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Geek Culture / I got into a fight today. Justified or not?

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 05:14 Edited at: 24th Mar 2012 05:17
Quote: "The school IS there FOR you, if he dont quit it then they NEED to do something radical (like shutting him out of school"


The problem may be, if it was like me school, they don't. They may give that person a 'talk', a detention maybe and in more extreme cases, suspension. Generally, when this happens the person who is bullied gets the blame.


Of course, it's all circumstantial.



Quote: "There are so many other ways to deal with it, first and foremost is telling your parents about it."


Funnily enough, my parents' advice was: stick up for yourself, fight back because the teachers won't do anything.

They tried the administration route with my brother and sister and that didn't work. My brother fought back and it worked for him. Me and my sister on the other hand tried the "lets ignore it" route. That didn't work at all. Many people find themselves ignoring their bullies and feeling that they're powerless and the effects of verbal abuse can be quite severe, so I'd hope nobody would put up with that kind of crap and unfortunately the 'proper' channels don't always work and can just make it worse.

Of course, I accept fighting back may not necessarily work and that's why some of the advice has been saying to assess the situation. I wouldn't suggest anybody does it unless they can be sure they'll win and that the student doesn't get his mates in on you or come in the next day with a knife.

But specific to Travis, from what he's been saying he doesn't have a violent attitude and isn't the type to like doing this sort of thing, but the bully persisted. Anybody here who has been bullied I am sure can relate. Although I wouldn't tell him to do it again, I do feel the need to congratulate him on sticking up for himself.

When it comes to the real world, it's a whole different matter. At least you've got more you can do about the situation, telling on them might not make it worse, because that bully could lose their job, get sued or end up with a criminal record. Which is more of a deterrent than being told off, getting detention or getting a few days off of school. I am sure in that kind of situation, Travis wouldn't resort to violence, he seems like a reasonable enough of a bloke not to.


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@ Sepp
Your post made me smile lol. Thanks for that.
But sometimes the "Ignore them" route doesn't work. Most of the time it leads to rumors being spread and social lives being ruined. Actually fighting at my age brings quite a bit of respect, making school quite a bit easier to handle.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 07:50
I personally think violence is not the answer. I however am not at school and dont know your situation.

I do know that part of the bully victim selection process is to identify insecurity and inflame it.
part of what can set them off is the way that you carry yourself.
it is difficult to fake confident body language, you can however build confidence and the bodylanguage and demeanor will follow.
any sort of martial art will help you develop confidence.
that is the first line of self defense and the greatest conflict resolution skill provided by martial arts.
there's that old quote "you learn martial arts so that you need not use it"
you know how to defend yourself and are therefore calm and less timid. that carries through every action you do, every word you say, every interaction you make with the world.
Its almost like a force field around you. it wont make you superhuman or invincible but it really will go a long way.
bullys themselves lack confidence. that's why they need to dominate others. you can knock them on their arse and send them off, they may never bother you again, however it furthers the problem in general, because then YOU are another person who has frightened and weakened them. they need to build themselves back up the only way they know how.

there was a guy at my school who was widly understood to be a real badarse. I think he had a rough time at home. he was always yelling,abusing hitting people and generally terrorizing the kids. for some reason one day my mum had to go to their house. that freaked me out a bit, he was a total psycho. but we got there and he seemed really different. our mums sent us "out to play"
it was a bit standoffish. he was huge and angry. all his toys were broken and their lawn had no grass. but he had a slug gun. we took turns shooting cans with the slug gun. after a while we clicked a bit. joked around had fun and for the first time ever he actually seemed happy.
at school we started hanging out a bit, but all the other kids told me "he is a psyco, stay away from him, he will kill you etc" -some of these talks were almost like interventions, almost like people were afraid i was selling my soul to satan.
He was nice to me but flipped out on everyone else and in the end i decided that i really shouldn't hang out with him. i was a little blunt ending the friendship i guess. every time he saw me he hit me. he left school the next year and i was releaved. but looking back, the only time i ever saw him at peace was that brief period of friendship.

another guy at high school used to give me a lot of greif and tease me a lot. one day I grabbed by the throat and rammed him up into his locker and quite graphically threatened him with severe violence.
turns out he really didnt realize his comments bothered me. he ended up being one of my best mates in senior school.

