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Geek Culture / Can anyone introduce a part-time job to me? I need make a living.

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halley
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Posted: 27th May 2012 06:28 Edited at: 27th May 2012 06:59
I'm good at programming, I have release several games as following:
1.Tank Battle:http://tank.pp8.com
2.Hold Ball: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hold-ball/id477146564?ls=1&mt=8
3.Fruit Warriors:http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fruit-warriors-hd/id479468525?ls=1&mt=8
4.Happy Bubble:http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/little-happy-bubble/id528195242?ls=1&mt=8
5.Oriental Beauty: (didn't published)

I began Game programming last year, before this I had been windows programmer for 4 years.
Hope someone can introduce a part-time job to me. I need money for a living.I also can sell the project mentioned above. It's all Tier 2 project wrote by C++.

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DeadTomGC
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Posted: 27th May 2012 06:57
Hehe, you didn't mean to put that emoticon in there did you?

Anyway, Last I heard, PopCap was hiring.

Anyway, I don't know anyone personally whose hiring even though I'm at an engineering college. (I wish I did)

Also, I guess you might want to look at Bungie aerospace.


halley
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Posted: 27th May 2012 09:32
@DeadTomGC, Thank you very much! I watched the Popcap link. I'm in China, so I don't think I can get a job from Popcap.

I watched Bungie aerospace, too. I wrote a letter to them, hope to get a reply from them.

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fallen one
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Posted: 27th May 2012 15:29
Hi Halley, I can give you programming jobs, I always have stuff to do, Ill send you a brief once I get back to my computer.


halley
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Posted: 27th May 2012 15:39
@fallen one , Thank you very much!

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Posted: 27th May 2012 19:12
Look around locally?

I've just got a inter-ship at a studio after searching for the last two years.
Ill be taken on as a junior artist when they go into full cycle in July hopefully.

Portfolio; Arthiccup.com
Lazerus Reborn on Polycount and a few other places.
The Weeping Corpse
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Posted: 27th May 2012 20:57 Edited at: 27th May 2012 21:07
What languages can you code in, do you know pascal? can you write shaders?

If so I can give you a series of small jobs over the next year? I'm based in the UK but we can communicate with email etc.

I would give you a spec and you could supply me with a set of functions to perform the task outlined in the spec.

It would lighten my work load.

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Posted: 28th May 2012 01:20
halley, sent you an email.


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Posted: 28th May 2012 01:23
Pascal is still used?

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Posted: 28th May 2012 11:51
you need to make a living, then you might want more than a part-time job.

Im sure theres still something out there that uses pascal, but i haven't seen any job postings about it in years

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halley
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Posted: 28th May 2012 11:55
@The Weeping Corpse, I'm not familiar with pascal.

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The Weeping Corpse
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Posted: 28th May 2012 18:00
Yes Pascal is still used. Just google Delphi RAD, free pascal compiler, lazarus or www.pascalgamedevelopment.com

When I first discovered pascal in 1995 (Delphi 1.0) I put my c++ compiler away, only got it out again last year, because I wanted to write a DBPro plugin.

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Posted: 29th May 2012 23:12
I haven't seen a job ad for Pascal since 2001. Your best bet is to learn some C++ if you're interested in software development, or something like PHP if you're interested in web development.


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Posted: 30th May 2012 04:06 Edited at: 30th May 2012 04:08
I had a word with him, he wants a 1000 euro a week, That's a nice part time job job isn't it.
Halley is Chinese - Computer programmer average wage in china is 252 US dollars a month.
http://www.worldsalaries.org/china.shtml
His part time fee is 14 times what a full time computer programmer would receive in his country.
Reminds me of when I told an Indian to come down under UK 750 pounds for a job he was bidding on. He was infuriated, telling me we spend that on one night out in a club. I think someones been having them on in developing countries, getting them to sign up (and pay tuition) to programming schools with the promise westerners will pay thousands and all their dreams will come true, LOL.


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Posted: 30th May 2012 04:36
Two years ago when I was a windows programmer, I have a salary equal to 2564 EUR per month.
You really think you can hire a programmer with 252 dollars a month? That's very funny.

I own a studio with 5 people(one producer, one programmer,one designer, two artists). I think part-time job is not a realistic way to make a living. 1000 EUR is far smaller than the outcome for the studio.

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Posted: 30th May 2012 04:41
2564 eur per month is very different from 1000 eur per week.

bitJericho
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Posted: 30th May 2012 14:36
Considering halley can make and release games, I don't know if that's all that absurd. That said, I certainly can't afford those prices either

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Posted: 30th May 2012 17:30
Quote: "1000 euro a week"
Crikey. For a part time job? My work at home 4 day a week job isn't too much more than that and I've been doing it for 17 years!

In this current climate though I'd say someone would be lucky to get anywhere near that for part time programming work. I don't know what China is like now (doing well compared to pretty much anyone else it seems) but hardly anyone here is in China so expect low salaries. At least while the economy is collapsing.

And besides anything else, thanks to massive college pushes towards IT over the last decade or so then IT workers are two a penny in Europe. My company would employ loads of new grads at mega low salaries just to dump the rubbish ones very quickly. Nice and affordable these days thanks to desperation etc. Fallen One was doing him a favour to offer the odd programming job when he could easily (and by the sound of it much more cheapily) just go to a typical rentacoder website.

Cheers

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Posted: 31st May 2012 04:22 Edited at: 31st May 2012 13:34
Quote: "I own a studio with 5 people(one producer, one programmer,one designer, two artists). I think part-time job is not a realistic way to make a living. 1000 EUR is far smaller than the outcome for the studio."


