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Wolf
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Posted: 19th Apr 2012 00:50
Hey guys!

Well, its late and I didn't read the entire article but I think this thing actually exists.

Its a 3d Model printer.

http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/gear/gadgets/makerbot-thingomatic-3d-printer-kit.asp

Would be cool for some of us 3d artists around here if it actually works.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2012 01:19
It does. They've been around for a few years now, actually. Pretty expensive, though...

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Posted: 19th Apr 2012 02:21 Edited at: 19th Apr 2012 02:22
Quote: "Pretty expensive, though..."


Not if you build your own! Make magazine has info and kits for this I think.

Edit: oh, ya he linked to that...


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Posted: 19th Apr 2012 03:26 Edited at: 19th Apr 2012 03:28
I've built several models for use in 3D printing for clients. The basic rules for creating a mesh for print are:

1) The mesh must be a single enclosed mesh.
2) No overlapping polygons.
3) Make the model hollow(but remember you'll still need to keep it enclosed)-this cuts down cost.
4) If you want a detail printed, then you have to model it.
5) Depending on the size of the print, make sure you have a sturdy base(if it's for display)

Hope this helps if you ever consider to print your models.

There are also several company's that print for pretty cheap. It all depends on the materials and how much volume your model has. This goes back to the hollow part. A sphere with no hollow center will cost 90x(rough estimate) more then a sphere with a hollow center.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2012 03:51
Aye, our highschool has one for our engineering program. I think it ran the school about $20,000, and it prints models around a cubic yard in size. It's really amazing watching it print, and I've had an acoustic guitar printed. Unfortunately, it prints in a single color of plastic unless you interchange it for another color of plastic mid print. Ours can print concave polygons through the use of support plastic which is melted away in a special tub of a weird liquid. The actual amount of time it takes to print the model is quite a while. We've had models been printing for an entire 24 hours nonstop.

If anybody wants me to, I can take pictures of the guitar that was printed.
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Posted: 19th Apr 2012 04:01
Highschool with an engineering program? Really? That's great!


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Posted: 19th Apr 2012 04:09
Quote: "I can take pictures of the guitar that was printed."

Please, that sounds awesome.

But about 3D printing. I've heard of it before, It looks incredibly cool. Autodesk has setup a 3D printing service now, prices aren't that bad. Looking at some of the machine's costs, though, it's not that bad. A smaller one is priced at around $2,500 or so. One day, I might get into it, for movie props, probably.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2012 04:49 Edited at: 19th Apr 2012 04:51
Quote: "Highschool with an engineering program? Really? That's great!"


Yes, it's quite amazing, actually. It introduces you to the things you'll need to know as an engineer, supposedly. At least in the first year of taking the course. So far they've taught us how to fluently use Autodesk Inventor to create models that are able to be printed. Next year I'm taking an aerospace engineering class, which should be pretty awesome, if I do say so myself. The current highschool that I'm in was just recently consolidated with 4 local schools, so there has been a lot of money pumped into new programs and classes and such.


Quote: "Please, that sounds awesome."




Note that the entire inside is hollow. I think that's pretty cool, personally. This model took around 5 hours to print because of the inside not having to be made.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2012 14:23
Some of the more expensive ones can have moving parts like cogs, and joints all made as a single model.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2012 01:03
http://www.shapeways.com

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Posted: 21st Apr 2012 10:53
Like others have said, they do exist but are relly expensive. However people think that these will be as common as 2d printers in a few years time.
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Posted: 21st Apr 2012 12:00
Quote: " common as 2d printers in a few years time."

Well, I don't know so much about that. Not everyone is a 3D modeler, and 3D printers use wood or plastic, not ink. If you haven't noticed, ink is much cheaper

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Posted: 21st Apr 2012 19:08
Quote: "ink is much cheaper"


For now

Perhaps they won't be as common as 2d printers, but a lot of people believe that they will be as cheap as them...
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Quote: "If you haven't noticed, ink is much cheaper"


Thats kind of a null point, because you wouldn't use a 3D printer to print documents.

3D printers will take off eventually, because it would be considerably cheaper to manufacture a product at home from raw materials than it would be to buy the product at retail.

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Posted: 22nd Apr 2012 11:11
That may happen... But what kind of products are there that are made only of plastic? I can only see people buying them to produce toys for their children perhaps? But maybe people would become very creative and come up with wicked awesome stuff to print! That would be cool, if it happened.

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People say that 3D printers will take off, but I think that the first time I heard of them was about 6 years ago. If you were the inventor of a 3D printer, or the creator of one, you make far more money printing 3D plastics for customers than selling your product. It's like someone inventing a Lottery Predictor.. why sell it? If you do sell it, you have to sell it at a price that covers the losses of your plastic printing industry.

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I watched this a while back and just found it again. It gives another look into how 3D printing can be used.