I knew a girl in my class who was quiet and enjoyed reading books. everyone teased her and she just sat there reading her book and ignoring everyone. one day she'd had enough and stood up walked up to the particular girl who was teasing her that day and started hitting her on the top of her head screaming stop laughing at me! the bully girl stood up, grabbed her by the hair and dragged her off her feet shaking her by the head and hair and then kicked her a few times until she begged for mercy. I really felt for her, she had a rough time and her one attempt to stand up for herself really backfired. I saw her years later, she's successful in her work and well off.

my only 3 real fights were horrible affairs and even though i won 2 of them, if i had my time again, i would just walk or run away each time. real violence is ugly and unsettling. when you see a guy that was such a threat a second ago, crying on the ground it messes with your head. but sometimes you cant run I guess, I could only have run away from one of mine.

Quote: ""DO NOT PUNCH ANYONE IN THE NOSE YOU COULD KILL THEM""

There's always a chance of a freak accident causing death, but the whole nose cartilage going into the brain thing is a myth.

Quote: "You could punch them in the throat "

incredibly stupid and dangerous.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 08:01
Quote: "There's always a chance of a freak accident causing death, but the whole nose cartilage going into the brain thing is a myth."


Sorry but dunno about that but I know of several people who died from punches in the node 3 in the past 6 months to be precise... just check your local news for causes of death...

The Beeb shows some of these often... think Watchdog? no that otherone... CrimeWatch?

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 08:40
sorry to hear about your friends. the usual cause of death from a punch is the head hitting the concrete upon landing unconscious.
there is bone between the nose and the brain. also measure the length of the cartilage of your nose and the distance from the end of the nose bone to the brain cavity. they don't add up.

I didnt say it was impossible to die from a punch in the nose, but it doesnt happen like in the movies.

what happened to your friends is unfortunate. again, sorry to hear about it.

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oh no not any immediate friends, though one friend had mentioned such a result... as you mentioned floor contact...

I believe it may be the combination of multiple injuries with the nose hit being the starting point...

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 11:06
Bleeding through the nose likely doesnt help either... If a punch was extremely hard, perhaps the bone between the nose and brain would fracture and the sharp pieces could penetrate the brain! That wouldnt be good.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 12:59
Quote: "just check your local news for causes of death..."


Hmm-...

"checks news"
:X PERSON IS GETTING MARRIED:
:X PERSON IS GETTING A DIVORCE:
:X PERSON IS DEPRESSED:
:X OMG OMG OMG, GAS PRICES ARE UP WITH 0.002SEK!!!:

hmmmm....
yah, checking my local news for people dying is quite much not happening.... x)


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Lol. I didn't want to kill him, and I kept away from the neck and nose. I don't wanna be a teenage murderer.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 15:36
teenagers these days get away with murder so no worrying there...

[turns news on and sees teenagers robbing shops... oh thats old news... ]

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 19:06
Quote: "teenagers these days get away with murder so no worrying there..."


Stereotyping.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 19:15
Fighting can never be justified. You both made choices which lead to the violent meeting. If you both had made better choices, the fight would have never occurred. At the end of the day, did the fight really solve the root problem? No. Both of you need to start conducting your selves as responsible adults and take other routes to solve your problems and differences.
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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 20:24
Quote: "Fighting can never be justified."


Somebody comes at you with a knife and has C4 strapped to your prized computer. I think otherwise.

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Sometimes things really just can't be solved peacefully.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 22:15
Quote: "Funnily enough, my parents' advice was: stick up for yourself, fight back because the teachers won't do anything."


Ditto. We got a punching bag and I started working out and gaining more confidence. I wasn't pushed around after that, but I was ready to sock the bullies in the jaw next time they pushed me around. I'm completely fine with how my parents taught me to stick up for myself when it's self defense, and I'd do the same for my kids.

Sure, you can tell the teacher too. But if you're cornered or trapped, and your only way out is to fight back or curl up into a ball and scream... well, I'd only hope you fight back. It will most likely end quick as people will start yelling and teachers will break up the fight.


