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Geek Culture / Should I throw a relase party for Operation Defuse?

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Slayer267
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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 08:41
Okay so this is our first commercial game. We were wondering if we should throw a release party for it.

We have a place to do so.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 09:07
No

Words cannot describe my Greatness... But I'll give it a shot.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 09:16 Edited at: 15th Aug 2012 09:19
Do it if it'll be fun and won't damage your funds more than what the party is worth to you.

EDIT: I'll elaborate a bit more on my answer. This is something you either want to do, or don't. If you want to do it, then do it. If you don't want to do it, then don't. If you're not sure then evaluate how hard it actually was to create the game. If it wasn't that difficult, then it'd be kind of like celebrating that you've used the toilet/loo. Also, make sure you won't embarrass yourself by throwing a party that nobody goes to.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 09:36
You've given us absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I assume it's for the game in your banner, yet your banner isn't clickable. The WEB button below your profile isn't formatted correctly. More details? Don't assume that everyone knows you and your games.


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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 09:47
You might wanna wait to when/if your game ever gets popular, or any significant amount of recognition. That's when you throw the party. I think it would be mighty embarrassing to throw a party for a failure of a game.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 09:54
http://www.carnageproduct.com/operation-defuse

Above
Took me 1.5 years

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 09:59
If you took 1.5 years to make a game, and it's actually finished, and you have friends that are physically able to come to a party, and give a hoot about games, or your game...then sure. Have a few beers.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 10:53
I have been working on Dark Survival 2 for over two years and it's nowhere close to being done. How many people do you have on your development team?
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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 12:19
How many people would attend said party?
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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 13:09
I just played the demo.

I have some questions:

1. You say this is a commercial title. Who is publishing this game or is it just that you are selling it through your website?

2. The demo is indicative of the 1.5 years spent making the game? Or is it a very old demo?

3. I thought you fired all your staff, who helped finish the game?

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@Thraxas-

1. I bet he's publishing it through an online distributor, which is something I'd like to do. Sending CDs would be a biproduct of such a system, either through some kind of self-publishing service or just doing it himself.

2. I haven't played it, because it doesn't sound very interesting to me, but that sounds kind of mean.

3. Oooh...
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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 15:41
The question is between you are your friends, not applicable to a forum. The big games like Limbo, the creators want to draw attention to their games, so a party is publicity. But games like Limbo are rare. If you came up with a highly publicised game sure throw a party that is public. But your game has had no publicity, so the party is off the radar.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 17:22
Quote: " Should I throw a relase party for Operation Defuse?"


Depends. Do you want one? And can you get the guests to come along?

Dunno, what would be more sensible, party on release? Or party after so many copies sold? I think the latter would be more exciting, but to each his own.

However, I doubt it's likely for the rest of us to come along, so I don't think we're the best people to answer that question.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 18:25
I'll download the demo and give it a whack. I've never played an FPSC game before, really.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 18:55
Well if you want to, but why ask us if no one here can attend

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Slayer267
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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 19:11
Quote: "I have been working on Dark Survival 2 for over two years and it's nowhere close to being done. How many people do you have on your development team? "


5 now.


Quote: "How many people would attend said party? "


According to facebook alot of people would.

Quote: "I have some questions:

1. You say this is a commercial title. Who is publishing this game or is it just that you are selling it through your website?

2. The demo is indicative of the 1.5 years spent making the game? Or is it a very old demo?

3. I thought you fired all your staff, who helped finish the game?
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1 - Carnage Productions (Us) We will be selling through the site and you can get a CD and case from me.

2 - Its an old demo. Full game is ALOT better.

3 - I did, then I got new staff.

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Depends. Do you want one? And can you get the guests to come along?"


I would like to have one, it would publicize it game quite a bit. I actually did go on the news for it.
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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 19:13
Quote: "I actually did go on the news for it."

Really

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Slayer267
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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 19:14
Quote: "Quote: "I actually did go on the news for it."
Really"


Yes
But im not sure if I can actually post a link because im under 18...

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 19:21
Well thats cool. I would like to see it but im not sure if you could post it.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 19:24
Quote: "I actually did go on the news for it."

Well, what kind of news are you talking about?

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 19:33
See what I mean about the forums being mean? (in another thread)

I think a release party is an awesome idea! Just remember to keep your expenses in check. You're a small fry compared to other companies, don't go breaking the bank on a party, it's very unlikely you'll recoup any money from it. It's more of a party for you and your crew, not for publicity.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 19:45
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I would like to have one, it would publicize it game quite a bit. I actually did go on the news for it."


Then enjoy having one. If you've got enough people attending (as you say your Facebook suggests) then hope you have a good time. It probably goes without saying to not over do it, but it's not as if you'll be getting drunk or anything.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 19:56
You may wanna make a different, newer demo. The current one is really buggy, bad, and WILL hurt your sales.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 21:04
Quote: "2 - Its an old demo. Full game is ALOT better."


