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Geek Culture / Alan Turing's 100th Birthday - Google Doodle

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nonZero
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2012 11:15 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2012 11:20
Well, I admit, I don't know many (any) famous people's birthdays (including Turing's) coz I don't really celebrate birthdays often (I often forget friend's birthdays too, lol). Anyhow, I saw the Google Doodle today and I just had to share it with you! Go to Google's home page and have a look for yourselves

[EDIT] SPOILER WARNING: Attached a preview of my "game in progress" from a few minutes ago. I'm not going to embed the image as it's a spoiler.[/EDIT]

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MrValentine
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2012 11:37
hahahaha that was fun, I live near to Alan Turing Way its a loooong road lol

it took a minute to figure out what was going on but a little sound would have been helpful...

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2012 11:39
if you are feeling frisky try http://www.baidu.com/

click a boat and hit the drum above like crazy

its for the Chinese Dragon Boat Festival

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2012 12:59
Quote: "click a boat and hit the drum above like crazy"

Reminds me of the torture part in Metal Gear Solid where you have to mash the "O" button.

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Quote: " Reminds me of the torture part in Metal Gear Solid where you have to mash the "O" button."


DUDE

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2012 15:26
Awesome. Well happy birthday Alan Turing, shame he's not here to celebrate it, but he's definitely a historical figure to celebrate, so yay Alan!

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2012 21:41
That's a really nice little game. I'm glad Google do this sort of thing because I know nothing about Alan Turing. I didn't know he was English, gay or one of the Enigma code-breakers.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2012 22:48
He was quite the genius. Very influential in the development in computer science too, so I guess really, without him we probably wouldn't be spending hours a day pointlessly surfing the web. His contribution to the war was pretty significant with the enigma code. And obviously, there's the Turing test.

How he was treated in the end was disgusting, especially with his achievements and contributions to society. Also, 2012 has been dubbed 'The Alan Turing year', there's supposed to be all sorts of Alan Turing related stuff going on, though I don't actually know a lot about it.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2012 23:57
The scary thing is that only 1 person I know in my country actually knew who Turing was.
As to how he was treated (that I only found out today), it's no less than you'd expect from a society like ours. Sure we've come a long way but we still have a lot further to go.

Here's to Turing

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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 00:57
Never heard of him until I stumbled upon a "science magazine" with a 4 pager regarding him, very interesting read..


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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 02:26
How can you guys not hear about Turing? He has been a major player in computers, and even in computer games in a way. Mainly because a lot of AI systems are based on a Turing Test. And Enigma, how have you not heard of his work on the Enigma machine?

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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 04:14
Sometimes people who might seem famous to you are not famous to others.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 04:29 Edited at: 24th Jun 2012 04:30
Like when Dio died a friend said 'who?'. I know this person only really listened to mainstream metal, but I thought at the very least she'd know who Dio was.

Ah well, I guess one can be oblivious or never encounter info on these people, but it's good to edumacate people it seems. To be fair, Turing's only one of a small number of 'big' influences I can name in the computing world. I figured Turing would be one of these guys typically known amongst geeks, kinda like Tesla is (and then somebody says 'who?').

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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 14:11 Edited at: 24th Jun 2012 14:12
Well nobody asks who Einstein is, and I put Turing in the Einstein camp with Da Vinci, and Newton.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 14:22
Quote: "Well nobody asks who Einstein is"

Oh rly? I have encountered...er...life forms that seem human...who knew nothing about Einstein other than "he was some scientist"... I know, pretty scary right?

Still I spose everybody lives in their own "sphere". For example, I still don't know which city/state the Red So[x|cks] represent. I literally don't know who won the World Cup soccer (think it was soccer) that was hosted in my country. From that POV, I'm an ignorant sod. That leaves me no room to criticize others.