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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 22:27 Edited at: 24th Mar 2012 22:52
Quote: "Fighting can never be justified. You both made choices which lead to the violent meeting. If you both had made better choices, the fight would have never occurred. At the end of the day, did the fight really solve the root problem? No. Both of you need to start conducting your selves as responsible adults and take other routes to solve your problems and differences. "

I just love the way some folks can simplify things. Before you get up on your high horse and start patronising the OP with your daily sermons I suggest you try being in the same position. Its easy to sit in your armchair and mete out your own particular brand of tin pot philosophy when your not the one being bullied.
I suppose you reckon the kids that commit suicide due to this kind of behaviour, from prats who think its fun to pick on the weak, were mentally unstable anyhow. Heads up for you sir it was the bullying that caused it, the sense of despair these kids feel (adults are not immune to it either) leaves them feeling desperate and alone, the same preacher that stands in your pulpit is the same man of peace that blesses troops before sending them into battle (he wont tell them to behave like responsible adults), I doubt the Lord asked the money lenders to politely leave. I get a little fed up with the hypocrites who dont actually have to do the work sitting on their backsides spouting their opinions on matters they obviously know nothing about.
The Op now can get on with studying and living his life in peace without this hanging over him and I reckon that bully will be thinking twice before he picks on anyone else, sometimes it is a just cause no matter how small it may be.
If you bothered to read the original post you would know he tried to avoid it for a long time so get down off your pedestal.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Posted: 24th Mar 2012 22:50
Irolfy

and Indi... how was that stereotyping?

The law protects youths just because they are minors... sometimes people are fully aware of what they are doing... some of us are maturer than others... age is no excuse.

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Quote: "Somebody comes at you with a knife and has C4 strapped to your prized computer. I think otherwise."


why yes, the only time where i see violence "justified" is in direct confrontation with someone whose intention is to really hurt/murder you


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I agree it's only justified when there is someone trying to murder you. But come on guys? Do you want to make this kid like a gang member who carries a gun with him and says:"Don't be messing with me."

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Aand thats why you do something about it, Zachadoodle - which doesnt necessarily mean you have to beat him - there are a lot of ways which he didnt even try


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Well... He's trying to start with me again. He keeps spreading false stuff about me and starting to say that I said racist comments about him and his girlfriend.... When is this ever going to end..?

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When you try to actually bring some other people into it - Adults may be a good example

my question is why your parents didnt even consider mailing/calling your teachers? one of two things will happen (which is the same as when you decided to hit him):
he will eithjer back off
or continue

and if you slack off:
he will either back off
or continue

so in reality: Bringing teachers into it will either make it better, or "worse"

Either that or call the police or some sort of social help thingy /in sweden we got "socialtjänsten" which is there, exactly for young people\



OR, you could just beat him up again, and see were that will get you in life


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Posted: 25th Mar 2012 04:29
Quote: "I just love the way some folks can simplify things. Before you get up on your high horse and start patronising the OP with your daily sermons I suggest you try being in the same position. Its easy to sit in your armchair and mete out your own particular brand of tin pot philosophy when your not the one being bullied.
I suppose you reckon the kids that commit suicide due to this kind of behaviour, from prats who think its fun to pick on the weak, were mentally unstable anyhow."


Whish I would have your english skills, rolfy

I agree! We have huge problems with violence and bullying in our schools here and its not rare that some poor kid hangs himself for it.

I actually blame our educational staff. In my years of school I rarely saw a teacher that had his class under control. (in the lower grades and apprenticeship classes of course) Some of them where even downright afraid of these wannabe gangster kids and I had entire classes in which the teacher didn't even bother trying to teach us anything.

I have been bullied in 7th grade too by much older kids. There wasn't much I could do against these guys either... As I finally fought back, it was more out of desperation than out of courage. I have no problem admitting that, but back then I was really afraid. Afraid to leave the house/the classroom... but on the other hand, the entire experience made me a much stronger individual.

Quote: "He's trying to start with me again. He keeps spreading false stuff about me and starting to say that I said racist comments about him and his girlfriend.... When is this ever going to end..?
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If its nothing more, I don't think its important, let the dude be and see what happens.

Quote: "why yes, the only time where i see violence "justified" is in direct confrontation with someone whose intention is to really hurt/murder you
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Yes and no. It really depends on the harrassment and on the violence.

Look: there is a difference between schoolyard-fistfights and bashing somebodys face in.

I would like to add that, the way travis described the situation, it only seemed half as bad as some of you paint it here. I dont think murder and gangviolence is connected to this.

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This time I'm probably going to just go to the authorities..... I really just can't deal with violence anymore. I already went out of line... I just want it all to go away. I don't want to spend all of my school life suspended from it. I want to go to college! You think getting in several fights in high school would look good on me? Heck no! Maybe I can just get this sorted out the innocent way. I could care less about what he, or anyone else thinks.

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Quote: "Yes and no. It really depends on the harrassment and on the violence.

Look: there is a difference between schoolyard-fistfights and bashing somebodys face in.

I would like to add that, the way travis described the situation, it only seemed half as bad as some of you paint it here. I dont think murder and gangviolence is connected to this."


