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Geek Culture / Ubisoft releases their new Uplay platform

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RAXMUX Games
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 01:16
Ubisoft is releasing their own Steam/Origin called uplay.
http://uplay.ubi.com/en-GB/
Personally I do not have a problem with it as long as you're able to buy Ubisoft products over Steam. What do you think ?

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 01:32
There are times when I am mucking around with in-game accounts etc. Where all I can think of is "Man, I wish this was all handles through my Steam account" - like in other Valve games. It makes it so much easier.
As long as I can still use Steam - I'll be happy.
Not as happy as I could have been though :p

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 01:49
If it's BETTER than the awful stuff they have now? yeah sure.



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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 12:04
Nothing will beat Steam and I don't want Steam, Origin and Uplay on my computer.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 12:06
Can't we all just stick with Steam?

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 13:35
Quote: "Can't we all just stick with Steam?"


Competition among the prices is good for the industry, but I agree, the best thing would be to have all games in one service

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 14:47
Quote: "Can't we all just stick with Steam?"


Exactly! The main reason I don't have BF3 on PC is because it's not on Steam. I don't want heaps of different programs on my computer when I could just use Steam.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 14:54 Edited at: 20th Aug 2012 14:56
I'll like it as long as I'm not forced to use it and they don't make their products exclusive to uPlay. I am happy with Steam and as long as Steam continues to make me happy, I won't move. If I have to have multiple programs installed, unless I am a fan of the particular game series then I will not be buying your game.

I think competition is healthy and I think people should pick the service that suits them best, but making stuff exclusive or forcing people to use their product in order to use the game they want to play, in my mind is a kick in the man-parts.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 16:01
Plus they always inevitably lose to Steam anyway.

It's like trying to release a new console, you're fighting an uphill struggle.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 16:05
I dunno, if I wanna play a game I'll use whatever platform it's on. If it's on multiple platforms, I'll choose the one I prefer. It's not a big deal having 3 or 4 or even more platforms, that's how it always has been.

I'd rather the company choose the best platform for them rather than them making sacrifices to the end-product.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 17:30
Went to play From Dust (Steam version) the other day and was disgusted to find that I needed a Uplay account if I wanted to play it again. Prior to this I spent an age downloading it from Steam, to launch it and find that Ubisoft included their own patcher and had to wait for another while before it had patched itself before I could play. What's the point in bundling an old version to Steam?

Not sure where to go from here; sometimes I wonder if the 'OMG, not playing [insert DRM-infested game here] until they ship it without [insert DRM-infested platform here]!' people are a bit extreme, but I think I will be boycotting Ubisoft until they release a product without trying to shove their ridiculous platform down my throat.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 17:54
Quote: "but I think I will be boycotting Ubisoft until they release a product without trying to shove their ridiculous platform down my throat."


I hear that! I know all sorts of people pirating is the best way to 'protest' against a product they don't like, but I've always felt that it sends out the wrong message...and is probably just a made up excuse anyway. I think I'll be quoting Jeku here, but "speak with your wallet" rings true.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 18:35
If you want to stick with Steam then do so, and most people will, but if we get a better platform than Steam then why suppress that?

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 19:02
I don't want to surpress it, I just won't play any games that force me to use it. If it works out being superior to Steam and makes it worth the switch, I'll switch. For me, it's use one or the other, not use both, because that's just a waste. But I don't want a system for buying games that requires me to have several different tools downloaded. I'd rather just have the one and stick to it. If any games require me to install uPlay, Games for Windows Live or origin or any future alternatives, then I will boycott those games, unless I desperately want that game. Assassin's Creed III for example (a Ubisoft game) should to my mind be available on UPlay and Steam, if it isn't, then it's a case of Ubisoft forcing people to use their software, rather than users choose what's best. By all means, include an advertisement and heck, even an installer and convince people UPlay is better. But I think it'd be an unfair move should they make it a requirement, like it is with Valve games (which by similar right, I'd hope to see sold elsewhere with the option to not use Steam). To be honest, I don't think PC gamers like being messed around as it is.

If, however, I am using UPlay anyway and if for some reason I deemed it better than Steam, then I wouldn't boycott, because it'd make no difference to me as I'd already have UPlay installed.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 20:08
Quote: "Competition among the prices is good for the industry, but I agree, the best thing would be to have all games in one service"


Gamersgate doesnt have a thingy u have to run now does it?

Quote: "It's not a big deal having 3 or 4 or even more platforms, that's how it always has been."


I think it's annoying having 4 different accounts for that..



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The Wilderbeast
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 20:11
Quote: "Assassin's Creed III for example (a Ubisoft game) should to my mind be available on UPlay and Steam, if it isn't, then it's a case of Ubisoft forcing people to use their software, rather than users choose what's best."

