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Geek Culture / Visual Studio 11 Express will not support desktop development

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Dar13
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Posted: 6th Jun 2012 02:53
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Quote: "Why anyone would use Microsoft Visual Studio is beyond me."

I use Visual Studio because it's better than any other full-featured IDE. The Intellisense is better, the initial set-up is easier, the debugger is more powerful, and the VC++ compiler isn't horrible(though not as good as GCC).

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Jeff032
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Posted: 6th Jun 2012 03:11
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Quote: "Why anyone would use Microsoft Visual Studio is beyond me. Its the worse bloatware I've come across."


Obviously you've never used Eclipse. Visual Studio 2010 may use 4X as much memory as Visual Studio 2008, but it still uses 2X-3X less than Eclipse.
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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 7th Jun 2012 05:25
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Eclipse is just awful. I really don't know why they can't update it to be faster and more efficient. The whole Java community would greatly appreciate it, I bet!

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Indicium
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Posted: 7th Jun 2012 19:29
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Quote: " I really don't know why they can't update it to be faster and more efficient."


That'd be making it too easy.

I've been using Aptana Studio, which I think is based on eclipse, the memory usage on that is quite low, so there's no excuse really.

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TheComet
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Posted: 7th Jun 2012 19:40
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Quote: "I use Visual Studio because it's better than any other full-featured IDE. The Intellisense is better, the initial set-up is easier, the debugger is more powerful, and the VC++ compiler isn't horrible(though not as good as GCC)."


I use Code::Blocks with GCC and I think the debugger is loads better than Visual Studio's. Plus Code::Blocks seems to be able to compile faster than Visual Studio.

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Dar13
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Posted: 7th Jun 2012 22:09
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Quote: "I use Code::Blocks with GCC and I think the debugger is loads better than Visual Studio's. Plus Code::Blocks seems to be able to compile faster than Visual Studio."

I admit that GCC is a heck of a compiler. It's fast, and it's one of the best optimizing compilers out there.

I've never used Code::Blocks so I haven't used whatever debugger they're using. What makes it better for you compared to VS?

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 8th Jun 2012 22:46
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Great news, guys! Microsoft is adding Desktop/Win32 support back in.


http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/06/08/visual-studio-express-2012-for-windows-desktop.aspx

They actually listened.

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Indicium
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Posted: 8th Jun 2012 22:48
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Phew, no need for me to learn how to use a new IDE and compiler then.

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MrValentine
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Posted: 9th Jun 2012 02:04
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who linked them to this thread? XD

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Indicium
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Posted: 6th Jul 2012 05:52
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Are you guys aware they've dropped XP support from VS2012?


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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 6th Jul 2012 07:06
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I am. This doesn't bother me really. XP users account for less than 20% of the games market anyway. Besides, XP is over a decade old. That said, I'm not a fan of the newer IDEs. (Though, I do like their debuggers. Plus, free code analysis in the new VS is a awesome.) I mostly stick to Notepad++, Makefiles, and GCC or Clang. (All of my makefiles target GCC by default because in my personal benchmarks, clang's standard C library is slower than GCC's for most math functions. Otherwise, Clang is normally faster.)

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Rampage
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Posted: 6th Jul 2012 09:40 Edited at: 6th Jul 2012 09:40
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Quote: "Are you guys aware they've dropped XP support from VS2012?"

Yeah. I am aware. Doesn't bother me either. It's been a very very long time since I've talked to someone who still had XP, let alone saw someone on the computer, that still used XP. (I go to a huge metropolis university and have never seen once XP user.)

Not that I don't like it. It was a brilliant operating system. But it's time is up

Rest in peace.

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Thraxas
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Posted: 6th Jul 2012 11:15
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The laptop that work gave me to use has windows XP as do the majority of the desktop machines.

The way the system is set up means that for the foreseeable future this will remain. Also they all have IE 7 on them. We are locked out of the systems and can't install anything on them.

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MrValentine
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Posted: 6th Jul 2012 11:38
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I highly douby anybody cares abou XP these days frankly I found Windows 98SE much more stable and enjoyable... In fact there were better games released on Win98 than on XP if I remember correctly...

Also I manage over a dozen domains and sites and to be honest XP accounts for far less than Vista / 7 though it ranks Second overall... Above Macs and Linux the majority of Linux users is minute...

So yeah I am far from concerned about that as frankly the majority of XP users are dodgy licences anyway... In my opinion... And as mentioned before it is ancient by computer standards... (6month basis) and before I spark controversy lol I shall end this by saying... I really can not wait to begin learning the .NET Platform...

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Rampage
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Posted: 6th Jul 2012 12:06
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Quote: "The laptop that work gave me to use has windows XP as do the majority of the desktop machines.
The way the system is set up means that for the foreseeable future this will remain. Also they all have IE 7 on them. We are locked out of the systems and can't install anything on them."

That's very strange to me. Not sure if it's just my country, or a work specific thing at your work. But that doesn't really happen here.

No restrictions usually. But I can understand the company not wanting to set up a whole new staff computing system for newer operating systems. But it'll happen eventually

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