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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 24th May 2012 09:46 Edited at: 26th May 2012 13:38
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Bill once ate a cow... I will never forget that.
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It could be viewed as breaching the AUP on issues such as spam or trolling. Generally actions are based on the moderators' interpretation of the rules rather than your own (to prevent lawyering).

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Posted: 24th May 2012 09:52 Edited at: 26th May 2012 13:38
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Just deleting this here intimate conversation of ours, you see.
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Posted: 24th May 2012 10:47 Edited at: 24th May 2012 10:51
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This is why I didn't reply to your email.
You are so convinced you are right, you will argue the toss no matter what.

There is no website error, the ban message you saw was written by a mod. All you are doing is trying to pick every tiny flaw you can in order to convince yourself that your slap wasn't justified.

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If you read my email carefully you may know that...

You see what Im getting at here? And please dont ignore this message either as you have my others... It's more respectful that way. As you said I was kind enough to show you respect and not curse you out and yet you still didnt reply??"


You are coming across as extremely arrogant and entitled, and you are inches away from getting yourself a ban.

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Posted: 24th May 2012 10:53 Edited at: 26th May 2012 13:39
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Im sorry... You are right.

To be honest, not sure why i havent just been ok with it. I was wrong.

Ill even put it out here: I was going to use that extra account to get more points. Yes, i was trolling. Im not sure why I didnt see your point before...

BiggAdd, take this seriously, im sorry. I disrespected you and i shall not do that again.

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Now i just feel embarrassed. It's not like me to continue an argument with someone like I did... Jee, i feel like a bad person for trying to get more points too... Man BiggAdd, im sorry.

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Ill leave in the apologies. You may need these for future legal cases...
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Posted: 24th May 2012 10:57 Edited at: 24th May 2012 11:03
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That's the problem with creating a set of forum rules, you can't account for every situation, people who write forum rules aren't lawyers and cannot possibly cover every base or fill every loophole. It's why they have general rules and moderators to make decisions based on them. Generally a warning or newb slap comes first before they make any proper moves of authority. A newb slap is awkward, but it's not there to irritate you, it's there so a mod can monitor your posts to make sure you're not going to break further rules/cause further disruption.

Obviously, I'm not a mod here so I don't know what goes on behind the scenes or their exact reasons, but having been here for 8 years (and having modderated another large set of forums), I think I've sussed out how they work. On the forums I did moderate, you could get moderated for lawyering the rules, especially if you did it in thread, we even perma-banned a guy over it just because he was so disruptive. All he got was a warning and he managed to turn it into a ban.

But, I think the important rule to consider when a mod makes a decision is:

Quote: "3.17 Our forums are moderated by both TGC employees and trusted non-paid members of the public who volunteer their services and time for the benefit of the community. By using our forums you automatically agree that they cannot be held personally responsible for any actions arising from these forums. You agree that moderators shall, at their discretion, determine what constitutes a violation of these terms, along with generally accepted netiquette standards, and can take action against those who voilate these rules."


But good to see you understand. It's annoying getting a newb slap, I know I was pretty much "what the heck, seriously guys?" I even made a thread about it, but truth is, whilst I didn't see that I had done something wrong, the slap actually made sense.

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Posted: 24th May 2012 11:00
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I see. And yah, looking back on it BiggAdd was in no wrong position to slap me.
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If you actually had a justified reason for disputing your ban, the mods are always willing to listen to your argument.

I've un-slapped and un-banned a couple of people in the past, so its not the case I'm too stubborn to do so.

You also have to consider the fact that the mods aren't paid to do this, and we often have things going on in our lives that take us away from the forums.

It just so happens that the day you sent your email was the day of a rather large project demonstration for my final year of University. Straight after that I had a 2 weeks to write a 15,000 word dissertation.
Also, I just had an exam yesterday which was tough as nails, so after finishing my dissertation, I had a week and a bit to revise for that.
So I've just not had the time. So when I received an email from you with a page of wishy washy (no offence) arguments on why you did what you did, I couldn't really prioritise replying to you, and now that I have a little extra time, your slap ended ages ago.

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Posted: 24th May 2012 11:06
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Ok, makes sense.

Quote: "wishy washy (no offence)"
Hehe what do you mean? Maybe i was trying to be TOO nice.
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Wishy washy, as in there wasn't really an argument. Wasn't really a valid reason for you to be un-slapped.

The majority of people who have their duplicate account banned don't create another. And also for the record, we don't just go off IP to determine whether or not a new account should be banned.

More often than not, if we are unsure who the poster is, we will ask. But we have a few tricks to determine who is posting.

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Log in and log out times?? Im very curious. I know i would go log out of this account and then log into the other one and vice versa. Tell me about the other tricks, if you are allowed to please.