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Quote: "Still I spose everybody lives in their own "sphere". For example, I still don't know which city/state the Red So[x|cks] represent. I literally don't know who won the World Cup soccer (think it was soccer) that was hosted in my country. From that POV, I'm an ignorant sod. That leaves me no room to criticize others."


This is a computer games site, and Turing is a major part of computer history that also flows into computer games. Solving puzzles, and AI. It would be akin to be a soccer player, and not knowing the big soccer star names. So you have to add that to your examples.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 15:33
Quote: "This is a computer games site, and Turing is a major part of computer history that also flows into computer games. Solving puzzles, and AI. It would be akin to be a soccer player, and not knowing the big soccer star names. So you have to add that to your examples."


And yet I expected somebody who listens to metal to know who Ronnie James Dio is, I guess sometimes you can be surprised as to what people don't know.

I think this would be akin to a soccer player not knowing who one of the biggest soccer players in the 40s/50s is, which I suppose is kinda likely. Besides, unlike soccer players, computer geeks don't get celebrity status, well I guess with the exception of Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

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Quote: "This is a computer games site..."

Yes, a computer games site, not a computer science site. The Turing test is the only thing remotely connected to anything we do on here and even that is scarcely relevant. I find your attitude a tad spiteful, can't you be glad that people are learning about Turing without scolding them for their ignorance?
I once made fun of someone I played football with for not knowing who Johann Cruyff was, later I felt like an ass for doing so.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 18:40
I'm not scolding, I'm showing surprise. But in words surprise doesn't come across.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 19:47 Edited at: 24th Jun 2012 19:48
Quote: "Yes, a computer games site, not a computer science site. The Turing test is the only thing remotely connected to anything we do on here and even that is scarcely relevant"


The turing test isn't what Alan Turing is famous for.

Alan Turing created the mathematical model of a computer called the Turing Machine.
The little "game" you played on the google doodle is a Turing machine.

And yes, it is relevant to a games creator. If you want to take the step from becoming a "coder/programmer" to a "software engineer", you need to know this stuff.
I suggest reading up on Automata theory, it really is very interesting.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 20:20 Edited at: 24th Jun 2012 20:20
Just because of Pincho I asked sixteen different people (seven of them were extreme nerds to be fair) I personally know and literally not a single one of them knew who Alan Turing was. One of them said, "I saw the name on Google with some numbers but I didn't know what was happening." I had never heard of him until now either.

Quote: "But in words surprise doesn't come across."

Put it in words that surprise will come across then Didn't we already have a talk like this already? lol.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 20:57 Edited at: 24th Jun 2012 20:59
I don't expect people to think that I am scolding them, it isn't in my nature. I don't swear, I don't scold. I think a lot about things, how people work. What I expect them to know about is things similar to what they do. I find it surprising if they don't.

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Posted: 24th Jun 2012 23:09
Quote: "This is a computer games site, and Turing is a major part of computer history that also flows into computer games. Solving puzzles, and AI. It would be akin to be a soccer player, and not knowing the big soccer star names. So you have to add that to your examples."

For what it's worth, I thought you made a very good and valid point there. The reason I say I wouldn't judge people on ignorance is because my country is rife with it (well, amongst my generation and the current one at least. I was the only person in my Grade 9 history class who had even heard of Stalin). So I got used to it long ago. Also, I learned to listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant because they too have their stories (I'm gonna pretend those last words are my own).

Quote: "I don't expect people to think that I am scolding them,"

Again, for what it's worth, I never thought you were scolding them. I get where you were coming from but I suppose it's different for those "on trial". Sorta like if someone started talking about how they couldn't believe that some people never watched the news and I was in the room. Whether they meant it offensively or not, I'd feel a little defensive nonetheless. Okay, I wouldn't act on it now but that's only because life gave me quite a few beatings (I tend to learn the hard way).

Guess what I'm saying is well, I get where both sides - no not really "sides" but I can't think of the word now - are coming from.

Man I'm really too verbose (and this is my post after whittling it down by 50%).

