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Green Gandalf
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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 11:53
For the last few weeks I've been having difficulty loading web pages, downloading e-mail and downloading files. The symptoms are that the download process is very slow and often grinds to a halt altogether. For example, I tried to download the Tree Party demo last night. With our broadband line which is miles from the exchange it should take about 3 minutes. After 1.5 hours it still hadn't finished and the download speed had dropped to 203 bytes per second (yes, bytes). I then canceled the download and tried again a bit later on the same machine but although it continued from where it had reached before it was still incredibly slow and I finally gave up. I'm now in the middle of trying again from a different machine and after 17 minutes only 59% of the demo (about 6 MB of 10.4 MB) has downloaded. The speed does seem to be steady at 6 KB per sec though.

Any suggestions on where to look for a cause. I've reported the problem to BT who agree there's a problem but they haven't come up with a solution yet. Could there be a simple software setting somewhere that's corrupted or just wrong? And why would downloads gradually grind to a halt? Is that a clue?

The problem seems to be the same on each of our machines but I experience it the most because people often email me big demos to look at - and I'm often downloading demos from people's posts.
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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 11:56 Edited at: 1st Jun 2012 12:05
I had the same problem here in the States with my last business connection. The provider confirmed something was wrong but couldn't pin it down. I did swap out my wireless router which fixed the problem, but only for a week or so.

If you're running wireless, maybe check to see if someone else's router is causing interference. That's about the only thing I can think of.

Other things I can think of are your ARP cache or DNS problems.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 12:06
Yes, I'm wondering whether it's a hub problem. Tree Party has finally downloaded - after 28 minutes!
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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 12:08
I have had a router crap out on me. Never thought it would happen, but it did. Took me a few days to figure it out because I didn't think it could possibly be the trusty old box with blinkenlights. Something to try if you can.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 12:37
Try rebooting your router, or even restoring the factory default settings. You could run a pingtest to check the quality of the connection, although I'm not sure if it will tell us any more than we already know. If you're having the problem with multiple machines it probably won't be a software problem unless you happen to have the exact same software and drivers installed on both.

If all else fails, get BT to send someone over to test the line (they can test the line at the exchange but that excludes any potential problems with the installation in the house itself).

We had a problem with our router a few weeks ago, where pages and downloads would go extremely slow and sometimes stop altogether. Eventually we lost the internet completely, and got the phone company to send a technician round. Apparently the problem was a dodgy cable in the house, so they replaced it and at the same time gave us the newer version of the router (it's a LiveBox we use, for those that are interested) and after that the problem went away. We paid them (because if it's a problem inside your house you pay for it, since the phone company aren't in charge of maintaining that, obviously) and then a couple of weeks later read in the paper that many people in this commune have had the exact same problem, and had to install a new router.

Another interesting (if not irrelevant) part of that story is that the technicians told us it'd be €250 if we paid with a cheque, but €60 if we paid in cash. Sneaky buggers obviously pocketed it for themselves.



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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 14:09
Reset you router.
Flush your dns resolver cache.
Check for spam/adware leeching on your PC.
If wifi check if anyone is leeching your network.

If after this lot you can probably assume its on there end so;

Call your ISP again, then again and again.

I have the same issue time to time with virgin media, call them up they'll do some diagnostics and reset your connection links.

After this i normally get my full connection speed back.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 15:02 Edited at: 1st Jun 2012 15:05
Thanks for the suggestions. BT are now sending out an engineer to check our line and installation - but not till 11 June . As in Benjamin's case we'll have to pay something if the problem is with our equipment which I can believe it could be.

Quote: "If you're having the problem with multiple machines it probably won't be a software problem unless you happen to have the exact same software and drivers installed on both."


The wireless hub is common and has some software settings which you can change - but they mean nothing to me.

Quote: "Reset you router."


Done that several times.

Quote: "Flush your dns resolver cache."


Don't know how to do that - if such things are necessary shouldn't they be done automatically?

Quote: "Check for spam/adware leeching on your PC."


Don't know how to do that. I rely on Norton .

Quote: "If wifi check if anyone is leeching your network."


Don't know how to do that either - or whether it's even possible with a "secure" system. What's this though? [Edit: Ignore earlier deleted comment about image button - I was being stupid.]

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 15:10
Quote: "The wireless hub is common"


Oh, I didn't notice that you were using wireless. In that case try plugging in a cable and see if you have the same issues.



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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 15:36
Quote: "In that case try plugging in a cable "


Which cable and where should I plug it?