I hear the claim 'I have company' from prospective clients from developing countries, many many times. They all say that. As well as nice round figures, its funny how everything cost 1000 something or other regardless of the job. Another thing they do as well, sub contract, its all about winning the contract, from there they go and hire someone else. Give a job to many in a developing county, next thing you hear is, my company can do x'y'z. Have you got anything else, (they often can't even do the small job you have initially given them) but you will hear my company (1 guy is now miraculously over night a whole company) we are experienced in x'y'z (ie everything) because the sole developer you are talking to, will go and find a company or group to do it, with the massive fee they think a stupid westerner will pay, they will then go and find a company out there to do it for the real cost and pocket the difference. I have heard this all before, many times. Its like they are cloned, same predictable behavior every time.

Lets put things to the test, halley, where is your web site? where is your company web site that has 5 full time people working for it? You see I make apps (on a web site), I dont have 4 like you, I have 25, plus a lot of other projects in the works, and guess what, its 1 person, I may hire an odd person here and there, but its just me doing it part time. You have already complained on the boards that you are making squat on your apps in another thread. Where is the money to pay 5 people full time from? I will be contacting them if you are thinking of grabbing a fake one off the net.

I am going to remind you 'first' of your other thread. (emphasis mine)
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=196885&b=48
Quote: "income from selling games can't support our lives. just one or two hundreds for a month.
I'm worry that I'll have no money to buy food several months later."



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Posted: 31st May 2012 05:07
This is my last post here. I have some friends more than a year here. They know me well. They give me a lot of help instead of offensive debate.
Since I'm busy with two new projects, I have no time to talk about anything useless.
Maybe 1000 EUR is not proper, I just don't want to talk it anymore.
We got connect with Chillingo with the help of baxslash, so now we'll focusing our own product.
Thanks all people here. Hope you enjoy our games.


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Posted: 31st May 2012 18:58 Edited at: 31st May 2012 19:11
Quote: "Maybe 1000 EUR is not proper"


That's right, its not proper, being under my tutelage is an honor.

you have the following thread
Though I'm 28 years old, when I stay with girls, I still feel very nervous.
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=195502&b=2
halley -
Quote: "I just now went to lunch with three girls, I feel very nervous, when I stayed with them. Oh, my god. there is a girl what I like.but I don't know how to show my like feeling."


I helped you out on that thread with my fatherly advice, if you had come under under my patronage, instead of being greedy. I would of sat you on my knee like the daddy you never knew, told you the truth about men and women with daddies deep voice smelling of whisky and pipe tobacco.

Told you how you can emulate real men, like Charlton Heston at the start of the film The Omega Man. Safari suit and silken cravat, accessorised with a sub machine gun for added punctuation. Driving convertible round an empty world of do as you please and self service. It takes the power of a real man to be able to wear a silken cravat and not look like a fairy queen. You have to have a lot of man points to pull that look off.

Shunning your farther will cost you dear, now you may never know a ladies tuppence. Remember this day to your folly. Your destiny is to become the male version of the cat lady, no children, just cats… Lots of cats!


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Posted: 31st May 2012 19:09
World class rambling there dude. I doth my hat to you sir.

Cheers

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Posted: 31st May 2012 19:43
I think halley has broken fallen one.

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Posted: 31st May 2012 20:07
Loving the employer and employee professionalism in this thread.

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Posted: 31st May 2012 21:24
fallen one, not to criticize, but the 3 games on your site don't look as good as halley's. I could easily see him banking 1k a week if the quality of his finished product plays as good as it looks (haven't played them).

I don't really see what all the comeuppance is about. And what's the big deal with price anyway? If you don't like it, don't hire him.

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Posted: 31st May 2012 22:29
Not to mention some of the comments are pretty unfair and insulting. I don't think we should really know what halley was asking for as that was between him and Fallen One, I think as far as professionalism goes, that's pretty poor. I'm pretty sure detailing private information that was sent in an email between an employer and potential employee is against the Data Protection Act (I think FO is from the UK), unless Halley agreed it's okay to share his asking price. Even if it's not, it's still pretty unprofessional. Dunno about you, but I don't think it makes FO an attractive employer.

Not only that, but proceeding to insult somebody on their manhood and making personal attacks is completely out of line. I've seen Halley do nothing insulting here. All he's done is ask for more money FO is willing to pay (from the sounds of it, Halley seems to have meant a month and not a week). Halley has been a positive member of these forums and I don't think he's deserving of those kinds of comments.

I would have got sacked from the recruitment agency I worked for if I had that kind of reaction over disputes over what wages were being offered to them.


It's as simple as Jerico says, don't like it, don't hire him.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 17:59
Good points, although I thought FO's original helping hand was still well intentioned. With the amount of work dwindling compared to programmers these days then it was a rare offer out of nowhere for someone he knows little about and only knows through online forums.

Cheers

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 18:27 Edited at: 1st Jun 2012 18:27
Aye, I wouldn't fault him for that. I dunno what Halley is expecting, it's what some would consider to be expensive, but I guess he views himself to be valuable and if he was worth his old wage full time, then I guess it's not so far-fetched to come to the conclusion that he'd get that kind of money again. If he doesn't get hired for that kind of money, then obviously he'd have to compromise.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 19:46
Good point. But then I would *never* expect that sort of money from what is basically a hobby coding forum. Lets be realistic here, there isn't going to be many EA head honchos surfing these pages ready to splash out the cash.

Cheers

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2012 13:50
Aye, his fault is his lack of realism. Unfortunately, you can't always be at the top of your paygrade, especially if you're desperate for work.

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