Just a word of advise, when writing those dup account things, i would recommend saying multiple accounts. Im not sure about europe (i assume you are there for some reason) but here in america the term duplicate means to try to mimic. I thought you guys were mad at me for trying to mimic happy cheesecake's account.
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Posted: 24th May 2012 11:33
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I think it's duplicate in that you've got multiple identities, so your 2nd account is a duplicate of you. For the store, I don't think it's wrong to have duplicate accounts, because the email I use to buy products is different to the one I signed up to the forum for. The email I use for the store I set up years after joining the forums. But my other account is never used on the forum.

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Posted: 24th May 2012 11:35 Edited at: 24th May 2012 11:36
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Meh. All depends on how you define stuff. I just think it would work more universally well if it said multiple.

Also, we should get this back on topic before it gets locked and people inside when it gets locked get trapped.
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Posted: 24th May 2012 11:56
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Multiple accounts are fine. I have one account for my purchases and one for this forum.

Quote: "Just a word of advise"


You are the first person to not understand the meaning of the Duplicate account message, so I don't think I will be taking your advice.

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Posted: 24th May 2012 12:05 Edited at: 26th May 2012 13:39
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Posted: 24th May 2012 12:14
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Dark basic dude, you're sleep deprived. Don't say things you might regret and go to sleep.
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Posted: 24th May 2012 12:19
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Fancy seeing you here! Maybe I should go to sleep...
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Posted: 24th May 2012 12:38
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We have had instances where people setup another account, so they can troll the forum, like going and agreeing with yourself, or bumping your own threads, or just picking fights. The duplicate account rule is setup for that purpose, if you have another account, then it's fine so long as you don't post on the forum. We can tell, and nothing looks dodgier than someone posting on the forum with 2 accounts, it's one of the first things we check when looking at a users profile. We have to deal with dupe accounts quickly and unilaterally, as they can cause so much trouble, even if that isn't always the intention.

Just my 2p's worth.

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Quote: "We have to deal with dupe accounts quickly and unilaterally, as they can cause so much trouble, even if that isn't always the intention."
The case here; but it all makes sense. Thanks!
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Quote: "You also have to consider the fact that the mods aren't paid to do this"


uh oh...so you weren't at the Mods Hawaiian free-for-all either because you weren't invited, I thought you just didn't want to come? Maybe you can apply for back-pay, but I think the company car will just have to start from the day you get it. At least you'll get the latest model Audi TT, I still have the old shape.

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SPEAKING OF SLAPS, i've been slapped twice, right? Or is my memory not agreeing with me? x)


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I've been slapped about 8 times, but all by women.

I would like to put Sep forward as a moderator. He is about the most chilled out, calm and rational person on this forum. Sometimes I read one of Sep's posts and just instantly fall asleep. Can you get more calming than that?

Also he has lots of hair.

I think he should replace Van B. There's a evil horrible forum tyrant if ever I saw one.

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Quote: "I've been slapped about 8 times, but all by women."


Why am I not surprised?


Quote: "I would like to put Sep forward as a moderator. He is about the most chilled out, calm and rational person on this forum. Sometimes I read one of Sep's posts and just instantly fall asleep. Can you get more calming than that?"


Real super villains bore their enemies to sleep, sleep rays only work 75% of the time.

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Quote: "Real super villains bore their enemies to sleep, sleep rays only work 75% of the time."


Dammit! And there I was half way through making one ...

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Posted: 24th May 2012 22:36 Edited at: 24th May 2012 22:41
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Be careful, it's always the calm ones that go mad with power.

BTW Fallout, I listened to all of your tracks in one go while I was on an 8 hour coding streak, and MAN was that some of the best DnB I've ever heard. I've only posted this once in my life, and you deserve the second one --> (directed to your music of course )

[EDIT] Since I've got your attention, do you happen to know any other good artists that make melodic DnB? Something along the lines of this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moIISGDc4ZA

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Edit: This one is stupid. Sorry.

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Quote: "I've un-slapped and un-banned a couple of people in the past, so its not the case I'm too stubborn to do so."


I was one of those people lol. If anyone wants to know why, it's because my internet glitched and caused be to spam my "Max Payne FPS Mod for Max Payne" thread with bump posts, of course, BigAdd didn't know this, so I emailed him and was unslapped. It's because of the nice mods on this forum, that I love being here, most other website forums I don't ever visit anymore because the moderators just ruin the experience.

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@TheComet - Thanks buddy! Glad you enjoyed it. Yes, if you can put up with the older sound on the older tunes, there's enough material there to accompany some big coding sessions. As for other melodic artists, I'll try and add some links to this post in a bit.

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Meh, if only I properly interpreted the first message they gave me...

I thought, ah, they just dont want another account with a name like HappyCheesecake's, so I made one with a different sounding name...

Buuut Im not going to get into this again. I may get banned if I go too far.
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It was August 2008 iirc when I became a mod. There was a vote and bth Nickydude and I were chosen.

I remember ages and ages ago posting a couple of pics from the mod control panel. I don't know where and I don't know when but somewhere on the forums here are pictures.

http://thraxocorp.webs.com/ Visit my totally awesome website: Thraxocorp. It's my own company and I'm totes the CEO.
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Nice! Do you by any chance know what the thread would have been called?
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Quote: "It was August 2008 iirc when I became a mod. There was a vote and bth Nickydude and I were chosen."