To my knowledge most, if not all, Ubisoft games on Steam are bundled with and require Uplay to work.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 20:13
AC: Revelations is on steam - you start the game from steam, and Uplay starts up, you log in there and then hit play - BAM game is up~~



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The Wilderbeast
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 20:46
Yep - but it requires that you have a Uplay account - No thanks!

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 21:31
I don't really like any of the games coming from Ubisoft.

My main issue with the multiple platforms is multiple accounts, and the time it takes to actually set up the accounts for each. I like the idea of "OpenID" for gaming platforms.

Also, I'd prefer if I could just install the game without requiring Steam as well. That's not usually the case. I do like that if I should lose my disc(s) I could just download again from Steam. I like that aspect.

But still, what happened to the good old days when you just stuck a cartridge in the Nintendo or a disc in the PlayStation and it all just worked? Now we have to deal with installs, and managing accounts, and using passwords, and setting up the console with some "Super Awesome Gamer Account" just to play. If anything's killing the industry, it's that.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 21:59
Quote: "Also, I'd prefer if I could just install the game without requiring Steam as well."


What i like about steam is... it's a library - all my games are there, installed or not. If I wish to install them, i just go there - download it and play.

I own cds to maybe.. 3-4 games on steam - out of 153



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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 22:16
I like the concept of Steam and I think in order to play a game, it should be optional and the same for other platforms. If the developer wants the security on a game disk, I think it would be more desirable to see options: "Install to UPlay", "Install to Steam" etc. but for the installs for the other platforms to be invalid if you've already registered it (to avoid abuse). Having them bind to your account is useful in some respects, you've always got a copy (like my Civilization V, HL2 and The Last Remnant), but at the same time, I think it has a set back in that it relies on that platform. Should the creators of that platform go bankrupt or cease usage of that platform or should you shut down your account or have it blocked/banned for whatever reason or even you wish to sell the game or give it to a friend, you're limited. None of my 360 games give me that kind of limitation, but some of my PC ones do. Though, if unofficial (or official) patches were released to deal with it, then in theory, that's the problem solved.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 22:50
I think anti-piracy has gone way too far. I don't use Steam, but I think that those who do would appreciate the latest games being available on their service. At the same time, one should be able to download a game directly off of a developer's website using Paypal or something, as well as being able to buy the game on CD.

Forcing a game to use an online DRM service is sending the wrong message. Instead of saying "don't pirate me", it's saying "don't you DARE copy me". I say, make the process of backing up your games as painless as possible so that buyers get a sense of ownership, which is a much better feeling than being a guest to an online service.
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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 23:30
It's not like their anti-piracy stuff does anything. It all gets cracked eventually. Don't sell to pirates.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2012 23:42
Quote: "Gamersgate doesnt have a thingy u have to run now does it? "


Lol, didn't think think about that

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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 00:23
Quote: "It's not like their anti-piracy stuff does anything. It all gets cracked eventually."


It all gets cracked the same day it releases*



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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 00:31
Ha! I don't know if that's true or not, but it sounds fairly accurate.

IMO, implementing all of the DRM stuff is unnecessary. Just do a simple serial code check (validated online). The online agent can then send back a key to use to decrypt the content to be installed. It's simple to crack that, but it's also simple to implement. Since games are getting cracked so fast anyway, why spend extra money on it than the basic installer stuff? It doesn't help, and it keeps those "out of the know" from easily "sharing" their game.

I think even the system I proposed is too much, but it's more realistic than just pure CD/DVD/BD distributions.

Oh, and on the topic of game libraries, I do agree with having the ability to store all your games in a library... But I'm paranoid I could get locked out because someone accidentally flags my account. I've heard stories of that happening before. (Though, not on Steam.)

I do like Steam though.

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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 00:48
@Aaron-

Why not buy a game on CD and get a code that lets you download copies of it? That way, there's no DRM, there's no way to lose it, and you have a copy of it wherever you want.
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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 00:57
Quote: "there's no way to lose it"

Sometimes their sites go down. Having a central site that's continuously "funded by different sources" (like Valve with Steam) is less likely to go down than the individual game studio's site. At least, that's my opinion anyway.

I like your idea as well though. I think that should be done as well.

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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 01:22
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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 01:42
@Aaron-

Yeah, I'm also saying that when you buy a game on CD, it shouldn't need Steam, but it should give you a code to have the game on Steam as well. Valve would probably agree to this if developers paid them a little to host their games.
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Posted: 21st Aug 2012 02:02
RAXMUX Games, +1 for the video.

Fluffy Rabbit, I agree. I'd like to see that as well.

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