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Geek Culture / Oculus Rift VR Kit

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Quik
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 01:07
Depending on the object, I know the one I used to look at, could for one, just make half a 3d printer itself, AND the materials were REALLLY expensive, and I mean REALLY expensive, as in, I would both save myself time, and possibly money, by driving to town and get the darn thing.



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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 09:34 Edited at: 20th Aug 2012 09:35
Quote: "Well, if technology were to go too far - economy would break. We wouldnt NEED to buy new stuff now would we, if nothing ever broke?"

No no no no no no no no no no. Simply no. People don't only buy new things because something breaks. People buy new things because they want the next best thing. Take phones for example... They keep getting better and better so people trash the old and in with the new.
Regardless of how far technology keeps getting pushed, it will only keep getting pushed. There isn't going to be a day where everything is technologically maxed out. Things are only going to keep getting better.

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Quik
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 10:04
Quote: "People buy new things because they want the next best thing. Take phones for example... They keep getting better and better so people trash the old and in with the new."


Most people I know only buys new phones when either the phone breaks, or after 5 years.



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Isocadia
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 10:51
Here in Holland it's 2 years, that's usually when your subscription ends and when getting a new one a new phone always comes with it. Also, even when people can print all the components they want, that still doesn't mean people stop buying the complete products. You can currently buy all the pieces of a car, but how many people actually do that and build a car themselves? Not alot, because the mass production of an object makes the individual object cheaper, therefor people would still buy mass producted parts in store, because making them at home is more expensive OR they lack the skill.
Aaron Miller
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 11:01
I know people who only buy things once they're fed up with what they currently have. For example, I have a friend who went through three Android devices, two iPhones, several "imitation smart phones" (dumb-phones in disguise), and a Palm Pre. (He went through the Palm Pre because he was driving down the freeway and was arguing with his girlfriend over the phone, so he threw it out the window... )

I also know people who simply buy new things just because they want new things. In my experience, these people have enough money to not worry about that.

Regardless, your personal experience doesn't matter. What you have seen (even if it's "most people you know") is a small fraction of the market. More importantly, it's likely to only be the fraction of the market that targets your niche portion. It's unlikely that you, no matter who you are, represent the statistically average consumer for these sorts of things. Making broad statements like "People do this because of that," particularly when it comes to economical things, is more than likely incorrect if it's an assumption made from personal experience.

It's my opinion that it may be easiest (in terms of independent original research) to analyze how high or low the stock value of a company has traveled in correlation to a new product launch or launches. Considering companies still make money from new products (especially Apple!) it's a safe assumption that "people" do indeed buy things because they want new things. But it's not just one class of people. It's niche groups, and it's circumstances, and it's partly the "average consumer" (if there's such a thing). Well anyway, that's just my rationale on this.

Anyone disagree?

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 11:38
People buy a new product that has evolved from the old technology. The ZX81, Sinclair Spectrum, C64, Amiga, Megadrive, PS1, PS2, PS3. All evolved. What is happening now is that people are happy at the level of the PS3, and not so interested in the PS4. These VR goggles evolve the technology, and so people are interested in them. The next thing to improve is speed. We all want more speed, and more memory, and bigger Hard drives. But we are getting close to a limit of acceptable quality. Next we will want the Start Trek Holodeck.

This is happening with Blu Ray as well. And phones are reaching a stage where the camera becomes more important than the phone.

Pushing technology ever further is getting hard to achieve.

Fluffy Rabbit
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 12:00
People, people, how does any of this even matter? First of all, this is way off topic. Secondly, the holodeck in Star Trek: The Next Generation can produce fully assembled anything, making society a post-economic utopia. On the other hand, current 3D printers suck and could never do what a replicator can do.
Aaron Miller
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 12:04
Quote: "First of all, this is way off topic."

Quote: "On the other hand, current 3D printers suck and could never do what a replicator can do."



Fluffy Rabbit
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 13:01
@Aaron-

Is this conversation about the near future or the not-so-near future?
CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 05:13
The 3D printer in the home idea wouldn't work

Semi-conductors, integrated circuits, varying metals. All that stuff would require massive variations in heat level as it printed. It would either take forever, cost a lot of money to use and burn a lot of electricity, or will simply not be taken up.
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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 09:00
Quote: "Semi-conductors, integrated circuits, varying metals. All that stuff would require massive variations in heat level as it printed. It would either take forever, cost a lot of money to use and burn a lot of electricity, or will simply not be taken up. "


nantochnology?


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Van B
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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 11:08
Aromatherapy?

There was a post on Facebook not so long ago, about how this guy had released plans for a gun housing as a 3D printer file, so people can supposedly print out their own 'gun'. It's rediculous, how lofty some peoples expectations can be with just some simple melted plastic and a 30+ year old design. You can make anything you want with a 3D printer, just so long as you forgoe any engineering requirements. There's a reason why guns tend to be milled from a block of metal, there's a reason why semiconductors use photolithography... I think they call it 'Fit For Purpose', and domestic 3D printers are only good at making plastic doo-dads. Having one of my own would be insanely cool, but I'm thinking more for hardware mods and little projects like that, Ben Heck style.

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Fluffy Rabbit
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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 15:09 Edited at: 21st Aug 2012 15:09
The replicator in Star Trek can make anything with molecular precision. THAT will be the common home-grade printer 150 years from now.
CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 16:21
Quote: "nantochnology?"


And you can see this being a feasible, cheaper alternative?

Any such printer utilising that much nanotech would have simply staggering costs, even in a decade's time. Whereas the tech you'd be aiming to create would be stupendously cheap by then.
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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 22:22
guys comon this is the FUTURE i am talking about theyll figure out how to cheap affordable nantoech 3d printers in the future


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CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 22nd Aug 2012 04:46
But we'll have smart-eyes by then!

We'll have perfected prosthetic augments long before nanotech printers, and those will be difficult to replace.
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Posted: 22nd Aug 2012 06:04
@ coffeegrunt

Toche...


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CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 22nd Aug 2012 17:29
Don't get me wrong, a nanotech printer would be unbelievable levels of cool.

In an industrial use for specialist prototype manufacture, I can see it. I can't see it becoming a household staple alongside a TV and XBox, though.

I mean, you could manufacture spare parts if your TV broke down, awesome. Most people lack any form of technical knowledge required to put that part in the TV, though. :/

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