Everyone has a different view of violence from a moral standpoint, my standpoint is unless you have the knife on you, then you shouldnt fight, fighting in self defence is the only time I see violence as right. But others may or may not agree with me - which i understand, but dont necessarily have to like. Fighting someone in school because of x and x situation is INDEED what I would do at a younger age, but now - that i am older, I look back at it and see myself as an idiot - and despice myself for doing so. I can see why someone would fight in a situation like that - but I dont necessarily deem it to be the right choice, nor justified violence either


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All options are worth considering, I know for my school your best bet would be winning a fight because unless a kid was constantly beating you up there wasn't a lot a teacher or parent could do.

I don't know the mentality of the people in your area or what your school can do to stop bullying. If you were able to turn it into a legal matter, this might be an option. Some bullies don't stop too easy, obviously he wants to turn it into a race issue so if you do hit him again he can try and pull the victim card. I had that when I tried to give my piece of mind to a disabled kid (not beat him up) who was basically an Eric Cartman, of course I just told him I'd report him for falsely accusing me of discrimination to the authorities and he shut up. Not sure if your guy would take that bluff, depends on his mentality really, and my guess would be he'd say 'go on then!'

What kind of support groups are there in the US? Might be another alternative.

And oh look, peaceful solutions even though I just basically high-fived you for fighting. :p

The trouble with bullying the actual winning solution is situational. Fighting back worked for my brother and other people, but it isn't necessarily the best solution for all.


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Posted: 25th Mar 2012 04:47
Quote: "Everyone has a different view of violence from a moral standpoint, my standpoint is unless you have the knife on you, then you shouldnt fight, fighting in self defence is the only time I see violence as right. But others may or may not agree with me - which i understand, but dont necessarily have to like. Fighting someone in school because of x and x situation is INDEED what I would do at a younger age, but now - that i am older, I look back at it and see myself as an idiot - and despice myself for doing so. I can see why someone would fight in a situation like that - but I dont necessarily deem it to be the right choice, nor justified violence either"


I hate violence. I really do and think it should never be a solution, but unfortunately some situations make it hard not to resort to it. However, it can be the lesser of two evils. On one hand you've got somebody being bullied and if all it took to stop it was to stand up for themselves, I'd say stand up for yourself, the violence might not be right and you should be discouraged from doing it. But, people shouldn't be able to put up with bullying and unfortunately in certain circumstances (not all), fighting back is the best option.

Quote: "This time I'm probably going to just go to the authorities..... I really just can't deal with violence anymore. I already went out of line... I just want it all to go away. I don't want to spend all of my school life suspended from it. I want to go to college! You think getting in several fights in high school would look good on me? Heck no! Maybe I can just get this sorted out the innocent way. I could care less about what he, or anyone else thinks.
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I hope it works out for the best for you mate. If the authorities can help you then that's awesome. Hate for you to have to something you don't want to do again. Shame none of us could be there to come stick up for you...a troop of super hero internet nerds!


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Quote: "You think getting in several fights in high school would look good on me?
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Well, in my country you get a big bad "6" which is the lowest number on your behaviour rating. And yes! This is basically the end of your good career. I buried that jinx by requesting a certification in germany where this would not be included in the copy and used that one. But this is not of any importance here:

Yes! Try to talk to the schools headmaster. Explain your problems clear, honest and of course polite.

Quote: "Fighting someone in school because of x and x situation is INDEED what I would do at a younger age, but now - that i am older, I look back at it and see myself as an idiot - and despice myself for doing so. I can see why someone would fight in a situation like that - but I dont necessarily deem it to be the right choice, nor justified violence either"


I was coming from that point of view. Being young and in school.
I was having a lot of fights in my schooldays...none of them where really violent. Boasting would be the term I guess. I just came from there as I stated that it would be good for him I dont think REAL violence where people need medical attention afterwards would be good for anyone. Its primitive and quiet low.

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I'm planning to go to Full Sail University when I get to my college career point. I pray that this doesn't affect me too much. I really want to focus on a graphic design career and am well prepared to pay the tuition.

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As a matter of fact: My brother got hit in the face, unprovoked /he got hit in the lip\ and required "medical attention", he has no feelings in the left ( i think) area of the lip - he didnt fight back, he just went straight to the bathroom to check the damage and went back to buisness (doing what he was doing before getting hit) - he got the cops, what happens? it goes to court and BANG he gets a sum of 5000 SEK (750$~~) in damage money from the guy.