As for cost effectiveness. I've talked with several 3D printing company's, and unless you plan to go into the business full time printing then investing in an actual printer for personal use then it's a terrible investment and you will loose a lot more then it'll ever be worth.

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Posted: 22nd Apr 2012 15:46 Edited at: 22nd Apr 2012 15:46
Nice to see the 21'th century slowly getting it kicking

Engage!

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Posted: 22nd Apr 2012 22:10
In all reality I never see it taking off too much. Like mentioned, one will have to cover the cost of the lost plastic industry. Also, one can't print items as precisely as one can mold them. However though it I s a great, novel invention that is awesome! Companies like shapeways.com do provide 3D printing service for low cost and I think people would rather use that than buy a printer.

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Quote: "People say that 3D printers will take off, but I think that the first time I heard of them was about 6 years ago. If you were the inventor of a 3D printer, or the creator of one, you make far more money printing 3D plastics for customers than selling your product. It's like someone inventing a Lottery Predictor.. why sell it? If you do sell it, you have to sell it at a price that covers the losses of your plastic printing industry."


3D printers have taken off. It's a big industry.

I work for a hearing manufacturer that globally probably prints between 5 and 10 thousand parts per day. There are bigger companies that print much more than that. That's a huge amount of money spent on printers and continual spending on all the consumables.

No way you would make more money printing parts for other people. It would probably take you 5 years to print as many parts as currently get printed on production lines in a single day.

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Posted: 22nd Apr 2012 23:17
Its cheating,Its not hard to model most stuff,and if you are going to cheat,you should not be in the game.But,I guess some movie creators need this as not all movie creatoes know people who can model.

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Quote: "Its cheating,Its not hard to model most stuff,and if you are going to cheat,you should not be in the game"


What game? cheating how?

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Posted: 22nd Apr 2012 23:31
Am I the only person that loves the idea of owning their own minifacturing plant? Like in Mass Effect 2 where the lab on the Normandy can build whatever parts you need from raw resources. That would be awesome.
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2012 00:40 Edited at: 23rd Apr 2012 00:48
Quote: "No way you would make more money printing parts for other people. It would probably take you 5 years to print as many parts as currently get printed on production lines in a single day."


It would be easy to make money. Just printing Chess sets would make you a lot of money, You could make chess sets of your family, or anything requested. Production lines don't give you the limited edition factor. How about PS3 controllers made to fit in your hands? Picture frames embossed with your family name. Customized DVD cases. Keyrings, mugs, Jelly Moulds... The money making ideas are almost unlimited. You say that it is better to sell the printers? Well those losses need to be covered.

Quote: "I work for a hearing manufacturer that globally probably prints between 5 and 10 thousand parts per day."


That's a company, not a home user. So how much did the one that your company uses cost?

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2012 09:49 Edited at: 23rd Apr 2012 10:02
Quote: "People say that 3D printers will take off, but I think that the first time I heard of them was about 6 years ago. If you were the inventor of a 3D printer, or the creator of one, you make far more money printing 3D plastics for customers than selling your product. It's like someone inventing a Lottery Predictor.. why sell it? If you do sell it, you have to sell it at a price that covers the losses of your plastic printing industry."


Someone probably said exactly the same thing about a 2D printer many years ago.

The only reason 3D printers aren't mainstream at the moment is cost, size and technology. Much like the earliest computers, they can only become mainstream when the cost goes down and the size become compact enough to sell.
Also in their current state, only the very high end 3D printers (like the one in Josh's video) are really capable of producing prints of a usable quality.

If 3D printer companies did as you said, then you've defeated the point of a 3D printer. You might as well stick to traditional manufacturing processes (which are much quicker and far more cost effective).
The point of personal 3D printers is to remove the cost overhead of all the processes that occur after the raw materials have been turned into a finished product (packaging, shipping etc).

All you would pay for with a personal 3D printer is the material cost and also a design fee.
It could also one day create an unusual situation where people could pirate a physical product.

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2012 16:39
What would people do with a cheap 3d printer? If they were cheap enough, everyone with a computer would own one.

Need to replace a cabinet knob? *printed*
Need a new dustpan? *printed*
Want a new chess/checkers/pretty much any board game set, including the board? *printed*
Want a great new toy? Download the 3d printer file from the inventor, and *print* it!
Need to replace a pipe? *printed*
Need a new intricately modeled coffee mug? *printed*
Need a new vacuum? Print *all* the parts, except the cable I guess, but who knows, that might be possible too.

If the price could get down to a hundred bucks, it would completely reshape the manufacturing industry.

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And that right there is why they would charge a premium for either the plastic material, the printer itself, or even both. The manufacturing industry will NOT want the manufacturing to go to the consumers. Printing never took off as much as plastic injection molding and other fabrication techniques have. Although someone may have said that about the printer, they would have been wrong, but not about the 3d printer. That will never go mainstream; at least not for a long while.