This doesnt help me with the purchase at all - as the demo should help me buy the game, and knowing it's a lot better doesnt tell me WHAT ITS ACTUALLY LIKE?



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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 21:26 Edited at: 15th Aug 2012 21:27
Not tried it yet, but I think that's a fair point. The demo should represent the current quality of game. If I'm playing a demo I am using that to judge the game, simply because I play a demo to see what the game is like. If they demo doesn't do it for me, I don't spend my money. Okay, I might take a punt if the game is dirt cheap, but even then, if I've tried to demo, generally I think that's what the game is going to be like.

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Quote: "
Description - As a seal member in a world of betrayal, you must collect Intel and protect oil that the United States is hogging. As you battle through the London subways, you meet a Russian Super Spy that claims that he did your work for you. But as it turns out. He did something wrong and now you have a meeting with the president... You better hope this isn't anything serious.
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That description is a garbled mess...

What is a "seal member"?

"collect Intel" - The company? If you mean "intelligence" there should be no capitalisation and writing the full word looks better. What's the process of gathering this intel? Is it just a collectible or is it actual information that can be used to our advantage?

"Protect oil that the United States is hogging" - Are we protecting a natural oil source; a contract; oil barrels that might be stolen? "Hogging" is too informal for the genre you're trying to portray. What exactly are they "hogging": same issue as before. The US is not an entity, it can't "hog" anything, if you mean the US Government then it's best to clarify that. (It's always good to use words like "Government" that evoke thoughts of corruption, clandestine organization and empiricism.)

"as you battle through the London Subways" - It's more commonly known as the London Underground. How are we battling through a railway network? Why are we in London if we're protecting oil for the US?

"you meet a Russian Super Spy that claims that he did your work for you." - He can't be a very "super" spy if we've revealed his identity just after meeting him. Why are we meeting him? Is he on our side? How does he fit into this? Who is he? This seems like it might be an important plot point so I don't know why you have revealed it in the description.

"He did something wrong" - Did he lie to his mother? Did he have sex with a badger? What did he do wrong? How important is his mistake? It doesn't sound very important the way you describe it.

"you have a meeting with the president... You better hope this isn't anything serious." - "President" should be capitalised. Is this a secret meeting? Why does the President want to see us? Who are we!? Is this connected to the Russian Spy? Does this even have anything to do with the rest of the story or is this a new plot point? Why are we hoping it's not serious? We seem to know what the Russian is doing so why are we suddenly in the dark about what the President wants from us?


Now onto the feature list...
Feature lists are awful things at the best of times but yours manages to be particularly bad. For a start you'd do better to put this information in a table instead of having the version in brackets after every feature; or at least separate them into demo and full versions, repeating text is okay if it adds clarity and reduces mess.

Quote: "Intelligent AI (Full Version and Demo)
Good level Design (Full Version and Demo)"

These are both subjective and don't tell us anything.

Quote: "Lighting (Full Version and Demo)
Water (Full Version)"

These again tell us nothing.

Quote: "Iron Sights(Full Version and Demo)"

I don't know why people list this as a feature, I can't imagine it making a difference when deciding whether to buy a game or not. I can't really shout at you for it though seeing as everyone else does it.

Quote: "AC-130 (Full Version)"

I have no idea what that is.

Quote: "Multi-Player (Full Version)
MP=Multiplayer"

Why is this on the list twice and why do you use an acronym if it needs to be immediately explained? Don't use acronyms if you can avoid it. What game modes are available for multi-player? Can I play it online or only locally?

Quote: "Zombie Mode (Full Version)"

What is this zombie mode? Are we a zombie? Do we kill zombies? To we find a cure for their infection?

Quote: "24 Levels (Full Version)"

This is okay but it would help to know how big the levels are and/or roughly how long they take to pay through.

Quote: "Downloadable Maps (Full Version)"

Why are these extra maps not in the game on release? Do I miss out on vital parts of the game if I don't have these maps? Do I have to pay extra for them? Will you be making more maps after release?


Nowhere in the description or features do you give any explanation of the game-play. The only indication that this involves guns is the iron-sights feature. How much of the game involves gun fights? Are there puzzle elements? What do we actually do in the game?


I'll have to give this a try now that I've torn this to shreds. You might have a great game here but you are doing a terrible job of introducing it.

Shh... you're pretty.
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Quote: "But im not sure if I can actually post a link because im under 18..."


Now that doesn't even matter since you've told us how old you are.

I think we should write messages with signatures.
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OBese87, you probably could've said all that a bit better. Regardless, it's true and I had the same thoughts reading the description.