The main PC is wired to the hub the other two are connected by wifi. The home network itself is fine and huge files can be transferred very quickly. For example I've just transferred 1.2 GB of wav files in 10 mins from the PC to my old laptop - somewhat better than 10.4MB in 30 minutes from the Internet.
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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 15:58
I'd put it down to a problem with your line, not your router or PC, or any hardware inbetween. Often, when a BT line can't cope with broadband speeds, it'll grind down to basically dialup speed, using the phone line instead of the broadband connect, because that's all it has left.

It's not always picked up when BT do a line test, not until they use proper testing gear. I'd put money on it being your line, like a problem with a bad connection, maybe you put a spade through it - anyway router problems tend to be more binary, like either work fine, or don't work at all - it sounds to me like the problem is more gradual, as if it connects but can't maintain a connection long enough to secure a decent speed, so reverts back to your phone line. If the problem isn't your connection, then I'd put it down to BT themselves, doing maintenance on servers... either way I don't think you'll be faced with a charge, and I don't think there's much you can do to fix it in the meantime.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 16:10 Edited at: 1st Jun 2012 16:11
Quote: "Which cable and where should I plug it?"


Take a printer ribbon and attach it between your dial-up modem and your physics processing unit.

I too think it's most likely a problem with the line (inside or outside the house). Looks like we'll just have to wait and see. 11 of June, ouch... we had to wait about 5/6 days ourselves, but we had no internet at all.



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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 16:38
Quote: "Take a printer ribbon and attach it between your dial-up modem and your physics processing unit."


I think I need a diagram ...

Quote: "maybe you put a spade through it"


You might be on to something there VanB. Thinking about it we've had problems roughly coinciding with some scaffolding that was put up for decorating the house - and they managed to damage an outside light when it was erected. Since it's still there I can climb up and see if there's an obvious point of damage. Watch this space.
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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 18:27
BT FON - DISABLE THAT ITS SHSARED INTERNET WITH ANY PLONKER PASSING BY...

Also

Have you got a static IP with your package? get them to reset it and allocate a new static IP to you, its annoying but will clear a lot of gibberish in-between... it worked for me I went on a whim and suggested they did that a while back when I was with O2, however I have a business line with BT now so gotta love SLA's ^^

Also, have you changed your filter? it can really make a difference...

So yeah if you have a static IP, have them reset it, if not maybe give that a try but BT charges you a fiver for it... every month...

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 18:48
Quote: "So yeah if you have a static IP, have them reset it, if not maybe give that a try but BT charges you a fiver for it... every month..."


Why wouldn't you want a static IP? I would love to have a static IP. I could ditch dyndns

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 19:12
I have a static IP ALWAYS but I meant GG as I have no indication whether he has or not... and if he has he should get it refreshed and changed to .. oh yeah the procedure is Go back to a dynamic IP for a day or two and then get the static ip back on again...

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 20:30
Quote: "I have a static IP ALWAYS but I meant GG as I have no indication whether he has or not... "


GG has no idea either. He has never needed to worry about such arcane arts before.

Quote: "Also, have you changed your filter? it can really make a difference..."


No. Hopefully that's the sort of hardware thing the engineer will be able to sort out when they come.

At least I seem to be able to upload all sorts of garbage easily enough - it's just the download side that's screwed up.
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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 20:38
Quote: "No. Hopefully that's the sort of hardware thing the engineer will be able to sort out when they come."


for something that can cost you £5.50 you are letting it hit £100+

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 21:10 Edited at: 1st Jun 2012 21:22
Quote: "for something that can cost you £5.50 you are letting it hit £100+"


Strange comparison . £5.50 a month for three years (roughly the time we've had this system) is £198 give or take a bit of discounting to a common present value date.

Edit Returning briefly to the scaffolding theory mentioned earlier I think that now seems unlikely. I first reported weird behaviour back in February on this thread:

weird email error message

and it could be related especially since that error still happens. The scaffolding went up much later in April - and a quick visual check today didn't reveal any obvious damage.
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Quote: "Quote: "Also, have you changed your filter? it can really make a difference...""


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Quote: "No. Hopefully that's the sort of hardware thing the engineer will be able to sort out when they come."




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Quote: "for something that can cost you £5.50 you are letting it hit £100+"


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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 21:24
I assumed you meant this:

Quote: "So yeah if you have a static IP, have them reset it, if not maybe give that a try but BT charges you a fiver for it... every month..."


Don't you just love clear posts.
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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 21:33
I was enjoying the QUOTES WAR lol but what I meant was the filter costs about a fiver fifty to replace you should have a spare in the original router box...

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 21:50 Edited at: 1st Jun 2012 21:51
Just tell BT that you're getting an intermittent buzzing on your phone line. Even while they send the engineers out to check it and they don't find the buzzing, they'll still have to re-route your DSL line connection. Most of the time the engineers will connect you to the nearest exchange, or if you're already connected to the nearest exchange then they'll swap you over to another slot.