Yup, it was put to the vote for a new mod and both myself and Thraxas got high votes so we were both chosen. So for those who'd like to be a mod, keep your nose (and mouth) clean and you never know...

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Well because the forum is cleaner now than it used to be, I feel there won't be any mod elections any time soon. We must all start being cruel to each other.

@ Fallout

DnB is some of the best music to code to. Look forward to seeing those links.

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Quote: "Well because the forum is cleaner now than it used to be, I feel there won't be any mod elections any time soon. We must all start being cruel to each other."


Or kill off a few existing MODs. I don't see anything in the AUP about murder. Murder is acceptable behaviour!

Quote: "DnB is some of the best music to code to. Look forward to seeing those links."


Agreed. It's rhythmic and not too intrusive, plus keeps your thinking tempo up. I can't recommend any artists exactly. I find they do some bad tunes and some good tunes, but I'll post up a few links from my YouTube favourites list, which have some melody or nice coding vibe ...
Ram Trilogy - Titan
London Elektricity - Hanging Rock (One of my favourite tunes)
DJ Zinc - Casino Royale (old skool classic)
High Contrast - Racing Green
Pendulum - Hold Your Colour
Courtney Pine - I've Known Rivers (Great chill out tune)

They're all the more melodic style dnb tracks on my faves list. Maybe you can go form there and find more.

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Quote: "I find they do some bad tunes and some good tunes"


Those evil artists, they never only make good tunes.

Those are great, thanks! And haha, DJ Zinc, we meet again.

Quote: "Or kill off a few existing MODs. I don't see anything in the AUP about murder. Murder is acceptable behaviour!"


Perhaps we could lure all mods to meet at a "convention". Just say that there's Strawberry Icecream, bagels, and a robot cat there, that always seems to work. Then just blow up the building. I'm not sure what to do about BiggAdd though since he's not human...

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You may get slapped if you blow up all of the mods.

@BiggAdd Apparently you aren't a human as suggested by some people... So I can now say I have been n00B slapped by a non human entity. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? You see, I want bragging rights.
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'Melodic DnB' - Isn't that an oxymoron? lol

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Quote: "Well because the forum is cleaner now than it used to be, I feel there won't be any mod elections any time soon. We must all start being cruel to each other."


Great idea! But to avoid getting slapped, I'll have to do some AUP circumvention.

Quote: "
3.11 We do not tolerate posts made for the purpose of putting down another forum member, group of members...

3.12 We do not tolerate 'trolling'...
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Since I'm targeting myself and not another member, this rule remains "un-violated".
Since, by generally accepted usage of the term, one cannot troll one's own self, this rule remains "un-violated" too...

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You're stupid and your views on life are stupid and your religious beliefs are stupid and your politics don't make sense and you suck.

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Quote: "your religious beliefs"

That's funny because I don't have any religious views. I believe only in possibilities regarding some aspects of some faiths. There are no constants for me.

@nonZero
Quote: "I believe only in possibilities regarding some aspects of some faiths."

That's like being proud of being indecisive.

@nonZero
Quote: "That's like being proud of being indecisive."

That's like being proud of being dogmatic. Let's stop arguing before we get banned. How about let's agree to disagree.

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Quote: "Let's stop arguing before we get banned"

Do lets now that you're backed into a corner.

@nonZero:
That's really childish.

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Which is befitting considering what a child you are.

@nonZero:
Yes, it's plainly obvious that I'm the one who's really a child.

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I remember being here when KeithC got promoted to Mod... In fact I feel like a lot of the Mods I have seen around here, I was here before they where Mods....some before they where members.
But yea it does seem a LOT calmer here than it once was. I can't believe it's been 6 years since I joined here. Where does the time go?

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I FOUND THRAXAS' POST OF THE MODERATOR CONTROLS!



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Oooh! Please tell us where you found that!
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That cant be right, there's no red button.


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That's only the top half.

http://www.jlmoondog.com/
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And where's the "nuke" button?

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Quote: "And where's the "nuke" button?
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It takes up the entirety of the other half.

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Me = some time in late 2003 IIRC, at the same time as RobK.

It's possible that I may actually be the longest running moderator still active(ish) on the forums, excluding TGC staff of course.

Quote: "That's only the top half"

... and it misses out the thread and forum controls, and the ban page where we have to swear on penalty of perjury that a person 'really does deserve the ban, honest to goodness, cross my heart.'

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You mods are torturing me!! All I need is a screenshot!

You shall prepare to have your keyboard explode!
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Quote: "'really does deserve the ban, honest to goodness, cross my heart.'"


Was about to make a pony reference there.. x)


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Ooh, there's a "notes" box, is that ever used? Also, can a mod see their own notes?

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Wasn't it once stated that there is another sub-forum that we can't see because it's designed specifically for moderator discussions ("Should I ban this guy?" type-ish things), or am I thinking of another forum?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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