow or overly sensitive for certain situations.

The mouse is infinitely more precise.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 12:57
Quote: "That's what my brother says. He can't aim on a controller for FPS games."


me neither: sure you can be better or worse of with a controller, but its pretty much a fact that the mouse does offer a lot more controll and better aim than a controller


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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 13:36
Reminds me of the time I tried playing StarCraft on the Nintendo 64. That cursor was IMPOSSIBLE to control accurately with the joystick. I would be interested in seeing how an RTS would perform using a touchpad.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 16:37
I guess an RTS game won't be to bad on a touch screen monitor.
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so its nice to hear from apple-bosses that they cancel macPros end of 2012 because they are sure that there is nothing that cant be done on an ipad.

i have indesign catalogue-data where a new macpro needs 15 minutes to load and left a framerate of 12 to work with (biggest macpro config)... i think i need 20 seconds to crash your tablets, guys.

thats what happens when excel/powerpoint-guys think/decide about performance.^^

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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 17:10 Edited at: 19th Mar 2012 17:13
the desktop's never been a great winner for the consumer.

The 80's had it right with all-in-one setups. Really our computers should be built right into the devices they're powering.

For work, the desktop will be king for the foreseeable future, and is why we have desktops around in the first place.

And even as a power user my most powerful devices are my desktops, but I remote into them. I can do that easily enough with an ipad, android, or anything else that can run an RDP client.

An ipad with a foldout kb and mouse could easily replace any laptop of any performance, as long as realtime and network lag is of no concern (most applications).

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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 17:57
Quote: "but its pretty much a fact that the mouse does offer a lot more controll and better aim than a controller"


But this doesn't necessarily have any bearing on how fun the game is, now does it?



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Quote: "I guess an RTS game won't be to bad on a touch screen monitor."


Competetivly it will, casually it might work out


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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 18:05 Edited at: 19th Mar 2012 18:06
Quote: "The 80's had it right with all-in-one setups. Really our computers should be built right into the devices they're powering."


Fortunately all-in-one set ups still exist, but they tend to be more expensive, though for an average consumer it may be more convenient. Some people are such technophobes that something so simple makes them worth the extra dosh.

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I'm actually better at aiming with a controller than I am with a mouse. But a touchpad...I suck at those games.


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Quote: "Fortunately all-in-one set ups still exist, but they tend to be more expensive, though for an average consumer it may be more convenient. Some people are such technophobes that something so simple makes them worth the extra dosh."


the all-in-one pcs are really lame though. I mean things like TVs with built-in computer abilities, fridges taht order your food, mirrors with stock tickers floating by, automated heating and lighting and window blinds, cars that drive themselves, glasses with computers built in. That's the future of computing.

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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 19:37
Quote: "An ipad with a foldout kb and mouse could easily replace any laptop of any performance, as long as realtime and network lag is of no concern (most applications)."


Otherwise known as a laptop or more closely a netbook!

When tablet PCs take over, what they'll actually be is slim line, netbooks with a touchscreen. I guess it's all horses for courses how you view it though. It's a netbook with a touchscreen to one guy, and it's tablet with a keyboard to another.

They're no good for anything except casual use in their current form.

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Just don't install Windows because you'll crash! Bedum-tish!

Never had a chance to play with an all-in-one PC, except for iMacs so I wouldn't know how bad they are. I know upgrading hardware is more restricted on them.

Quote: "so its nice to hear from apple-bosses that they cancel macPros end of 2012 because they are sure that there is nothing that cant be done on an ipad."


Source? I saw something about Apple being undecided about the decision, not because of what the iPad can do but because of how much money they're making on their other apple products by comparison - there's 9 times as many iPads sold and 13 times as many iPhones sold. Obviously MacPros won't sell so well because they're meant to be really powerful, hence the hefty and unattractive price tag. But it appeals nicely to professionals who need that extra power.

But if they were just considering it, there's still the possibility they won't do it. Given those figures I'm certain they'd be asking themselves the question, but they might realise that many still rely on them regardless.


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Quote: "Otherwise known as a laptop or more closely a netbook!"


Or Ultrabooks XD

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Posted: 19th Mar 2012 20:50
Do you think game developers will stop making games for computers in a few years?
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if they do... it will mean more money for those that stay the course lol

however about a year ago Microsoft realised how daft they have been with their games studio and apparrently promised to develop for the pc again...

I believe there is a new AOE or that other game the name escapes me coming out soon...

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The tablet won't replace the tower any more than the MP3 player has replaced hifi separates...

It will simply create another market for a different consumer who wants to do different things.
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Considering Unity and all of that, do you think game development will just become a "drag-and-drop with some scripts" procedure rather than code?

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Quote: "Considering Unity and all of that, do you think game development will just become a "drag-and-drop with some scripts" procedure rather than code?"


I doubt it, because there will always be people pushing the envelope, coding from scratch, getting as much performance as possible. They'll be the ones selling games and making money. The FPS Creator equivalent will be kick ass in the future though!

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Quote: " The FPS Creator equivalent will be kick ass in the future though"


I never get it when people say things like this because just as power of these systems is increasing the power in the tech that goes to make them is also increasing. The same cane be said about tablets, although say in 10 years time tablets may well be as power as a high end desktop is now but its not going to be as powerful as the desktops of 2022. Though I do think the difference will be less significant as tablets are developing way faster than desktop.
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Drag and drop has been around for years, heck Unity3D has been out for a long time, it was Mac only but was capable of deploying to Windows. I think that boost its popularity by a lot when releasing the Indie version for free.

Heck, I got into game creation through a Drag and Drop software, Klik N Play, I moved onto The Games Factory afterwards and the Clickteam software was really capable for making powerful 2D games without programming knowledge. But I saw Dark Basic and was like, "wow! I wanna learn to program!"

Torque has been around for quite a while too, whilst you can customise Torque's engine inside of C++ as you get access to the full source code, but it is basically drag & drop + scripting.

These tools certainly make developing games easier, however, they're not necessarily the top choice for game developers as you get less control and not everybody likes that and sometimes to get exactly what you want the best method is to build your own engine from the ground up. Probably why we haven't seen everybody jump to using already existing game engines (although people still build on top of them to make it more than just 'scripting' and using a drag and drop editor) and it's also probably why it's unlikely these tools will replace developers programming their own stuffs.


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Quote: "Do you think game developers will stop making games for computers in a few years?"


From what I understand, PC gaming is on the rise, currently as the consoles get more dated, and the new releases are starting to look older than they should. Also, there isn't much word on the new consoles yet.

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I think consoles are still dominant on the whole though largely because of their accessibility - you don't need a lot of money or technical expertise to play games on them. A decent PC gaming rig sets you back a fair bit more, and a lot of people don't know what to do if a game they try to run, well, doesn't. I've seen people who have problems with things like drivers and DirectX that seem trivial to someone more tech oriented. And then there are the really persistent issues that seem to be triggered by an unfortunately specific combination of hardware or software.

It's for those same reasons that devices like the iPad are getting more popular - it just works.

Personally though I'm only really looking forward to the next generation of consoles so I can see what developers can put greater resources towards in departments other than graphics (not to say that better graphics wouldn't be cool of course). I think the Xbox 360 is a fantastic device, with a really well designed controller. I'm kinda hoping MS doesn't change too much.
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Posted: 21st Mar 2012 01:05
I love the iPad for surfing the web, playing games etc but it will never replace my laptop!! The laptop just has a bigger screen, i like a mouse interface, etc...

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