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I think it's more sad that people don't know who John Von Neumann is. The word 'genius' is flung around a lot but he certainly deserved the title

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Posted: 25th Jun 2012 20:27
Quote: "Well nobody asks who Einstein is, and I put Turing in the Einstein camp with Da Vinci, and Newton."


you see, all of those i have heard from - SCHOOL. Turing, I didnt hear about from school.


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Posted: 25th Jun 2012 21:14
Quote: "Turing, I didnt hear about from school."

Me neither. I found out about him (and many other influential figures) outside of school. I think the education system is biased. Furthermore I think they deliberately teach us "select" pieces of history, based not on relevance but on convenience. Maybe it's just me but I always felt like school was trying to "shape" me. I think the subject matter of a gay guy being one of the deciding factors in the war and his country persecuting him paints a bad picture of the Allies.
I also think maybe its tough for a government to put something in the curriculum that may offend religious groups *sighs*.

We live in a very censored world... Or maybe I'm just paranoid...

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Posted: 25th Jun 2012 22:05
Quote: "I think it's more sad that people don't know who John Von Neumann is. The word 'genius' is flung around a lot but he certainly deserved the title"


I didn't, but I just looked him up and wow, I am impressed. My knowledge of mathematics is fairly basic, so some of the stuff goes over my head, but it sounds like the man has achieved a lot in his lifetime. I suspect there are many people out there who deserve to have their names known simply aren't. There's a lot of historical figures we learn in school, but there's still many missing, I'd hope that Turing and Neumann would appear in any courses to do with mathematics or computer science and in the case of Neumann some other fields of science.

The good thing is, these people aren't completely forgotten and their lives live inside of books and other documents ready for somebody interested to pick up, read and breathe life into what they've said and done. Ideally its people like him and other who possess great talent and intellect that should be the real celebrities, like learn the latest developments in quantum mechanics instead of who's pregnant this week and which celebrity has put on weight? But then it's not a geek's world.


Also, I didn't learn about Turing as school either, but I did hear about him outside. I can't remember when I first encountered him, but I was reminded of him this year because of the Turing year and I learned about what happened to him (of which I was previously unaware).

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Posted: 25th Jun 2012 22:23
Quote: "Ideally its people like him and other who possess great talent and intellect that should be the real celebrities, like learn the latest developments in quantum mechanics instead of who's pregnant this week and which celebrity has put on weight? But then it's not a geek's world."


In the long run it probably is. Who remembers which celebrities were pregnant this week in June 1953? Such things fade quickly but geniuses don't - because there's always someone who thinks they are worth remembering even if they are only a minority.

I'm not sure when I first heard of Turing. It was probably about 30 years ago when I read a book on Computer Science (that wasn't my field by the way) and it mentioned the Turing Machine. I'm just as baffled now as I was then about the true significance of that idea but, like with Einstein's theory of relativity, I'm happy to believe the assessment of others who say they do understand it.

Anyway which celebrities are pregnant this week? I don't know.
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Posted: 25th Jun 2012 22:45
Good point. I'm sure the names of some celebrities will live on for longer than most and will no doubt be recorded for anybody studying the culture of our time, but beyond that, I doubt much will survive.

Quote: "Anyway which celebrities are pregnant this week? I don't know."


I did see one when I was perusing news sites today, but I forgot who, but then I don't care.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2012 22:55
Quote: ""Anyway which celebrities are pregnant this week? I don't know.""

This is funny because I actually do know a few. Lol.

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Posted: 25th Jun 2012 23:14
I first heard of Turing in about 1990. It was a program I think Horizon. It had a tickertape machine made of brass feeding information one way, and back again. It was to suggest that machines could have an intelligence based on the hole being memory storage, and the test of the hole being shared information.

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Also, he was gay and chemically castrated. To achieve what he did, in his relatively short and turbulent time on earth, is amazing. Heck, to achieve it in a full lifetime is amazing.

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