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Full Sail? That's where I'm going to be You might meet me. By the way you guys best not encourage him to fight. PLEASE DON'T TELL HIM TO DO IT AGAIN. I don't know where you guys come from. But I don't encourage fighting and you guys should know better.

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Well, we are having this out in Munford. But this time ima handle it properly!
And about Full Sail, I'm going to the nearest campus, which is in Florida, so I'm not sure if we'll meet or not, depending on where you live.

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Quote: "Full Sail? That's where I'm going to be"


That's my ol' college. Epic place, lots' of fun. But expect to work your butt off in the year or so your in. This is the one college that doesn't leave room for partying...or a life.

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Posted: 25th Mar 2012 09:48 Edited at: 25th Mar 2012 09:49
People who say fighting can never be justified have never been in a situation where it justified. Its easy to sit back in your chair and say you've done wrong but until you find yourself in a situation where you actually need to man up a bit and take a swing, your opinions should be taken with a very large grain of salt. Talking things over or tattling doesnt always work. In fact its pretty uncommon for that to work in a plethora of situations. At least it never has in my nor any personal friends' experience.

This world is becoming too sensitive i cant take it. People have become far too worried about hurting someone, whether emotional or physical. I dont think people realize that we heal, both physically and mentally.

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I thought in this case it was the quickest and simplest solution, though if he's still harassing you then I guess I was wrong.

Quote: "Talking things over or tattling doesnt always work."


Well, talking things over does generally work with civilized people, and for other people I guess you can use the primitive 'solution' of violence. As for tattling, that's how the law works. There's little reason not to involve others if it can help get the problem sorted in a quicker or more civilized way.



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Quote: "It's highly unlikely to meet someone like that. Then again, my brother confronted something similar. In that case you just call in the police and don't **** around too long. It can get serious very quickly.

The average school just has bullies. In my whole history and my brother's history of school, we've encountered 5 bullies in total, and 2 of them got what they deserved: They had to stick a toothbrush in their rear in order to clean their teeth after that punch. The other 3 didn't really get to that stage."


It depends where you come from. I come from a nice part of the country where school was fairly easy, but I have mates who are teachers who have plenty of stories from their inner city schools. Schools being set on fire, teachers being assaulted, students taking knives to school and threatening teachers. Most of them come from problem families where their parents attend parent/teacher meetings drunk and occasionally threaten the teachers themselves with violence because of the teacher's feedback on their kids behaviour.

There are some proper thug kids out there from inner city schools with parents who are utter scum and are worthless role models. You can't stand up to those sort of kids because they don't know anything except confrontation and causing trouble. It's been instilled into them from birth.

Good luck to anyone being bullied by that sort of kid.

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Posted: 26th Mar 2012 04:10 Edited at: 26th Mar 2012 04:10
Quote: "Well, talking things over does generally work with civilized people, and for other people I guess you can use the primitive 'solution' of violence. As for tattling, that's how the law works. There's little reason not to involve others if it can help get the problem sorted in a quicker or more civilized way."

"Civilized" people don't exist.

I would agree with this for women. Unfortunately I, nor every other man, are not women.

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I think if he was harassing you that much it was totally justified. But I wouldn't have ruled out telling an administrator.

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My father always told me the easiest way to sort out a bully was to give him a good smack.
My father is a school headmaster/principal.
Best advice ever.
No I don't incourage violence without a sense, but sometimes (especially back in high school)
I found that it was the best way to get someone off your back.
(Except in my case it was about 400 students VS another 400 students. as I went to large school.

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Posted: 26th Mar 2012 11:34
for me fighting back made it worse. before that reporting him to the principal made it worse than when i reported him to the teacher. This guy refused to stop till the day he's gone. im still confused what to do on my situation. i had to take it and wait for it to go away. luckily all that is in the past. at times fighting back does help you though.

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Oh man, wow. Some people just can't go on without someone to make miserable. I know that my bully was bothering one of my friends before he started bothering me.

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Cheers,

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Posted: 26th Mar 2012 15:37
Quote: ""Civilized" people don't exist."


Maybe not where you come from, bub.



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Posted: 26th Mar 2012 16:30 Edited at: 26th Mar 2012 16:31
Quote: "Maybe not where you come from, bub."


That did raise a chuckle.

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Posted: 27th Mar 2012 18:37 Edited at: 27th Mar 2012 18:37
Quote: "Maybe not where you come from, bub."

I guess not. I figured it was the same all around.

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