Slayer267, "alot" isn't a word. There needs to be a space between "a" and "lot." Anyway, good luck on your game. Kudos on making the news and having an apparently decent following on Facebook. Congrats on finishing your project.

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 22:27
Quote: "Now that doesn't even matter since you've told us how old you are."

Funny how that just appeared in this thread.

and good luck Slayer267!

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Posted: 15th Aug 2012 22:59
Quote: "2 - Its an old demo. Full game is ALOT better."




If that's the case, you might want to consider releasing a demo that more accurately represents the final product. If the demo is a pile of crap then people will assume the full game is a pile of crap too. I realise others have said this but it cannot be stressed enough.



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Posted: 16th Aug 2012 01:14
okay ill release a better demo when i have it ready.

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It's as good a reason (excuse) for a party as any - I mean, why should other art forms get all the parties!

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Posted: 16th Aug 2012 01:27
Quote: "It's as good a reason (excuse) for a party as any - I mean, why should other art forms get all the parties!"




Sooooo Party it is? XD

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Fluffy Rabbit
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Posted: 16th Aug 2012 02:08
@Van B-

Actually, release parties for video games are quite common. The phrase "release party" usually applies to a game. Halo, Crysis, Half-Life 2 and just about every other high-profile modern first person shooter got a release party.

I could go on and on about this. I wanted to hold a release party for Dark Survival 2 after I had been working on it for about 7-8 months, because I actually thought it was close to being released! I had been advertising it as "Dark Resistance" for about 6 months before I started working on the actual engine. I released a trailer in August of 2010. This was a year after Brick Break released the first Dark Survival in this CComp thing, which didn't even rank in the top 10. He was devastated. After he got over it, he said that he was perfectly OK with me making a sequel. That's when I decided to change the title to Dark Survival 2.

Nine months later, I uploaded the first releasable sample of the engine. I continued working on the engine for a year until I released the most recent demo. It's sad to think that after all of this work, I won't have a release party for a long time.
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Posted: 16th Aug 2012 02:14
There's an error in the requirements that should be mentioned. I assume it requires a dual-core processor. Duel-core processors aren't very common.
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I'd say yeah, have a party. I know you've worked hard on the game and I'm sure you'd like to celebrate with your family and friends.

@OBese
Quote: "These are both subjective and don't tell us anything."

The "Good Level Design" feature is, indeed, pointless. However, "Intelligent AI" is really quite a common selling point for games these days.

Quote: " This is okay but it would help to know how big the levels are and/or roughly how long they take to pay through."

I agree, and disagree. On one hand, a lot of developers tell the consumer how long the game is, and on the other hand, a lot also say that there are "X Engaging and Gripping Missions!!!!!!" I see no problem in that.

Though, the rest of your points are absolutely valid.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2012 03:58
Party it is then.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2012 04:20
Throw a party darn it all!

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Posted: 16th Aug 2012 04:46
I will have a beer for you tonight,plus I will try the demo, downloading right now.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2012 11:09
Quote: "I will have a beer for you tonight"


Why not have one for each of his guests too?

I'll prolly give the demo a download later, though might wait until the updated version is up so I can give a fair judgment.

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Posted: 16th Aug 2012 13:16
Where shall i put the camera? XD

And it looks like party on!

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Fluffy Rabbit
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EDIT: Nope. I was a fool to belive there was a free video conferencing service.
Slayer267
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Team Viewer? Skype?

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Fluffy Rabbit
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Posted: 16th Aug 2012 14:23
@Slayer- Skype doesn't allow for group chats. Not so sure about Team Viewer. Try tinychat.com- it will allow for multiple users to chat using only Flash. Once you've set up a room, you can post the link here.
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Why not irc? There's the irc.devhat.net server! And then for video, there's ustream.

Fluffy Rabbit
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@Jerico-

Ustream doesn't offer the kind of multi-user video chat capabilities needed for a party. Imagine a release party so big that people from all around the world connected to it at the same time, talking to each other face-to-face. Not everybody on these forums can be there due to physical distance, but every effort should be made to make it happen somehow.
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Hmm, i'm not aware of any large scale p2p video chatting. If you want audio, you could setup a teamspeak server... but video? Hmm, I don't see how it could work, how could one person watch, say, 2000 independent video streams from all over the world? One to many is easily possible with something like ustream. If you want voice, that's possible with something like teamspeak. Chat? IRC was made for large chatrooms.

Also, your website copy (the text selling your product) is silly. Since when is a meeting with the president not serious!? You should have someone edit it for you, unless that's the style you want, which actually, makes it sound really fun.

Fluffy Rabbit
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Posted: 16th Aug 2012 15:09
@Jerico- No, no, I'm not talking about P2P video chatting, I'm talking about low-bandwidth server-based multi-user video chats like the site I mentioned.

And yes, when is a meeting with the president not serious?
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Google Hangout?

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