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Quote: "And that right there is why they would charge a premium for either the plastic material, the printer itself, or even both. "


Eh? Manufacturers set prices based on supply and demand. For example, sony makes cdrw drives that are very affordable and are the same devices that are used to pirate sony-owned music.

The same will be the case for 3d printers, they will be (one day) cheap and plentiful, and manufacturers will just have to deal. If they charge "extra" for a printer, someone else will just come along and make a cheaper one.

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Posted: 25th Apr 2012 00:22
Ah, good point! Makes sense enough!

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So why is ink so expensive that it is cheaper to go to a printing company? Same thing isn't it?

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profits...

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Quote: "So why is ink so expensive that it is cheaper to go to a printing company? Same thing isn't it?"


Since when was that the case? Usually the only reason to go to a printing company is to get something printed that's not an A4 sheet of paper. That's equivalent to 3d printing something very large or in an unusual material, but it doesn't mean that standard 3d printers won't become affordable.

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Since when was that the case?"


My ink costs £40. I can print a few photos, and then the ink is gone. However I can take my photos to Boots, and get loads printed for £40, and better quality.

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Quote: "Its cheating,Its not hard to model most stuff,and if you are going to cheat,you should not be in the game.But,I guess some movie creators need this as not all movie creatoes know people who can model."


I think i speak for everyone when i say what on earth are you talking about?

We have a 50k 3D printer in Uni and I'll be working on behalf of the uni to create products ect for clients to print off. The last few things to print off where a working wrench and some pretty complex shapes. I'll grab a few pic's tommorow when im in.

The most complex thing i seen was something like this;


Except it has four internal layers, and it has a uniform hexagon frame, not that mis-mash. They also all freely move.

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Ah, the 20k printer at our school can print things like the above as well, though we've only tried printing something with two internal layers out of curiosity. How large can your 50k printer print, if you don't mind me asking? I assume that it's more precise considering how much more expensive it is, but the size is what interests me as that is usually what prevents most things from being printed.

Also, has anybody found evidence of a printer that can print in color yet? Maybe a video?
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Quote: "My ink costs £40. I can print a few photos, and then the ink is gone. However I can take my photos to Boots, and get loads printed for £40, and better quality."


I've never had a printer that ran out of ink that quickly, and even fairly cheap printers can print high quality photos if you get the right sort of paper...

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Ill find the exact measurements for you HC, as i said, im in tommorow so.

As for colour systems, i heard they were airbrushed afterwards but they were quite messy.

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Quote: "I've never had a printer that ran out of ink that quickly, and even fairly cheap printers can print high quality photos if you get the right sort of paper..."


I'm on my third printer, and they have all been this bad. I have Kodak Gloss Paper too, and that is more expensive.

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There are two main kinds of 3D printers. There are the ones that deposit plastic in a small molten string, and the other kind which deposits a thin layer of powder and then laser sinters that layer together in the right places... The non sintered plastic powder falls away. Those ones can use an inkjet printer on each individual laver to add color.

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Quote: "My ink costs £40. I can print a few photos, and then the ink is gone. However I can take my photos to Boots, and get loads printed for £40, and better quality."


I pay 15-20 bucks and have a good amount of ink, and that's an hp printer. (Wanted a cheap printer with wifi) I hear kodak's even cheaper for ink though, and would probably be my next printer.

Anyway, even with expensive ink, if you got a lot to print, you just get your own printer and save a lot of time. Same with 3d printers if they get cheap enough.

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I was just looking at an HP printer. £40 ink same as my Cannon. The funny thing is that the printer is £35, so the ink costs more than the printer.

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Quote: "so the ink costs more than the printer"
Ah, I think one reason they do this is because printers tend to be loss leaders, which is where the company doesnt make any profit off of the product directly or possibly even loses money off of the product. The way they make money is they get you to buy a printer for cheap, then that forces you to buy ink. Once they have got you there, they charge rediculous amounts for ink and make all of their profit there... The Xbox 360 is a good example of a loss leader, as far as I know Microsoft looses around 200 dollars every time someone buys the console, but they make all of the money off of they games that you buy!

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Things will get interesting when the day comes that a 3D printer can print a 3D printer.
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isnt there some that can print most of the parts of a 3D printer?



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Quote: "Things will get interesting when the day comes that a 3D printer can print a 3D printer."


They already do that, I went to some techy conference thing, and there were two 3D printers, one made of real parts, and the other with parts made by the other printer. It's like a Mum!

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@Pincho Paxton
They selling 3d printers because:
- professional printer cost is very high and is huge.
- 3d printers are used to do prototypes, it's not a toy. For example, new cell phone details. Of course, it must be kept inside company! It's a commercial secret.
- home 3d printers, bought just for fun, are mostly hand-maded from kits or cheap beginner type. Simple models, many restrictions.

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