This mysterious buzzing only happens every now and then. You could expand on it further and say that the voices in your head go quieter...

They will change your connection in order to resolve something and hopefully you'll get a faster download speed...

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 22:11 Edited at: 1st Jun 2012 22:11
Quote: "you should have a spare in the original router box"


No, it's hard-wired into the incoming socket - that baffles the Help Desk every time since it doesn't match their installation stereotypes. It was installed by BT of course.

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 22:26
ahh, unscrew that top plate its just sitting on top of a normal socket... that has to be the issue... what you do after is use the telephone line into your router and test that you should see a difference then ask them to send you a new faceplate [for the correct screws] and a set of filters... I reckon your filter has run its course lol... you can actually buy a nifty booster faceplate I have one of them... it generally works for me if i bother to fit it soon thinking about it now I could show you it... hang on...

http://www.adslnation.com/products/xte2005.php



I might run a bench test comparing my connection now to after i stick it in, unfortunately I need to get new screws for mine as the ones that came with is are knackered...

but yeah this should do the trick, costs £11.22

let me know if you would like me to run a bench test sooner than later... heck I might even do it for the sake of getting a slight boost myself ^^

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Posted: 1st Jun 2012 22:41
When I unscrew things like that some vital component usually springs to the other side of the room and disappears behind a heavy bookcase or drops down a previously invisible gap between two floorboards, etc. Or a bunch of coloured wires suddenly become detached from their connectors with no clues to their correct placement.

Actually, I might take a chance and follow your advice over the weekend. There does in fact seem to be a spare filter in the original box.

If you don't hear from me before Monday you'll know why.
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Quote: "If you don't hear from me before Monday you'll know why."


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haha sweet, I have fitted my booster faceplate and I have already noticed a difference in load times and responsiveness on my browsing... RESULT!

I did screenshot my speeds before and after but I think the after screenie needs some trial period before I judge it as my upload increased but my download decreased slightly so I shall wait a day or two and post back ater you let us knwo the result of your little adventure... and yeah I know what you mean I get that too...

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2012 15:54
Quote: "ahh, unscrew that top plate its just sitting on top of a normal socket"


Just done some checking. It isn't sitting on top of a normal socket. It's connected in two ways: a set of about 3 wires plugged into connectors on the faceplate and a standard phone extension socket outlet. The filters seem to be part of the faceplate. Since I don't know what the wires are doing or what to connect them to, I'm going to leave well alone and let the engineer deal with it. I'll just have to be patient.
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Posted: 2nd Jun 2012 16:01
Hehe... Seems like some oooooold stuff from BT I would request they give you a new faceplate thereby if it kicks backup to speed you wont be billed at all... Good luck !

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Posted: 2nd Jun 2012 17:01
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Posted: 4th Jun 2012 02:18
Unexpected development today.

I realised I hadn't updated one of my copies of TuneUp Utilities and also hadn't installed it on my wife's laptop. Having installed, updated and run the latest version on all three machines (no idea why it wasn't on the main machine since I had the required exe file on it ) I noticed that web pages seemed to be loading more quickly. I've done a few tests since this evening and most things seem to be downloading at an acceptable speed. For example, the Tree Party demo download now takes less than 4 minutes whereas it was taking anything from 30 to 90 minutes a day or two ago.

Unfortunately I didn't do any tests immediately before messing about with TuneUp so I can't be certain that was the cause - in other words BT might have done something useful over the weekend.

Is it possible that a failure to upgrade TuneUp on my main machine could the cause?

Anyway, so far everything seems fine and browsing/downloading/email etc is faster than it's been for some months. I won't cancel the BT visit quite yet though just in case it's a temporary fluke.

Perhaps hardly anyone is using the Internet at the moment.
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Posted: 8th Jun 2012 15:13
Quote: "Unexpected development today."


Well that good news lasted about 4 days. We're back to long tedious downloads again - uploads still seem fine though.

Looks like I'll have to wait to see what the BT engineer says on Monday after all.
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Posted: 9th Jun 2012 01:58
did you try asking for a static IP and if you already had one a reconnect?

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Posted: 9th Jun 2012 12:58
Since yesterday I've also been experiencing a similar issue to yours. My ISP is also BT, and my ping in online games has been going up really high and then going back down again. And the worst of all:
Youtube videos don't buffer at all. When I start to watch it, it buffers for like 5 seconds, then only plays 2 seconds of the video and goes into an infinite buffer loop.

This isn't the first time I've had internet issues with BT, but this is particularly strange as it mostly affects youtube. :S

Sorry to hijack your thread.


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